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the 'obvious scum strategy' mean 'try to convince the third town (probably maerlyn) that i am scum because opop was'
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I am not convinced that the swap to Opop, the person you were defending for days with a can't kill result, and then bounced, wasn't scum theatre. I am also not sure that the rb on you isn't additional scum theatre.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:48
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Grandicap posted:Opop and Dans now have both flipped and we still don't know what happened with that vig. well, scum grandicap, i saw keats posting that he believed that scum opop was possible. and frankly after all the poo poo i've had to deal with from maerlyn, i trust keats's opinion more than i trust maer's so i decided, gently caress it, either we lose the game or we reveal that my role was getting subverted all along. I would have taken telling maerlyn 'i told you so' but getting a scum is also good
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Mar 19, 2024 03:50
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I am refusing to doubt Shark. At the very least he wasn't the killer last night, so the odds are worse for him to be scum
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Mar 19, 2024 03:50
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Or, it's not keats, and it's shark and Maer? Shark used the Opop roleseer result to finger RWC instead of a gunsmith role, and used it to clear his scumbuds after?
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Mar 19, 2024 03:50
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Grandicap posted:Or, it's not keats, and it's shark and Maer? I thought this too but knowing he was roleblocked proves he took an action.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:51
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sharkmafia posted:also, let's just get ahead of the obvious scum strategy here also again, the 'scum theater' that scum grandicap is describing would have been totally unnecessary as scum me. I had at least one town in my pocket, in that scenario
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Mar 19, 2024 03:51
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sharkmafia posted:well, scum grandicap, i saw keats posting that he believed that scum opop was possible. and frankly after all the poo poo i've had to deal with from maerlyn, i trust keats's opinion more than i trust maer's Not scum, but I am pretty sure I'm going down today anyway. I have been wrong too many times, and right too few. But I'm sure as hell not going down without a fight. I will solve it even if I'm shouting it to the skies on the way to the gallows.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:51
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Grandi was pretty heavy "not gonna vote Opop" all game which is actually a little LESS scummy because Grandi isn't opposed to bussing.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:52
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Johnny Keats posted:I thought this too but knowing he was roleblocked proves he took an action. No, becuase you asked him if he could confirm it Johnny Keats posted:Shark can you confirm This is an obvious leading question that has an easy answer. And on top of that, he could have a non-gunsmith role that did get blocked. Or he could be scum-smith. Or he could be a town gunsmith and I'm tinfoiling all over the place.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:53
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You think that question was obvious? It could have meant a number of things
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Mar 19, 2024 03:53
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sharkmafia posted:also again, the 'scum theater' that scum grandicap is describing would have been totally unnecessary as scum me. I had at least one town in my pocket, in that scenario I was totally and absolutely in your pocket yesterday. I would have followed you into the depths of hell.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:54
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Johnny Keats posted:You think that question was obvious? It could have meant a number of things Yes. If the rb asks you if you can confirm. As soon as the day opens. It is either a trap or it is saying you rb'd them.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:55
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Grandicap posted:I was totally and absolutely in your pocket yesterday. I would have followed you into the depths of hell. We both were, that's his point. I see it too, but it only works if you are town, which I currently don't believe.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:55
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Wait no it kinda does work because if I voted with Shark, then you could hammer. I get where he's coming from
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Mar 19, 2024 03:56
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Grandicap posted:I was totally and absolutely in your pocket yesterday. I would have followed you into the depths of hell. yes, exactly, scum grandicap. a scenario where I had a town in my pocket- and one of grandicap and keats would have had to be town- would be a situation where lylo was already winnable by the scumteam. so the question to ask- that is, to ask maerlyn, specifically, per my current thinking- is, why the actual gently caress would I swap onto opop as scum?
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Mar 19, 2024 03:56
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Opop pushed Keats most often, could have been a bus but I'm ambivalent.Opopanax posted:Ok cool, so
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Mar 19, 2024 03:56
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That Opop post makes me more convinced of Grandi. That is fake reason for townreading him.
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Mar 19, 2024 03:57
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Makes me feel better about Maer that she posted it, however. Maybe it's Cube
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Mar 19, 2024 03:59
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anyway i'm pretty loving sure that maerlyn is town, and if keats is town he's been doing some mastermind poo poo with his roleblock targeting so for me it's pretty cut and dried
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Mar 19, 2024 03:59
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sharkmafia posted:anyway i'm pretty loving sure that maerlyn is town, and if keats is town he's been doing some mastermind poo poo with his roleblock targeting Do you want to vote Grandi or Cube?
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Mar 19, 2024 03:59
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if keats is scum*
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Mar 19, 2024 03:59
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Johnny Keats posted:Do you want to vote Grandi or Cube? i think grandicap is the better bet. he's been pretty consistently on my side for most of the game, which in this context means backing up my crusade to keep opop alive at all costs because I got a town investigation on him the other scum being more ambivalent about the whole thing (cube) also fits
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Mar 19, 2024 04:00
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It has been a long time since I've been this thouroughly bamboozled as town. I am legit angry with myself.
