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BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Saints needing to pay the piper is just part of the modern nfl. It'll never happen.

Inertia is too great.

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BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Dalton still has another year in Carolina. He signed a 2 year deal last offseason.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Docjowles posted:

If they can trade him for a sixth or something they probably should? That team needs as many picks as possible

For sure. Anything is probably on the table. I just don't see it and it seemed like the speculation was around signing him as a free agent.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

a neat cape posted:

I think he probably wants to play.

It's this Russ is one of those guys who'll still want to play when he's 50. He's a loon and firmly believes he's still dominant. No way he wants to go hold a clip board.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Dejan Bimble posted:

Holy loving poo poo his dad founded fedex. loving nepo baby rear end coach. I wouldn't want him near my team. He should be doing debauchery with the rest of the drat idle rich not taking football coaching jobs from hard working weirdos

He coached for 15 years before he got a shot as a head coach. He might have got his foot in the door with washington because of Daddy's money but he made he was a multi sport athlete and played offensive line before he went into coaching and he was pretty successful as an assistant before he got a HC role.

Arthur Blank wouldn't have given a poo poo who he was the son of and he was a popular candidate at the time.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Id be happy if we signed Ridley and drafted someone as well. Panthers need some receivers no matter who's behind center.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Diva Cupcake posted:

What’s a number you’re comfortable paying for Calvin Ridley annually given he will be 30 before year 1 is up? Would you go $25m per?

We have no one to pay.

Offensively there's literally no one of note who's not on a rookie deal or we couldn't replace with JAG. On defense Burns wants out, Horn doesn't play more than 3 games in a row, Chinn doesn't fit the scheme.

There's Derrick Brown who's had one good season and Frankie Luvu.

Thats literally it in terms of talent they need to keep.

Sign him for whatever. It doesn't matter. Next year the panthers have huge space.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Laat year we saw like 10 teams struggling with their interior protection, the markets been heading this way for a while.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

No Butt Stuff posted:

Didn’t make the Final Cut with the chiefs. Panthers signed him last year.

Hes mostly a ST guy who they gave some gadget plays to when laviska got injured. He's just a guy but was generally OK last year. I don't mind bringing him back. It's just whatever.

Rest of panthers moves have been good. Even if Bryce is nothing all the signings are multi year and mostly in the trenches.

Im fine with Morgan's moves so far.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Elephanthead posted:

Colts why? You could have gotten a decent player for that money.

Their QB is made of glass and Minshew ran away.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

FAT32 SHAMER posted:

So hypothetically where would Herbie land? NE?

Pretty much everyone in the league would be considering throwing Watson level compensation. Apart from about 8 teams.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

I have a feeling Fields won't be moved now til after the draft.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Jets and Panthers competing for both Williams and Clowney it seems.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Nooooo he was supposed to come home.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

I think Butker is the most accurate kicker currently playing, and I think Khoo is second. Both guys were cut by the teams that drafted them.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Hot Diggity! posted:

My bad, thought Lance was drafted more recently.

Cowboys got basically a season to see if he's worth anything. They overpaid for a mystery box.

If you can build a very specific kind of offense around Fields maybe he's the guy but like I don't know how anyone can look at his three years of tape and think he's anything more than a low level starter.

There were rumours that Minnesota was enquiring about Lance during the combine / senior bowl ball fondlingery.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Dan Morgan is trying to exorcise the last of the Rhule era roster "building" including the ticky tacky college defensive scheme that couldn't do a thing except make the free running risk takers look good a couple times a year.

Reich and Fitterer hosed up the offensive roster just about every way they could and the interior line needed an overhaul.

Bozeman was poo poo last year and was poo poo for a chunk of 2022 when he wasn't just blowing up defensive tackles or linebackers pulling in the run game.

Everything about Carolina is bad but the team needed to get better on the interior lines, sign some pass rush help, get some receiver help and find some linebackers and Morgan's ticked every box so far within budget and without giving away the farm.

This teams going to be ugly for a while but at least they've identified a direction and they're heading toward it.

Burns is whatever. The best scenario was the 2 first but he wasn't worth the money he got and at least we got something out of the deal.

We suck but at least we've made the right moves at the moment.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009


I don't know much about this dude but I'm assuming JAG who knows the canales system.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Apparently because of the lack of volume with JJ scouts are focusing on his third down tape and like his decision making on "pressure downs".

I still think that smacks of a potentially bad way to evaluate a prospect. It also might just be horseshit like half of sports media but eh. Food for thought.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Chicago - QB
Wash - QB
NE - QB
ARi - WR
Chargers - might be willing to trade
Giants - QB is a possibility but probably 2nd best WR in the class
Tennessee - not a QB
Atlanta - probably an edge
Chicago - who knows.

