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 Joy, a curious feeling oft confused with happiness. What is it, exactly? Defined alternatively—depending on the snootiness of your dictionary of choice—as either a feeling of great pleasure and happiness, or the state of being able to experience said feelings. Joy is one of those tricky things that’s hard to understand at all when only known in abundance. Spinoza proclaimed joy as man’s passage from a lesser to a greater state of perfection. A deficit of such going hand in hand with being beaten down and defeated. Certainly a life with joy is better lived than one without? Spinoza, of course, proclaimed a lot of other things. Perhaps not an ideal arbiter of the value of existence—but, he offered a salient point nonetheless. Is joy something that can be cultivated, or is it merely an illusory justification of circumstance wielded bluntly by those who have it as a cudgel of station against those who do not? Is joy a duty or simply an unconscionable state of ignorance? This is a thread for discussing all aspects of joy: what it is, what it is not, its causes and its nemeses. What brings you joy? What keeps you from it? What do wordy dead people or the loquacious podcasting “philosophers” of today have to say about it? What do you have to say about it? GBS is dying to know. 
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Didn't read, I wanna punch that guy in the face though
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Mar 5, 2024 22:52
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ODFtJckRQ
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Mar 5, 2024 22:52
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We already have an Egg thread in GBS
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Mar 5, 2024 22:54
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Mega64 posted:Didn't read, I wanna punch that guy in the face though would that bring you joy?
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Mar 5, 2024 22:58
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Joy isn't a word. Say it a few times and you'll see.
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Mar 5, 2024 23:01
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is it real?
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Mar 5, 2024 23:13
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cumpantry posted:is it real? maybe? if you define “real” as the materialists do, joy could perhaps be considered as the state of having a functional dopaminergic system—something which could theoretically be quantified
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Mar 5, 2024 23:39
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Joy is highly subjective, and can be achieved by anyone anywhere. But also difficult to achieve for some. Joy is a byproduct however, a result of your real actions. And rather frivolous and inconsequential IMO.
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Mar 5, 2024 23:55
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🤔 joy is distinct from both pleasure and mirth, it is perhaps the feeling that seems most close to heaven (as Schiller put it, the "Daughter of Elysium") but I think it vain to consider that to signify a higher state of being, or even too near a sibling to fulfillment joy has to be discovered. sought perhaps through beauty, delight, human connection, attainment, but its nature denies a concrete locale, for to prescribe it is to lose something from the feeling itself- it lives in authenticity, can only be come upon freely. I think it must be close to wonder. so I think it's a very separate question from that of ethics but what the hell do I know? I'm a lousy existentialist
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Mar 6, 2024 00:12
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redshirt posted:Joy is highly subjective, and can be achieved by anyone anywhere. But also difficult to achieve for some. if joy is a byproduct of your actions wouldn’t it be possible to deliberately take action that cultivates it? seems like that would only be inconsequential if, as prescribed by the calvinists, one’s actions are predetermined. if your path is at all chosen by you, then why not choose a joyful one? even if much of your path is determined by externalities, wouldn’t that make choosing to embrace joy at the small moments where you are empowered to make such a choice all the less frivolous?
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Mar 6, 2024 00:12
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Cubone posted:🤔 if joy lives in authenticity, then why does posting bring so much joy?
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TrashMammal posted:if joy lives in authenticity, then why does posting bring so much joy?
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Mar 6, 2024 00:28
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Joy is but the brief illumination by the wise of a job well done
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Mar 6, 2024 00:33
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Cubone posted:why shouldn't it? even those who post only to deceive come to it of their own accord 
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Mar 6, 2024 00:38
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In conclusion: Total Doody
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Mar 6, 2024 01:08
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you gots to jump for it and if you don't jumps high enough you don't gets any
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Mar 6, 2024 01:18
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dee eight posted:you gots to jump for it and if you don't jumps high enough you don't gets any house of pain was actually an ironic band name
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i was once referred to in a written breakup letter (not to me, to a friend's roommate) as a "joyless artless hateful philistine" so i'm afraid i can't offer much on the subject the reason cited for declaring me such was my opinion on the video game final fantasy 8, which i had shared the one time i met the breakuper, if you must know
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Mar 6, 2024 04:47
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Being happy and living in the United States in 2024 is immoral. There is too much suffering
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Mar 6, 2024 04:52
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Kant hated this concept Proof: I've read Kant
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Mar 6, 2024 04:53
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Joy is either a trauma response to your daily suffering or the everyday lived experience of not knowing real hardship.
