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Lieutenant Centaur posted:I'm fine coming back later and looking at guys like Nix or Pennix although him being a lefty with bad knees scares me but looking in later rounds or pushing it off a year is not an idea I hate. When I see Daniels and Maye at 3 all I think about are Trubinsky, Jake Locker, Dwayne Haskins, Josh Rosen, Marcus Mariota, Bortles etc. Don't forget Round 7 / Pick 262 in 2022. Draft a guy you are high on and see what happens. Just preferably in the later rounds and use your high picks on blue chip prospects.
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Idk this seems p definitive guys https://twitter.com/colleenwolfe/status/1773465486983848348?s=46&t=Q9JsEynxHxZ9F2lOwU2Uuw
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mcmagic posted:When you draft a QB into a lovely roster you end up with the same interminable arguments about if he's playing bad because he sucks or because he has no talent around him for pretty much his whole rookie contract. I think good young QBs on bad teams tend to at least show enough to keep them around. Stroud was supposed to be going to a team with an awful roster. Kyler Murray as a rookie on a team that previously had 3 wins only got the same team to 5 wins but he threw for nearly a 1000 more yards than the team had the previous season. I think if your in love with a QB, go for it. But don’t trade up if your plan is just to draft whoever falls to you.
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I just received word that I am the GM for the TFF draft. Any objection if we use this thread as our war room?
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Mar 28, 2024 23:16
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Professor Funk posted:Idk this seems p definitive guys This sucks. Poor Connie.
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Mar 28, 2024 23:39
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I mean that was a pretty dumb thing to do. I hope she doesn’t get fired though.
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Amy Pole Her posted:https://x.com/PFF_Dolphins/status/1769048739119870057?s=20 lmao that their scale for fit/need goes from C to A+++
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The pats are taking a QB they aren’t going into the season with the Zapp attack Whether that’s a good idea is another matter
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CharlestheHammer posted:The pats are taking a QB they aren’t going into the season with the Zapp attack I mean they aren't anyway, they signed Jacoby Brissett.
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Kalli posted:I mean they aren't anyway, they signed Jacoby Brissett. You just assume Brisset is going to get hurt and won’t finish the season
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:To play devil's advocate, the thing is when is the next time the Patriots will be sitting with a #3 draft pick in their hot little hands? Probably next year if they don't start a QB! That offence friggin stinks
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I think next year is considered to be a worse QB draft than this year if you're looking for reasons TO draft one.
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Yeah but that doesn’t mean much. People always rise or break out into top prospects. Neither Jayden Daniels or McCarthy were considered 1st rounders prior to this season.
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And 2021 was supposedly a really strong QB draft.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Yeah but that doesn’t mean much. People always rise or break out into top prospects. Pats fans in here also don’t think those guys are worth drafting because they aren’t blue chip prospects so waiting another year for another flawed prospect who rises late doesn’t seem like it’ll solve that. fsif posted:And 2021 was supposedly a really strong QB draft. And people were saying for a full year that 2022 was going to be pretty bad, and it was.
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i think the supply and quality of qbs in any given draft is more or less consistent and teams are reaching more often because of the importance of the position, and the draft industrial complex has a vested interest in seeing more quarterbacks talked about because there's more tape and more to analyze
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I want them to draft Maye, but even if they end up with Daniels I don't think either one is playing much/at all this year. Jacoby and/or Zappe are there to be human shields and get out of the way when the time comes
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Nodoze posted:I want them to draft Maye, but even if they end up with Daniels I don't think either one is playing much/at all this year. Jacoby and/or Zappe are there to be human shields and get out of the way when the time comes This basically never happens unless the rookie QB is really bad. And even then they still usually play!
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Yeah if they take a QB at 3 I can’t see him riding the bench much if at all. You don’t spend that kind of capital not to use it.
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fsif posted:This basically never happens unless the rookie QB is really bad. And even then they still usually play! I think it's pretty clear Brisset is going to start the year as the starter unless the rookie just blows him out of the water in camp. The OL right now is still uh, let's say questionable, and they don't have great receivers either depending on what happens with the draft. They'd really be throwing him into the fire Remember that Justin Herbert was supposed to chill on the bench for a while until the team doctor punctured Tyrods lung
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of all the teams in the top 3 the Pats are the only one where it'd make sense to trade out for a boatload of picks. that roster is just loving brutal right now and I dont think any of the available QBs is going to make it look any better
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Relentlessboredomm posted:of all the teams in the top 3 the Pats are the only one where it'd make sense to trade out for a boatload of picks. that roster is just loving brutal right now and I dont think any of the available QBs is going to make it look any better And that's why you take MHJ like I've been saying. I'm also fine Vikings trade for the haul of picks.
