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I've come to prefer the oligarchical control of the political party duopoly because I am never without a scapegoat to be angry at and I don't need to see my own views challenged by the messiness of the real world.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Contests between oligarchs who don't give a drat what you think. May as well give up then I guess. The oligarchy thanks you for your lack of participation. I'm not equating you to them, but you know who else says the exact same thing? Alex Jones listeners and Trumpists. They genuinely believe that the government is a lost cause and it's rigged and they mostly don't vote. I genuinely believe that a democracy can only be strong and equitable through large scale buy-in and participation.
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:i'm simply trying to suppress voter turnout amongst the politically aware class who would post about it on forums, who are more likely to make informed choices and not vote against their own interest and elect oligarchs who seek only to further dismantle the democratic system. as i am a paid deep state agent (gbs ik) I see.
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redshirt posted:They care when they don't get elected, don't they? Not really. Then they can devote all their time to making money on corporate boards or lobbying. Tarkus posted:May as well give up then I guess. The oligarchy thanks you for your lack of participation. Oh, I don't think you should give up; far from it. I just think hope in electoralism is misplaced.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Not really. Then they can devote all their time to making money on corporate boards or lobbying. So then, how do we implement change?
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redshirt posted:So then, how do we implement change? I think change starts at the local level with independent organizations.
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redshirt posted:So then, how do we implement change? Violent revolution
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I think change starts at the local level with independent organizations. Like? Please detail your non voting system of representation.
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Saalkin posted:Violent revolution Getting about that time I do say, yes sir.
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redshirt posted:Like? Please detail your non voting system of representation. We don't have representation even with voting, but it depends on your area: DSA, local charity organizations, etc.
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american democracy is basically a lost cause and there is no salvaging it. it's too far gone
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:We don't have representation even with voting, but it depends on your area: DSA, local charity organizations, etc. I just wish I could crawl into your head and harvest all that innocence. And then NOT sell it for a huge mark up.
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I have issues with the DSA myself but they often do good work on housing in local areas.redshirt posted:I just wish I could crawl into your head and harvest all that innocence. And then NOT sell it for a huge mark up. I've been accused of many things...."innocence" is a new one. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Saalkin posted:Violent revolution I hear a lot of people say that and I'm not sure if you're joking but I don't think that the left would be in a favorable position in the event of a revolution.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I have issues with the DSA myself but they often do good work on housing in local areas. Where do you live?
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Saalkin posted:Violent revolution Nine times out of ten, violent revolution makes things significantly worse for everyone involved. Especially when you have absolutely zero plan beyond "Kill the people I hate, then everyone will magically be a paradise of equality"
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:american democracy is basically a lost cause and there is no salvaging it. it's too far gone that's ok, we'll have a few years of the zuck/musk/bezos triumvirate before zuck emerges as the augustus he was born to be and leads the USA to centuries of glorious empire i'm psyched for it, can't believe i'll live to see it happen. millennials are truly the most blessed generation to live in such pivotal times.
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Why are there no dedicated french fry stores in the US? Could have them at the beach. At the Fair. In the Country. In the City.
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we have a restaurant here called new york fries and they charge like $25 for a poutine lol
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Ugh no I'm sorry, I didn't mean for this to become another argument about electoralism itself. Just that I hate how Internet Leftists have made it a contest to see who can do their best at looking down their noses at *cat hiss, dog bark, car tire screech* THE LIBS to the point of being cartoonish reactionaries Dictating that people shouldn't be able to comment if you vote or not so rude and gauche is one of those moments. Like, do you hear how bougie that sounds? You're making a decorum argument here. Vote or don't, but don't try to say how people are allowed to react to you panning the system they believe in. If you're really that serious about electoralism not working, some light pressure to vote shouldn't mean poo poo to you, it should bounce off like a bullet offa Superman's chest.
