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Ran across this today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vumrar1k928 this album is so much better with a bass guitar on it, will never understand why they did Jason like that. Also this dude jams.
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big nipples big life posted:Ran across this today Justice was my favorite album for a while after buying it and I was just really getting into metal and I legit thought metal bands just didn't need a bass part
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yeah its pretty amazing that the best Metallica album, in its released form, sounds like absolute loving poo poo also Lars is a lovely drummer
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You see the video for One and you're like "wait, there's a guy with a bass right there! why can't I hear him?"
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If you listen to Metallica play Justice songs with Rob Trujillo, it sounds like this. Newsted was a loving hack, they shoulda signed Claypool  EDIT here check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dAQgniNaBE DOUBLE EDIT sharing this because it rocks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL42fwM5muE Vampire Panties fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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Mar 2, 2024 03:24
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Newsted is a perfectly fine bassist, Metallica's actual problem is that their drummer hasn't practiced playing drums in 20 years and his tone sucks poo poo
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big nipples big life posted:Ran across this today about a year and a half ago Preston and Steve had a game where they played just the bass and drums from songs. Got 9 of 10
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I've heard that lars' drum tracks on justice are cut together from hundreds of takes back when you had to do that poo poo by splicing 2 inch tape together with a razor. Yeah Newsted was fine, the guy in the OP is playing the actual bass parts it's just not zeroed out in the mix and he uses his fingers instead of a pick. Trujilo owns but I like him better with ST than with Metallica, Claypool would have been way too weird to be in Metallica, he may have strangled Lars though so there's that.
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Lars' drum tone and tracks on St. Anger are still probably one of the unintentionally funniest things to ever happen in metal
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Talking about Robert Trujilo got me wanting to listen to You Can't Bring Me Down so I went to search it on youtube and they hit me with this lol
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MrQwerty posted:Lars' drum tone and tracks on St. Anger are still probably one of the unintentionally funniest things to ever happen in metal came to say this
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A few years ago my brother and I were hanging out with one of our buddies and making fun of St. Anger, and said buddy hadn't heard it since it came out when we were in high school. We put on the title track on youtube, and he started cracking up and told us to stop loving with him with some youtube edit. Then we played another song, and another, and the smile disappeared from his face. Gotta admit, tho, I am really partial to that special OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Hetfield gives near the end of St. Anger MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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My friend was a massive Metallica fan and when he sat down to listen to St Anger, he kept getting more and more angry and desperate that the next track “HAS to be better.” Also lol that Lars and James claim that didn’t intend to hide the bass on In Justice For All, they were just deaf as gently caress from touring and kept turning up the sound on all the parts except the bass.
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big nipples big life posted:Ran across this today Hell yeah
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MoonshineWilly posted:Also lol that Lars and James claim that didn’t intend to hide the bass on In Justice For All, they were just deaf as gently caress from touring and kept turning up the sound on all the parts except the bass. lol I've always held that in the regard it should be: a lie by two prolific liars who sued their fans for enthusiastically listening to their music
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MrQwerty posted:lol I've always held that in the regard it should be: a lie by two prolific liars who sued their fans for enthusiastically listening to their music badass song with kickass bass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nspxAG12Cpc
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I like Danny Carey's drumming a lot and I really like Undertow, Aenima and Lateralus, but Tool just passed me by when I discovered guys like Brant Bjork, Chris Hakius, Brann Dailor, Des Kensel, Jason Roeder, Emil Amos, Coady Willis and their bands
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MrQwerty posted:I like Danny Carey's drumming a lot and I really like Undertow, Aenima and Lateralus, but Tool just passed me by when I discovered guys like Brant Bjork, Chris Hakius, Brann Dailor, Des Kensel, Jason Roeder, Emil Amos, Coady Willis and their bands I missed them care show some links?