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I think the point about the 2021 draft is very relevant. It was a strong QB draft, but most of the qbs either got damaged by garbage coaching and rosters (or catastrophic injury). You can still absolutely see the potential in Lawrence and Fields, but garbage fire coaching and rosters has massively slowed their development
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:And that's why you take MHJ like I've been saying. yea i'd do the vikings trade. get a functional team built first. while the true top tier guys can elevate a dead roster if its a qb that requires actual development or even a dude who's good but not top 3 they'll get destroyed on that roster. it's time to just restock in general, lord knows the pats will still have a high pick next year too
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MHJ would be the worst of the 3 options [him, QB, or trade down] Odunze and Nabers are ridiculous players who are already sometimes mocked as going before MHJ (lying season, I know) And you need a LT just as bad as a good WR So if they don't like one of the QBs, give me the tradeback. Giants preferably - if it's the Vikings, I'd want better than the 49ers Lance trade to feel happy about it given the circumstances (11 puts you out of range of all 3 top WRs and top 2 LTs)
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My Hot Take is the Pats should go QB if they really think their scouting says the future of the franchise is there for the taking. But taking one just because you need a QB and have a high pick is super bad and dumb, especially when the whole offense roster sucks too.
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Taking a WR at 3 is stupid when you have many holes and it's a really good QB draft and need one. WR is a deep class this year, they can still get someone better than on the current roster in the 2nd round and maybe the 3rd lol.
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Nosre posted:MHJ would be the worst of the 3 options [him, QB, or trade down] Nodoze posted:Taking a WR at 3 is stupid when you have many holes and it's a really good QB draft and need one. WR is a deep class this year, they can still get someone better than on the current roster in the 2nd round and maybe the 3rd lol. I will be accepting apologies in December when MHJ has a Chase like rookie season and the Pats have 4 wins and one of the 5 worst ranked offenses in the league with a rookie QB.
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The pats O is probably going to be that any way they go, there's just too many holes to fix it in one offseason But you have to find a QB at some point, and now's a good match up of draft spot + quality of the class
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Nosre posted:MHJ would be the worst of the 3 options [him, QB, or trade down] MHJ is very much better than those 2 and is the player who should go number 2 overall
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Sure, like I said it's lying season. But we still have so many holes I'd much rather have Odunze/Nabers PLUS a top tackle or other need vs. just MHJ
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People from the Pats have already expressed multiple times how much they think this is a "rare" opportunity to draft this high and get a QB. I think this is an organizational failure to understand just how bad they currently are, and how long it will take to fix. Two decades of sustained success has broken their brains and they don't seem to quite get that they're extremely likely to be drafting in the top 10 against next season, if not higher. That is what happens to bad teams, they get picks like this frequently. The best way to fix yourself is to take BPA and not reach for players because you really really want that shiny QB NOW.
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Or a zero QB draft, like we just had in 2022. Like everyone always says "someone will rise and be worth it!" but the opposite happens all the time too where good prospects turn out to suck. Spencer Rattler was projected to be better than he's ended up in this year, for instance Nosre fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Mar 29, 2024 |
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:I will be accepting apologies in December when MHJ has a Chase like rookie season and the Pats have 4 wins and one of the 5 worst ranked offenses in the league with a rookie QB. I'm not saying he is going to be a bad player but how much is he going to do with Bailey Zappe lol. He's gonna end up with Kyler who can actually get him the ball
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I promise you no one who watched Spencer rattler thought the noise about him being a top pick was real. It was just these weird national draft people just saying poo poo for clicks and thats what it is most of the time when a qb goes from projected top pick to out of the first
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Nodoze posted:I think it's pretty clear Brisset is going to start the year as the starter unless the rookie just blows him out of the water in camp. The OL right now is still uh, let's say questionable, and they don't have great receivers either depending on what happens with the draft. They'd really be throwing him into the fire I mean, remember Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Tua, Anthony Richardson, and even Will freaking Levis were supposed to chill on the bench but ended their rookie seasons as their respective teams' starters. Even if Tyrod never got hurt (not really his MO these days), he probably would have been benched eventually unless his play kept the Chargers in playoff contention. The only first round QBs of the past decade or so that didn't get serious looks as starters in their rookie seasons were Paxton Lynch, Patrick Mahomes, and Jordan Love. Unless the Pats have a locked in starter-caliber QB (or Maye/Daniels/McCarthy look Paxton Lynch bad), there will be immense pressure to see what they have in their #3 overall pick.
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I wanted to make the point that if the Dolphins couldn’t even resist throwing Tua out there after 6 games coming off a massive injury and with no off-season to learn, that every young QB will play, but…. Not every team is as dumb as the Dolphins.
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fsif posted:I mean, remember Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Tua, Anthony Richardson, and even Will freaking Levis were supposed to chill on the bench but ended their rookie seasons as their respective teams' starters. Even if Tyrod never got hurt (not really his MO these days), he probably would have been benched eventually unless his play kept the Chargers in playoff contention. They aren't winning poo poo and most reasonable fans know the roster is devoid of talent on the offensive side of the ball, it doesn't matter if Maye or Daniels end up sitting the entire season if it keeps them from getting killed behind a bad OL
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Nodoze posted:They aren't winning poo poo and most reasonable fans know the roster is devoid of talent on the offensive side of the ball, it doesn't matter if Maye or Daniels end up sitting the entire season if it keeps them from getting killed behind a bad OL That's just not how it's worked in recent history. It's a nice thought in the offseason but when you actually go through the season and you have week after week of subpar play from Brissett, eventually pressure builds from the fans, the media, the locker room, and likely ownership to mark it as a lost season anyway and "see what the kid can do." Otherwise, a new narrative of "just how bad must Drake Maye look in practice?" begins to build (see: Jared Goff). It's just another version of "we don't practice hosed!" It seems sensible in the abstract but it's not tenable when you're actually living through the real season.
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