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redshirt posted:Why are there no dedicated french fry stores in the US? Could have them at the beach. At the Fair. In the Country. In the City. https://www.pommesfritesnyc.com https://www.mrfriesman.com
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:we have a restaurant here called new york fries and they charge like $25 for a poutine lol that's the same price they charge for a large cajun fries at five guys
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Ugh no I'm sorry, I didn't mean for this to become another argument about electoralism itself. Just that I hate how Internet Leftists have made it a contest to see who can do their best at looking down their noses at *cat hiss, dog bark, car tire screech* THE LIBS to the point of being cartoonish reactionaries you are not forgiven btw. and you're on watch also
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I dunno what that is but it sounds kinda hot
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you are free to set yourself on fire. I am also free to get pissed at you if you immolate me in the process.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Ugh no I'm sorry, I didn't mean for this to become another argument about electoralism itself. Just that I hate how Internet Leftists have made it a contest to see who can do their best at looking down their noses at *cat hiss, dog bark, car tire screech* THE LIBS to the point of being cartoonish reactionaries Never said that people "shouldn't comment", just that they shouldn't give a poo poo what other people do or don't do with their vote. That seems like common sense to me; you overreacted to it.
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Set these potatoes on fire what the gently caress?!
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Never said that people "shouldn't comment", just that they shouldn't give a poo poo what other people do or don't do with their vote. That seems like common sense to me; you overreacted to it. Yeah sure and also we shouldn't ask who you vote for in the voting booth, or care, and we all watched that kindly 'ideal' fall apart in 2016.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Never said that people "shouldn't comment", just that they shouldn't give a poo poo what other people do or don't do with their vote. That seems like common sense to me; you overreacted to it. I think it's like admitting that you willfully litter sometimes. Sure, it's not a big deal and if it's just you then it's of no concern but when done across a great many people it adds up and it becomes everyone's business. People are bound to have feelings about it.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Nine times out of ten, violent revolution makes things significantly worse for everyone involved. Especially when you have absolutely zero plan beyond "Kill the people I hate, then everyone will magically be a paradise of equality" I never said it'd end well my friend
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counterfeitsaint posted:Nine times out of ten, violent revolution makes things significantly worse for everyone involved. Especially when you have absolutely zero plan beyond "Kill the people I hate, then everyone will magically be a paradise of equality" What are the best examples of times that societal structure was changed and entrenched power was removed against its will in a completely nonviolent movement led by its own people?
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Most folks don't have any idea how their government works.
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redshirt posted:Most folks don't have any idea how their government works. they're called congressmen and congresswomen
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Bad Purchase posted:they're called congressmen and congresswomen I just cut right to the top of the phone cue.
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redshirt posted:Just wanted to say how much I disagree with this. What are elections if not the collections of individual voter choices? By definition. Lmao
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Sentient Data posted:What are the best examples of times that societal structure was changed and entrenched power was removed against its will in a completely nonviolent movement led by its own people? It's right over here next to the equally long list of times that violent revolutions did not spiral out of control and power did not end up in the hands of the most ruthless warlord available. Human beings are absolutely loving poo poo at governing, at least in any sort of fair and equitable manner. The fact that we're having this conversation at all without being murdered by the current power structure, and the fact that we can easily do it from vast distances from comfortable, climate controlled rooms with full bellies already means we're already doing better than 99.95% of human beings that have ever lived. I'm not saying this to imply we should be satisfied with the status quo, the current system still sucks and needs to be improved, but I am saying that we shouldn't just burn everything down and count on whatever replaces it being magically, inexplicably even better.
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The vast systems we've built are beyond our control, and they've irrevocably diminished the capacity of our only home to support human life. The material reality is that biosphere diversity and global population levels are going to take an enormous hit, and its already begun. Oh, the truth you don't want to hear and ain't ready for is I wish it'd hurry up!
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counterfeitsaint posted:It's right over here next to the equally long list of times that violent revolutions did not spiral out of control and power did not end up in the hands of the most ruthless warlord available. yuup. there is nothing in the news today that people haven't been doing to each other for thousands of years. various ideologies and religions have attempted to change society from the outside in so to speak, and all have failed. things are more or less the same as they have been, perhaps slightly modified by better hygiene, more scientific knowledge, etc. imho the most anyone can hope to accomplish in one lifetime is to not contribute too much to the madness. try to relieve suffering, but don't participate in the violence, division, and paranoia already in the system.
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