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MrQwerty posted:Brant Bjork
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I missed them care show some links? Brant Bjork https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOTKRoPhIo Chris Hakius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SDOwgCKb1M Brann Dailor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxelXPg961M Des Kensel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h-X-tZa_w Jason Roeder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouRr-R6kCYI Emil Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKqoNrZ00Bg Coady Willis and Dale Crover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q7Q-KjD600 literally every one of these guys is better in their sleep than Lars ever was at his peak MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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MrQwerty posted:Brant Bjork 1, 3 and 7 were pretty good. 
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:1, 3 and 7 were pretty good. Roeder was/is also the drummer for Neurosis for almost 40 years, Dopesmoker isn't the most involved song I coulda picked for him lol here's a good tambur and drum song for Des https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFUc_L5PoDw another good one for Des from some tavern in Cleveland where some dude paid $7 for cover 24 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUeOTOGUimM Here's another one for Roeder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwaJvDCPnGw another one for Brant Bjork too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcJ-2ywFun4 Bjork and Hakius are the only guys from that list I haven't seen perform live multiple times, which is why I hold most of them in such high regard. MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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Vampire Panties posted:If you listen to Metallica play Justice songs with Rob Trujillo, it sounds like this. Newsted was a loving hack, they shoulda signed Claypool Jason might not have been a genius like Cliff or as skilled as Rob but he was still a good player. What makes him special is that his stage presence was insane. His backing vocals and energy are a thousand times better than the other guys. These days it's actually hard for me to listen to Creeping Death, Whiplash or Seek and Destroy unless it's a live version with Jason taking over verses and just absolutely killing it. Claypool would've been wasted in Metallica because James and Lars run everything with an iron fist ever since Cliff died. Lars sucks and it's fun to see those shows with Joey Jordison and Dave Lombardo behind the kit and be like "what if they had a better drummer?" but Lars' creative force in the studio is something that those other guys couldn't replicate so basically Lars is just the best drummer specifically for Metallica. Obviously they've made some poo poo music along the way but as the only metal band on the planet who can literally sell out stadium shows based on their name alone, they clearly did something right. They also still put on a killer show for a bunch of 60 year olds playing metal so I highly recommend that if you haven't seen them and have the opportunity, just give it a shot. VVVV yeah that was definitely a ballsy decision, gotta give them credit for allowing that to be released when it doesn't really put them in the best light. At the same time, it shows that they're real people that are hosed up in their own special ways just like the rest of us. Black Sunshine fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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fair play to metallica for letting that documentary come out that makes them look like absolute rear end in a top hat big baby bitches throughout
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my theory is that lars won't touch a ride cymbal because he knows his timing sucks and it would just be too painfully obvious
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also it is wild to think that Rob has been the bass player now for longer than all their previous ones combined.
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I saw these guys live before they were really big (I believe it was pre-White Whale meme) and holy poo poo Brann owned Black Sunshine posted:Jason might not have been a genius like Cliff or as skilled as Rob but he was still a good player. What makes him special is that his stage presence was insane. His backing vocals and energy are a thousand times better than the other guys. These days it's actually hard for me to listen to Creeping Death, Whiplash or Seek and Destroy unless it's a live version with Jason taking over verses and just absolutely killing it. This is a good post, and I agree that Newsted vocals make Creeping Death and Seek and Destroy work, although I would've never put that together myself beyond a general dissatisfaction with later versions I heard from Youtube. Honestly I think Claypool would've worked in Metallica, although I dunno if he would've lasted. Sizzle Fry and Sailing The Seas of Cheese are absolutely not Metallica albums, but the speed and technical chops are there. As (face-melting) evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-VFMnwBGSA
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Vampire Panties posted:but the speed and technical chops are there.  I mean the legend goes that he was turned down literally because he was too good, I don't think anyone questions what chops he'd have brought to the tablerealistically I think everyone probably knew it would just be the definition of not a good fit stylistically
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thunderspanks posted:
"You guys wanna jam on some Isley Brothers?" -Les Claypool in the Metallica Behind the Music iirc
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thunderspanks posted:
Yeah that's exactly it. He's clearly one of the most skilled bassists of all time but his style just wouldn't fit for Metallica. His creative energy would also be stifled and would've quit anyway. The ONLY reason Jason left was because he wanted to do a little side project (Echo Brain) because his creative voice was barely ever acknowledged due to James and Lars dominating the songwriting process and James refused to let that happen because he was an rear end in a top hat who demanded that nobody could do anything except for Metallica no matter how small it was. Like, no way in hell did Jason's side project ever have a chance of ever competing with Metallica but it didn't matter to James. If non-genius Jason Newstead left because of that, it would probably take Claypool like 72 hours to realize he can't handle being locked in a cage creatively so he'd just peace out. Black Sunshine fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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i always thought the hi-hat cymbal in "Seek and Destroy" sounded way offbeat i have listened to And Justice for All so very little. i never knew about this bass thing but um....no bass in a rock context is a big no for me
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It was my first metal album so I didn’t know metal was supposed to have bass.
