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I’m bored and wanna install Linux on my current computer, but I don’t want to partition one of my drives with data on it and i dont want to gently caress anything up on my windows install. can I boot clear Linux from a usb, mess around with it and try some proton stuff, maybe install some packages and still have access to the like GPU and all that? it’s been a while since I did this
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absolutely. pretty much any distro will allow you to, and if they don't you can probably get it to work with rufus: https://rufus.ie/en/ of course i'm going to recommend clear here, https://cdn.download.clearlinux.org/current/ you probably want clear-build#-live-desktop.iso just keep in mind it doesn't support the persistent storage option in rufus. i suggest just installing it to a partition on your usb drive, but if you're going to do this, it's much much easier to make a new partition before writing the iso image. you can also install to a different usb stick or even a sd card inserted into a reader or something though, if you want to keep it simple e: if you do want something that supports the persistent storage option: you want something debian-based, so either debian itself or some ubuntu variant (i suggest kubuntu, it comes with kde). that will allow you to e.g. install proton (or whatever else you want) with just using the live distro, but imo it's generally not advisable since those use default accounts with no password, meaning su to root does not require one either. so you could easily mess up your system if you aren't careful Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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i suppose a workaround to clear not supporting persistent storage would be something like this: boot clear in a VM with access to your USB stick (there are several premade VM images in the link above, but you can also just use the live desktop iso), install clear using the installer to it, then boot off of the completed install when it's done like i said though it's also possible to install it to some other drive attached to the system, as long as it's block storage it'll work (so other usb drives, sd cards, cf cards, etc. are all fair play here). but you will not be able to install many new packages to just the iso image written to a bootable usb drive (it will use a ramdisk, so whatever you do install will not be persistent, i.e. it will disappear when you reboot). you'll have to install it somewhere to really be able to install whatever you want e: VM images specifically referenced in their documentation are here: https://cdn.download.clearlinux.org/image/ but as you can see when comparing it to the previous link, those builds are pretty old Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Apr 13, 2024 19:00
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don't partition, just reformat
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Nobody Interesting posted:don't partition, just reformat you actually might be able to do this, you can force the installer to download the packages it needs instead of copying them from the image (but you'd need to run the installer from the terminal, there's no gui option for this). there's no guarantee the system won't need something from disk if you're running a desktop manager anyway though, and the live-desktop iso images boot into gnome by default
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also all of my posts above assume you only have one (1) usb disk. if you have multiple: yeah, apply the image with rufus to one of them, then boot off of it and install clear to the other one (and if you don't care about the data on it, just format the whole thing). easy peasy since the iso is only like 4 gb you could probably use a sd card for the installer if you don't have an extra usb stick, 4 gb is pretty small these days e: and i keep mentioning that because all of my non-apple laptops have microsd readers and lots of pcs have sd readers Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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i wound up ordering one of those cute little gpd palmtops in a moment of weakness and can't wait to struggle with lunix on it. it's be nice if steamos worked well on it but somehow i doubt it'd be turnkey so oh well, it'll be worth a shot
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Apr 14, 2024 01:45
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i used to have a gpd pocket and i loved it, but it was slow back when it was new (using an atom x7)
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ok I have successfully uninstalled all of my games from my game disk, cleared off an extra 90gb from my windows disk, and am just gonna install clear Linux on the former game disk. hopefully windows doesn’t get mad about that lol
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if you can just disconnect your windows drive, i'd do that just in case
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Beeftweeter posted:if you can just disconnect your windows drive, i'd do that just in case in case of what??
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:in case of what?? idk, you could select the wrong drive when installing?
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Core War for your boot sector.