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Mar 6, 2024 04:55
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Three Olives posted:everyday lived experience of not knowing real hardship. dont sign you're poasts
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Mar 6, 2024 05:06
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Bad Purchase posted:i was once referred to in a written breakup letter (not to me, to a friend's roommate) as a "joyless artless hateful philistine" how could you be joyless, op, when you’ve managed to find so much joy in the suffering of your enemies? perhaps the purest joy of all? MrQwerty posted:Kant hated this concept kant was a true poster. if he lived today i would find great joy in buying him a forums account Who Is Paul Blart posted:Being happy and living in the United States in 2024 is immoral. There is too much suffering to cede all joy is to surrender to that suffering, op. a joyless people are a defeated people, the very essence of hope snatched from their grasp. how is it immoral to deny your oppressor that victory? Three Olives posted:Joy is either a trauma response to your daily suffering or the everyday lived experience of not knowing real hardship. that’s ennui, you silly goober
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TrashMammal posted:kant was a true poster. if he lived today i would find great joy in buying him a forums account yeah he'd be a top 10 proster for sure
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Mar 6, 2024 05:31
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Joy to the world, all the boys and girls, joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea, joy to you and me.
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Mar 6, 2024 05:52
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Who Is Paul Blart posted:Being happy and living in the United States in 2024 is immoral. There is too much suffering OP, I do think that it's an ethical duty to cultivate a capacity for joy. If you're stuck on a desert island it's probably not that pressing, but other people do need joy when it's appropriate. It can also flush out some major gunk in the old brain pipes, or at least help identify what to work on. I find sympathetic joy meditation to be pretty difficult. It's way easier to experience joy at other's happiness with stimuli, like hearing their voice or seeing a happy face. Those neural pathways largely bypass active cognition. A lot of times, the way in which we're happy for others is sort of perfunctory at best, because there's a lot of poo poo going on. Or it's limited to a small number of people. It seems like it's helpful though.
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Mar 6, 2024 11:48
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The Ethics of JOI
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Mar 6, 2024 12:23
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I bring joy to my loved ones by saying something funny or doing something stupid
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Mar 6, 2024 13:04
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ive been retired 5 years 1 week
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Mar 6, 2024 13:30
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I like the small daily joys like doing a huge bust or getting empty-quoted
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Mar 6, 2024 15:59
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Carlos Lantana posted:ive been retired 5 years 1 week Congrats! Do you get a pension?
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BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:I like the small daily joys like doing a huge bust or getting empty-quoted
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I did a little googling on this whole “joy” thing. “The Joyful Things are among the most envied of Zon-Kuthon's followers—individuals who have undergone the Joymaking ceremony. These devotees voluntarily have their arms, legs, and unnecessary extremities such as eyes, ears, and other sensory organs removed over the course of a single night, believing that the less flesh a person has the more pain and pleasure they experience, and thus the more of such feelings they can channel to their dark god.” Yeah, I think I’ll pass.
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Mar 6, 2024 16:06
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Nigmaetcetera posted:I did a little googling on this whole “joy” thing. Well drat, now I'm interested!
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BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:I like the small daily joys like doing a huge bust or getting empty-quoted those are pleasures op
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Mar 6, 2024 16:23
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Ten toes to the path, two hands on the joystick
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:those are pleasures op what good is a joyless pleasure? a nut busted with a sigh? a post empty-quoted for several pages straight in pyf? the empty trifles of anime watchers and lost souls with nothing left to live for
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BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:I like the small daily joys like doing a huge bust or getting empty-quoted Your hosed up rodent av brings me joy when I see it. I don't really know why but it does.
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