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Lars and James were so messed up on booze, emotional pain, coke, and whatever else and they kept telling the engineer to turn down the bass. Really it depends on how you ask and what year it is. The fact that Jason hasn't poo poo all over Lars and James every chance he gets over this mystifies me. Every single fan would completely understand if not encourage it. I saw the Justice tour that year (88 or 89) and it was amazing. The crowd went apeshit when Jason played a solo.
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justice has to be in the top 5 worst mixes for a major label album if it isn't the all time worst. The way it was recorded didn't help because it's very sterile but the mix, so bad.
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claypool was writing proggy thrash with larry lalonde in the mid-to-late 80s with blind illusion, he could have worked musically in ajfa-era metallica since that's when they were their most technical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK4eKYVeu4g&t=659s
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Love Lars's dad telling him how bad this track is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RGSStvsag I swear this was on youtube somewhere in better quality
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So many drummers I knew were putting loving blocks of wood on their bass drum heads trying to mimic Lars' sound. It's not wood, it's poor sound engineering. I admit it works for the record, but it's a terrible sound.
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Vampire Panties posted:I saw these guys live before they were really big (I believe it was pre-White Whale meme) and holy poo poo Brann owned they're coming this summer and playing Leviathan for its 20th anniversary, I could do without seeing Lamb of God again but oh well I like Mastodon a lot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHHbCKcgaig Bonzo posted:So many drummers I knew were putting loving blocks of wood on their bass drum heads trying to mimic Lars' sound. It's not wood, it's poor sound engineering. pretty much ever since I got really into post-80s metal and started playing metal drums, I have made it an ethos that "putting your name on anything with tone like Lars' is a shameful act" when I tune up and set up a kit the way I want it, I generally try to go for a Des Kensel/Mark Greening on Dopethrone kinda big, empty, loud kinda sound vs. "clicks and farting on a snare drum" I work more on the tech/production side when I do music work anymore these days, though, playing is more of a fun hobby (especially as my back edges closer and closer to oblivion) MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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Bonzo posted:Lars and James were so messed up on booze, emotional pain, coke, and whatever else and they kept telling the engineer to turn down the bass. I think Jason is just a really awesome dude who's way above being a petty bitch. Also, he was a huge Metallica fan and ended up playing with them, getting rich as gently caress and touring the world for 15 years experiencing poo poo that most people never will so he's probably very grateful for just being along for the ride. quote:The band involved both of Burton's parents in the decision to choose Newsted. After the band broke the news to Newsted, Burton's mother hugged him tightly and said, "You are the one. Please, be safe." Really cool and heartbreaking at the same time
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the way Hetfield and Ulrich have hosed over everyone in their sphere, as well as going after their fans legally, and then tried to make good and go oopsie well have all this sloppy rear end poo poo as a do-over has never sat right with me every conversation about Metallica deserves to be immediately turned into what a shithead Lars is and what drummers are better than him, thanks for giving us the leg up lil' buddy MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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