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I used to have the style of job where it would have been possible to work from home, but this was pre pandemic. It’s pretty clear that the homogenous move numbers around on spreadsheet, take on projects or whatever nonsense mess can be done from home, cuz nothing is getting done. But it’s equally clear that raises promotions and advancements in such fields require making connections and BSing with folks and putting in facetime?? How tf yall get promoted
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how do you get promoted 🅾️🅱️
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Mar 3, 2024 18:12
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I married a rich lady. Smart move, huge recommend.
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Mar 3, 2024 18:15
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Maudib Arakkis posted:advancements in such fields require making connections and BSing with folks and putting in facetime?? hmm no you can do a good enough job and advance your salary by outsourcing yourself to more or higher bidders and you'r allready the Boss of You you're doing a spreadsheet in your pajamas what is there to advance to You're missing out on kissing rear end though so maybe not worth it
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Mar 3, 2024 18:22
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teledildonics op, now you can suck your boss off from home (SFH)
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Mar 3, 2024 18:27
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you have to win friends and influence people OP
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Mar 3, 2024 18:27
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Be one of those dickweeds who have the camera on in meetings
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Mar 3, 2024 18:30
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As long as I'm getting the same salary, benefits and still full-time WFH, I give no shits about advancement. I'm also an old. I've been doing WFH from well before the pandemic and I'll admit I occasionally looked for an in-person environment. That all changed when I had a kid. It's hard for me to fathom how I could effectively be a single parent with all of the work rising a kid entails without the flexibility of WFH. After he's legally an adult I may change my mind, but for now, 100% WFH is my killer benefit and I'll put up with a lot to keep it.
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From what my executive management has told me: you dont, op. It kinda depends on your definition of “promotion” tho If you just want a cooler title and more money for doing the same thing that could be possible if your boss wants to keep you around and is willing to fight for you a little bit to justify it. If you want more responsibility and a broader scope then that means the consequences to the company of you loving up or loving off are a lot higher. if your bosses bosses boss has only ever seen you in webex and nobody else they know has ever seen you in person either that can be an issue. Its not only about “can jane do the job?” Its also about “can we trust jane to overlook the bullshit coming from XXXX without flipping out and making it worse” and “is jane sufficiently chained to our collective fate that she wont just gently caress off as soon as someone offers her  more per year?”In computer nerd terms: its not a No because of the functional requirements of the promoted job. Its a No because of the non-functional requirements of the promoted job.
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Mar 3, 2024 18:35
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Get hired somewhere else for more money then get rehired back at your old company for even more money Tale as old as time
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Mar 3, 2024 18:37
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"Promoted"? Like, a get a better position within the same company? I don't think that's ever happened, op.
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Mar 3, 2024 18:38
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Cheesus posted:It's hard for me to fathom how I could effectively be a single parent with all of the work rising a kid entails without the flexibility of WFH. That kid sick of you being home all the time allways on that dang compooter
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Mar 3, 2024 18:39
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I’m content in my job and don’t really want to advance beyond my current position op. I’m already well compensated and have a great work-life balance op. No need to ruffle any feathers.
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Mar 3, 2024 18:50
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Jedi Mind Powers OP. They work great remotely.
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Mar 3, 2024 18:56
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I'm good at my job and don't spend my time posting 300 threads a day op
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Mar 3, 2024 19:01
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Seth Pecksniff posted:I'm good at my job and don't spend my time posting 300 threads a day op then how do you chase clout like the apple vision pro
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Mar 3, 2024 19:02
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i work in a field where i basically don't have to interact with people. it's rly easy to advance as an engineer working from home, just do good work and i get raises/promotions
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Mar 3, 2024 19:03
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Our senior system architect lives two time zones away. I've met him in person once. He does his job exceedingly well.
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Mar 3, 2024 19:06
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fake jobs like spreadsheet managers probably have a hard time tho. but there is loads of real work being done remotely op
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Mar 3, 2024 19:07
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getting paid a grip to do nothing all day and instead focusing on fulfilling hobbies, spending time with your friends, family, and community, and personal development is basically advancing to the peak of one's career called "life", howveer. capitalism has entirely perverted the concept of hard work (and otherwise virtuous undertaking) and subverting that system is a noble goal
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Those of you fortunate enough to work from home please just realize how truly lucky you are I'm happy for you. If you aren't overall happy in that situation right now take a very hard look at your life--- start walking outside, get pets, get a fulfilling hobby, Improve your relationship or sever, because you live in an incredibly lucky situation....
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Seth Pecksniff posted:I'm good at my job and don't spend my time posting 300 threads a day op
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Spinz posted:Those of you fortunate enough to work from home please just realize how truly lucky you are Counter point. Living alone for years sucks.