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I was reading the docs and checking out the source code repo (I’m not smart enough to know what a lot of it does) for ClearLinux and it seems really messy and like the community for it started to die off about a year ago. i checked out the subreddit and the last post was 108d ago lol. are devs burning out because it’s a passion project or is something up/more convenient for the average dweeb? a lot of feedback is the package manager sucks
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:I was reading the docs and checking out the source code repo (I’m not smart enough to know what a lot of it does) for ClearLinux and it seems really messy and like the community for it started to die off about a year ago. whatever beeftweeter tells you to do, do the exact opposite. installing a niche distro that Intel will inevitably shitcan was poor advice. take a look at Ubuntu, Kubuntu or Linux Mint depending on whether gnome, kde or cinnamon float your boat. they’re all very well put together, all Debian based and you’ll be able to find a package for basically anything if you have any questions about them, post here or dm me
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I will thanks! and credit to beefy, all the metrics point to Clear being dominantly performant and secure, but it’s like a ghost town
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oh, to be clear, I’m not trying to start a “beef” here beef, I’m sure your advice is given with the best intentions,but you fell into the hyper-nerd trap of, “hey I love this complex thing I’m neck deep in. I’ll advocate it to everyone, regardless of their actual needs”. I’ve fallen into the same trap many times lol
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:I was reading the docs and checking out the source code repo (I’m not smart enough to know what a lot of it does) for ClearLinux and it seems really messy and like the community for it started to die off about a year ago. the repos for the most part have been updated hours ago: https://github.com/orgs/clearlinux/repositories?type=all it is constantly being worked on. there is a clear linux forum on their own site that the community uses, https://community.clearlinux.org/ there are several posts from the past few days, a few from the past few hours the official package manager, swupd, does in fact suck. you can see a lot of posts in the real linux thread with me complaining about it, but luckily you can use dnf (the package manager fedora uses) instead, and it's not hard to do and honestly who gives a poo poo if some subreddit is dead, that happens all the time shitface posted:whatever beeftweeter tells you to do, do the exact opposite. installing a niche distro that Intel will inevitably shitcan was poor advice. actually, gently caress this moron, he's illiterate. i suggested kubuntu as an alternative, you know, in reply to the post where fat32 specifically, literally asks for help with clear linux
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shitface posted:oh, to be clear, I’m not trying to start a “beef” here nah gently caress off
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Beeftweeter posted:nah gently caress off lol
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Beeftweeter posted:the repos for the most part have been updated hours ago: https://github.com/orgs/clearlinux/repositories?type=all it is constantly being worked on. there is a clear linux forum on their own site that the community uses, https://community.clearlinux.org/ there are several posts from the past few days, a few from the past few hours if you have to write three paragraphs justifying why your nerd trap is good actually, it’s not good. it’s definitely not good for someone unfamiliar with it
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i'd choose fedora over something debian based, but never clear linux, what's the point. if you want clear, install gentoo, seriously. you're already in their demographic
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Tankakern posted:i'd choose fedora over something debian based, but never clear linux, what's the point. if you want clear, install gentoo, seriously. you're already in their demographic something off the rhel/fedora branch is fine too but I’d suggest the package management and availability are not quite as good. very viable overall though
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shitface posted:if you have to write three paragraphs justifying why your nerd trap is good actually, it’s not good. it’s definitely not good for someone unfamiliar with it see? this guy thinks five sentences specifically replying to things mentioned in the op is three paragraphs, he's an idiot. sorry five sentences are such a monumental lift for you Tankakern posted:i'd choose fedora over something debian based, but never clear linux, what's the point. if you want clear, install gentoo, seriously. you're already in their demographic you don't have to compile anything on clear, all of the packages are already optimized. either way use whatever you want, i don't care
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I’m still leaning clear over fedora just cuz worse case I nuke it and install fedora anyways, but I remember the secfuck thread having posts about the distros that I wanna go back and re-read
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I’ll leave at this: - rhel/fedora/alma/rocky: you expect you might use Linux for work at some point. this line is where most commercial support is debian/*buntu/mint: you want the most readily available desktop/home/home server everything else: you enjoy pissing in the wind and/or are very bored/terminally unemployed 
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So it seems that all y’all operating systems are pieces of poo poo
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Beeftweeter posted:see? this guy thinks five sentences specifically replying to things mentioned in the op is three paragraphs, he's an idiot. sorry five sentences are such a monumental lift for you i also dont care!