I mean... They might be able to stand pat and get who they want anyway but I think the most likely candidate to trade back would be the chargers. With their current cap they might want as many rookie contracts as possible but they did lose Allen and Williams this offseason so you'd think for sure they're staying to take the best receiver they can.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Docjowles posted:

I've been saying this for a while in the context of the Pats. If the evaluations of the top ~10 guys in this draft are correct (which is a huge if), trading back means giving up your shot at the kind of player who is a franchise bedrock for many years. You're looking at a significant tier drop. The rebuttal is that draft evals are wrong all the drat time and sometimes Josh Rosen goes at 10 while Lamar Jackson goes at 32. Which is fair.

But I agree with you. If a team in the top 5 is going to trade back with someone in that 11-15 range, they need to ask for the moon and the stars. The opportunity cost of all the guys they are foregoing is huge.

I was listening to a podcast tonight that proposed the Vikings send their 2 2024 firsts, 2024 5th or something, and 2025 first to New England. In return for the 2024 3rd overall and a 2025 3rd rounder. That's the kind of overwhelming haul that would make me feel OK about trading back. Is it realistic? I dunno, that is a lot of loving picks lol. For what it's worth it was PFF's Stock Exchange podcast, not some dumbass Boston homer show. It's also peak "making stuff up for engagement" season. But if I were in charge, I would want that kind of return to willingly pass on all QBs, Marvin Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Joe Alt.

New England makes sense only because they're a roster thats about as devoid as talent as it gets and there's an argument to be made that 3 first rounders and change is far more valuable than rolling the dice on the 3rd best QB prospect in the class.

Its hard to know how many prospects they have ranked in certain tiers though, you hear every year one org has 10 guys rated as true first rounders and other teams have 30. It's fun to speculate during the offseason and I get the content mill with the whole "I'm hearing rumours" (because I'm speaking them into life rn) happens a lot but that team has gently caress all talent you'd build around right now.

Ornery and Hornery posted:

I think the Arizona situation is illustrative of the conversation we’re having about the trade back with Minnesota taking them out of blue chip prospect range.

If Minnesota was at 9 then I’d be much more willing to trade if I was Arizona. Because you’d still have a chance at one of the elite 3 WRs. But because Minnesota is at 11, there’s minimal chance Odunze or Nabers lasts that long, and as such I’d be hesitant to trade down if I was Arizona unless the package was astronomical.

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Also, I strongly disagree with the Falcons going defense at their pick. Obviously their pass rush has been awful the last few years, so I get why it’s mocked to them… but the top WR prospects and OT prospects are such better quality than the top defensive line prospects, and are positions of need, that I’d prioritize maximizing the offense around Kirk.

I definitely wouldn't discount Atlanta looking to go for a crazy offense to kick their rebuild in the guts, especially after the mis steps the last few years but they've invested 3 of their last first round picks on offensive skills positions. I agree a sick offensive unit with a god tier tight end, x2 good WRs and a crazy good running back stable would be insanely fun, but there's a really good chance Nabers, Alt, and Odunze are all gone and I think Latu and Turner are more highly regarded than Worthy or Thomas. But I feel like Atlanta just became the front runner for the division the day they signed Kirk already.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

There's scuttlebutt that Nabers is higher on some boards than MHJ, I don't necessarily believe it but Nabers going at 5 wouldn't be a shock to me.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Its not like the steelers have a God tier RB room. There's worse acquisitions than a guy who can occasionally pop one who'll be safe hands on special teams.

We saw a playoff game turn on a special teams miscue just last year.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Cavauro posted:

a lot of teams don 't even have a room for rbs. what are they going to do in there. probably come up with some good ideas for countering their own exploitation. of course the real work for running a counter on that is traditionally done by the tackle and guard anyway. i was fooling by saying that. talking about the pulling that takes place on a counter play.

Everyone feels like a good pull after watching the masculine ballet that is a good counter play.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Dan Morgan doing well so far. Lets see how he drafts

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

mcmagic posted:

Old pass rushers who are going to check out of the season the second they are 2-5 aren't what they need to improve their team.

I get what you're saying. Panthers need long term investments at the position to pay off and I can see your reasoning with the whole - its hard to get up and run in the snow in silk pajamas adage about father time and athletes but to be fair to both parties - Carolina lost everyone on their roster who they considered a specialist. Gross-Matos hosed off to the 9ers, Luvu took more than we paid Clowney to go to the commies and the giants paid Burns an astronomical contract.

The Panthers needed something, anything in terms of pass rush because before the signing there was no one.

For Clowney its still 10-12 mill a year and you're going to be playing under a pretty friendly player coach, in your hometown and alongside the best DT in the league now that a certain ram has retired. Theres probably worse things for Clowney than to make 20 million being a hometown hero with some solid talent beside you.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009


Going all in by signing Zeke.

lol

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Might as well wait and see before we panic with the Panthers. Last year was rock bottom for the franchise. I have no expectations.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

Nothing really matters with the Panthers from.here other than what Canales and Bryce can make work together.

Morgan has signed the best he could, with what he had. The dudes who left did the right thing for their careers.

We'll know in 9 games how the trajectory looks.

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BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

He's a better Raven than an Eagle but he's still not good. hth.

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