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fresh_cheese posted:Its not only about “can jane do the job?” Its also about “can we trust jane to overlook the bullshit coming from XXXX without flipping out and making it worse” and “is jane sufficiently chained to our collective fate that she wont just gently caress off as soon as someone offers her
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Mar 3, 2024 19:51
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gently caress your way to the top, OP, but with cybersex Also post less
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Mar 3, 2024 19:53
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i don't try to advance, i just do enough to earn money
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Mar 3, 2024 20:11
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Spinz posted:Those of you fortunate enough to work from home please just realize how truly lucky you are Yes, good advice. I am extremely lucky. And strive to remember this daily. We should all, however, count our blessings. We're all well off.
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Mar 3, 2024 20:18
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I decided I wanted a 20% raise so started taking Fridays off on the quiet.
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My entire department is WFH and we promote people all the time. The people that work in the office are mainly working from other continents, so we’re all just meeting on Zoom anyway. But if WFH is the minority in your department, I can see where you may get lost in the mix when it comes time to promote people.
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Maudib Arakkis posted:I used to have the style of job where it would have been possible to work from home, but this was pre pandemic. It’s pretty clear that the homogenous move numbers around on spreadsheet, take on projects or whatever nonsense mess can be done from home, cuz nothing is getting done. But it’s equally clear that raises promotions and advancements in such fields require making connections and BSing with folks and putting in facetime?? How tf yall get promoted It's always been true that the best way to advance is to switch employers, that's still in play. But if you feel like you have to socialize with your boss in order to advance and you struggle with having to force that then that's even more reason to leave, it's easy to socialize remotely so maybe you just don't like your coworkers/boss
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The only reliable answer that always works is “use your current job to get a better job”
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show your bosses all the threads you make.
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NoiseAnnoys posted:show your bosses all the threads you make. That would increase my work load instead of skating on under the radar once they saw my raw talent.
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Mar 3, 2024 21:49
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By not being you, OP.
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Mar 3, 2024 22:23
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have you tried lying on your resume op?
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Mar 3, 2024 22:25
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By voting for Joe Biden, the best president of our lifetimes
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:By not being you, OP. been doing this all my life to great results
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If you are trying to get promoted into a higher technical position: turn on your camera in meetings, try to start and end every first work call of the day with a little small talk, try to get to know people and talk about yourself, take on projects and responsibilities that will regularly get you into online meetings with management where you can build familiarity, if there are social events, always go/fly there, take charge in meetings when no one else wants to, being competent at your job and deliver on projects and propose solutions to problems in meetings so other people will speak positively about you can also help If you are trying to get into a pure management position: lol, I have no idea. Try to build an online friendship with someone in upper management? Marry someone's son/daughter?
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it might be different at smaller companies dominated by the whims of mercurial bosses, but in large corporations promotions and raises are entirely vibes based. performance matters, but only so far as it leads to good feedback from you peers and management. that means you have to please management by making them look good, and generally for your peers i find it's easy to please them by proactively helping them when they're stuck or overloaded, even letting your own work fall behind sometimes to accommodate them. middle management at every large corporations is dominated by incompetent self-interested people trying to climb the ladder while contributing nothing except the occasional bark in the 6 daily meetings they put on the team calendar, like "awesome sauce", "happy hump day", and "let's be part of the message, not the mess". the way to please them is to never come to them with problems that you haven't already solved. they will enjoy the illusion of shared success and the reinforcement of the reality bubble they make their home. sometimes you'll find competent managers, in which case you can work with them in a more honest manner, but the bad news is that you might actually need to be good at your job to succeed, so fair warning op. but performance is not actually needed for advancement the majority of the time, which should be self-evident simply by looking at corporate pyramid which is top heavy with some of the most foolish people you'll ever meet. the reason is that corporate culture is metric obsessed and measures so many different aspects of job performance at so many different levels that nobody in management really understands what they're looking at when they "pull the metrics". and so they will immediately begin to manipulate and cherry pick things from the metrics based on the vibes-based narrative they already believe to be true, or flat out ignore them as wrong or misleading rather than change their opinions when presented with cold hard facts about their team. i was a bit worried when i told my boss and boss's boss a loud and clear "No, never again" when the company did the return to work thing a couple years ago, but so far it has not mattered. everything above still holds true, and i've gotten not earth-shattering, but still decent raises since (~5% each year for the past two years, plus a 3 year vesting stock bonus that is pretty uncommon at my company) which is the same or better than the peers i've talked to who are back in the office. i am not currently angling for promotion because the levels above my current one come with strings i don't want attached, but i do not think WFH would hold me back at all if i pushed for it, because i've spent long enough cultivating vibes and mythology about myself that it would be tantamount to corporate heresy for a manager to give me a bad review at this point.
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Ughh don't be the guy that wants to small talk during the daily standup I got poo poo to do I don't care what your 30 year old daughters weekend was like
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