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i havent installed a desktop linux for like, idk, 8 years?
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there's a teachable moment on caring and/or publically debating about these things here for all sides.
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now that it's not 4 am i will say this about clear: idk where people are getting the idea that it's some impossible thing to use that only works correctly once you've hosed with billions of configuration files. it's not, it's actually very easy to use — if your hardwire is supported. if it's not? move on, use something else, there's very little chance you will get it to work it is developed continuously by intel employees, for intel hardware (much like fedora is developed continuously by ibm employees); new builds are released basically every other day, if not sooner. it's not a little project developed by one guy in romania in their spare time. it's intel's distro, they've been developing it for years, and there is no indication they are going to stop anytime soon. most of the complaints about swupd aren't because it's too hard to use. it's the opposite: it's too easy to use, and people want more granular control! it doesn't use the concept of packages in the same way as other distros. in fact, it doesn't use packages at all, instead using the concept of "bundles" that include what you want, all of it's dependencies, and maybe some other stuff someone at intel thought you would want, and maybe plus some other crap too. so e.g. `swupd bundle-add kde-desktop` will install kde for you. it will also install a few kde apps they thought you might want. it will also install SDDM and switch you to using it (instead of the default GDM), and put entries for whatever desktop environments you might have. it will do all of this automatically, without you needing to do anything, and far faster than a traditional package manager but if you do want a traditional package manager, you can use `dnf`, it comes with the os image (most people don't seem to know this, but even intel's docs tell you to use it as an alternative). if you want to install stuff from elsewhere, snap and docker are there, and you can add new dnf repos or just install third-party rpms yourself, just like any other distro. anyway: if you want to use it? great, it's faster than any other distro, or any other OS, for that matter. i've been using it as a daily driver for about 6 months and can answer questions about it and maybe help with issues. if you don't? that's fine too, i don't give a poo poo finally, you should never listen to shitface, he cares deeply about what distro you use. lol, lmao
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use fedora as a normal-person distro
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Nobody Interesting posted:use fedora as a normal-person distro  ubuntu is “i just want everything to work” debian is “i just want everything to work for a headless server and i am probably going to run this without touching it for many many years” fedora is “i want the most current kernel and userspace within reason” rhel is “i want to run this for 8 years and i want to pay somebody to fix my issues specifically if i find any” opensuse/sles are the same as fedora/rhel but with better internationalization and a more pragmatic approach to backporting/retrofiting fixes vs starting at upstream and waiting for the support to trickle down to a release like RH does clear is “i want everything compiled with -O6 insane optimizer flags using intels secret sauce compiler” gentoo is clear but compiling it yourself and learning how far is too far for optimizations. it also is kinda good at teaching you how the linux os works since you have to build and connect and config the whole thing arch is like gentoo but with no compiling
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fresh_cheese posted:
I just want to browse the web and do email and imessage
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iphone/ipad ezpz
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fresh_cheese posted:iphone/ipad really the only good Linux
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ubuntu used to be that, yes, but since snap is in perpetual alpha state and they randomly install things in snap instead, things break all the time that don't need to break. fedora is the new justworks distro. ubuntu ended their relationship with justworks because the concept is too proudy.
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first thing i do in ubuntu desktop is disable the poo poo out of snap as far as i am able to
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that's not really "just want everything to work" at that point. if part of the installation procedure is to remove features (or "features") you're fully out of just works territory. (Windows counts for this)
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Beeftweeter posted:it is developed continuously by intel employees, for intel hardware Beeftweeter posted:it's intel's distro, they've been developing it for years, and there is no indication they are going to stop anytime soon. oh ok, so they’ll stop supporting it after the next round of layoffs
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