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Mar 19, 2024 04:01
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Keats allegedly roleblocks Shark. Shark allegedly knows that Keats roleblocked them. If Keats is scum but Shark isn't, then this gets Keats a "didn't do the kill" alibi. If Shark is scum but Keats isn't, Keats whiffed on a pretty decent attempt. If Shark is scum, they could've lied and said they weren't roleblocked, then come back with a result (which no one would've trusted I guess). But it basically thunderdomes Shark and Keats today. If they're BOTH scum, then that could've happened, I guess. Risky. But then yesterday was weird with Opop. I don't know, I don't buy that.
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Mar 19, 2024 04:01
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note that that whole argument had me doing all the heavy lifting and consequently taking all the attention, first from fool of sound and now from maerlyn although maerlyn seems down to kill grandi, which brings up a counterpoint actually
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Mar 19, 2024 04:02
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Johnny Keats posted:Do you want to vote Grandi or Cube? actually, here's my modified thinking i really think maerlyn is town, but if she's scum then she is not on a team with grandicap so cube basically has to be scum in either scenario
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Mar 19, 2024 04:03
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Well I'll vote with you either or.
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Mar 19, 2024 04:04
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sharkmafia posted:actually, here's my modified thinking Well, I'm not surprised you're coming to this conclusion, since I'm the one who keeps remembering this post...[hold a minute while I find it]
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Mar 19, 2024 04:04
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This one, emphasis added:sharkmafia posted:I'm sure I don't know. which is why I checked opop last night.
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also hey maerlyn you notice how keats and i are communicating and planning in thread and the other people (grandicap and cube) are just posting independently, but their opinions seem to go towards the same conclusion that's a sign that they're coordinating their play in the scum channel
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Maerlyn and Grandi is still a possibility in my mind. But I'm firmly with Shark at this point, we are on the same wavelength and it's ride or die.
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I'm going through all the Pepe Silvia yarn on a corkboard theories. Could there only be a 2 man scumteam like flipped scum Opop suggested while pretending to be a survivor? Was that an accidental tipping of his hand, or just more poo poo we have to ignore? I mean, we can't assume that it is true, becuse if it isn't it is LYLO and a misplaced vote ends the game. But it also could explain why shark was willing to swap to him. Or am I just stuck on the shark thing, and I have to look elsewhere? I half wish keats has RB'd me, but there was no way I was doing the kill last night even if I were scum, I had too much heat. So if the scumteam was me+shark in Keat's mind, it was a well thought out block. So which scum teams would have sent shark to do the kill, because those scum teams should be off the board. It isn't me+shark It isn't Maer+shark (Is this a bad clear?) Could be cube+shark Could be Keats+shark (In this case, either could have done the kill, it just gives them both an alibi where they clear eachother)
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CubicalSucrose posted:This one, emphasis added: lmao whatever man, im sure a quote taken out of context is gonna be the knockout blow here
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Mar 19, 2024 04:08
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Grandicap posted:I'm going through all the Pepe Silvia yarn on a corkboard theories. It's not just this, it's also "Which teams would've killed TMor over (the alternatives)." Which is like...why not kill one of Keats or Shark?
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CubicalSucrose posted:It's not just this, it's also "Which teams would've killed TMor over (the alternatives)." TMor was a good kill if shark is scum. Everyone else here has a good level of heat on them. And the longer shark survives the more suspicious he is.
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Mar 19, 2024 04:10
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basically what i think here is that cube is the surest bet, but it may not be possible to convince the town out of maerlyn and grandicap to vote cube (its almost certainly maerlyn as the town but its not impossible its otherwise) which means that if maerlyn can only be convinced to vote grandicap then we need to go there
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Mar 19, 2024 04:10
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I honestly think it's exactly the two of them, with an offhand chance that it's Maerlyn with either of them (more likely Cube?). So like I said I'll vote either. I think we can vote perfect from now on and win.
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Grandicap posted:TMor was a good kill if shark is scum. Everyone else here has a good level of heat on them. And the longer shark survives the more suspicious he is. a good example of the very obvious scum strategy, which was to not kill me on the basis that they could then ask 'why is shark still alive?' in the context of a role that can subvert my action, which I not know exists in some capacity, leaving me alive is comparatively low-risk and gives them someone to push on lylo. this is all blindingly obvious although keats blocking the nk would have been cool him using his roleblock on me instead was as good a use as any
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Shark trying to get the Maer vote this hard is super weird. Why are you selling it directly to her? You not trying to get me to vote cube when you have said you are not sure if it's Me Cube or Maer cube is odd.
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