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I say we need the media literacy thread back, if we are for god knows what reason turning this place into high school debate club a huge part of that is being able to properly cite sources.
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Discendo Vox posted:It would be useful to hold you accountable for actually resolving the issues being repeatedly brought to your attention. Yeah might as well get to the point, DV having a group of people that hate and harass them doesn't mean we shouldn't have a media literacy thread. It means people trolling that thread because they view being asked to be critical of media as a crime against them should be actually moderated. Papercut posted:Cynical despair fan fiction adds nothing to discussion and usually actively hurts it by causing stupid derails. Posts like these: Following politics can be depressing so I get some leeway on despair posting, but when that's your entire posting persona it can get very grating.
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Koos Group posted:
If you don't have the time or energy to do feedback threads and don't really post here in D&D all that often have you considered just finding someone else that's more active in the community that has the desire and free time to mod it?
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Stringent posted:I wouldn't describe the schism around media literacy/criticism so much as "baggage and grudges", but rather a sincere disagreement over what media literacy/criticism consists of. There seems to be roughly two major schools of thought in DnD, one which focuses on the vetting of sources, and another which places less emphasis on the source and instead focuses on a close read of the content. I'm sorry this is nonsense there is not a group of posters on this site that think reading the content is a bad idea, the idea is so ridiculous that it has to be some sort of performative attack right?
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DeadlyMuffin posted:There are other sub forums on this website that I don't post in, in large part because I expect if I did post there that a disagreement with the core thread cohort would result in me being called stupid or presented with two year old forum quotes to argue about by people with a grudge, as has happened in this very thread. Exactly if you didn't like AI but still spent all your time posting about AI in other subforum where 90% of your posts mention "the bad thread" that would be weird and creepy.
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Mar 12, 2024 20:11
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James Garfield posted:Weak and fallacious rhetoric like suggesting that a poster who kept getting probed for trolling the thread with "Kyiv is encircled and about to fall" and "What about Yeah there was plenty of pro-russian posting, the people doing it didn't even deny it, it's weird to try to pretend it never happened. Hell if you took half the Pro-Russian posts and replaced "Ukraine should just surrender and give into Russias demands it would save more lives" or "Ukraine asked for this because they considered joining Nato" and replaced Ukraine with Gaza and Russia with Israel I'm sure people would be lining up to call those posts "pro-Israel"
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Mar 13, 2024 08:16
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Victar posted:I have no comment on the rest of what you say, but I do have something to say about dogpiling. All true, a good example of this is that once in a blue moon actual Trump Voter that shows up and everyone piles in to question their sanity. It's not organized or anything it's just everyone wants a piece, which is a hard thing to moderate I guess.
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Mar 13, 2024 18:36
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Killer robot posted:This is basically the history of the Libertarians thread. Mostly it's a quiet "Check out this dumbass Libertarian poo poo that happened" but true believers would periodically show up to make a stand and get chewed up by the mob, not because of a conspiracy or rule-breaking but because they made bad arguments that were easy to pick apart with interesting and informative posts. Ha there was a time D&D had a huge libertarian population, it was uh gross.
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Mar 13, 2024 18:47
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Cinci certainly went too far a lot but it was at least different to have a super engaged D&D mod vs one that checks in every few weeks to do a probe wave, I think we can agree as with all things politics "the truth is in the middle"
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Mar 13, 2024 19:08
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Not only that, per Koos’ earlier comment, refusing to participate in the dogpile is now punishable. Even better news for those who find a real spectrum of ideas in their Debate forum “gross”. Yes I find the spectrum of ideas that libertarianism includes very gross, unsure why this would be an issue for you. Also no one has ever or will ever be probed for "not participating in a dogpile" that's just silly.
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Mar 13, 2024 19:26
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Raenir Salazar posted:Lots of stuff Yes patterns like this are quite obvious and intentional, the problem is when you don't have enough mods that are active in the thread/community to notice it, it's a very tuned form of trolling that has been working because people who engage with them end up getting probed.
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Mar 13, 2024 19:33
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Marenghi posted:The derails tend to come from new posters who kramer into the thread to deny something that was already confirmed, or repeat debunked propaganda. You don't need martial law to manage that, just the mods should be more cautious of new posters who post hasbara talking points. Yeah at the very least might as well alt check those people right off the bat.
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Dreylad posted:As far back as I can recall pretty much every heated argument in D&D ended up with someone probated (or just banned if you go back far enough pre-probation) so I'm not sure there is a solution to the problem because internet arguments almost always escalate toward eventually breaching debate rules, unless someone disengages. Most people (including myself!) have a hard time disengaging and giving someone else the last word. Yeah and that's not the worst thing, probes aren't that big of a deal as long as they aren't like months long. Like I got probed yesterday or the day before for continuing a derail and I deserved it and probing me help get the thread back on track.
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Mar 13, 2024 20:28
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Discendo Vox posted:Conversely, for the users who are breaking the rules deliberately to sabotage discussion or harass other users (like B B as mentioned earlier), short probations are explicitly not a disincentive because their goals are still being accomplished. This is true, some people are obsessive about loving with D&D and 6 hours is not a hurdle to that.
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Mar 13, 2024 20:32
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Raenir Salazar posted:That DV was harassed in the past isn't in doubt and in context isn't hard to see the ways B B was deliberately trying to push DV's buttons and clearly DV is just using it as a recent example. No one replied because IIRC it got probed surprisingly quickly. Yeah B B is a good example, he used to send PMs when you'd fall for his trap and get probed.
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Mar 13, 2024 21:13
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Staluigi posted:probably good news overall that metacommentary on d&d is getting so dreadfully repetitive or eyes-glazed-over'ing That's true, it's basically the same one long problem it's been since what 2016ish?
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Blue Footed Booby posted:The dude wanders into USCE every few days to post some random poll with a zero-thought one liner like "This seems bad for the Democrats." Anyone who falls for it deserves it, but it's also the kind of posting that only looks sus if you actually follow the thread. Honestly I'd recommend just ignoring people like that, but I've seen people get probed for not responding to arguments so I'm not sure how that would work.
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Raenir Salazar posted:You can say you disagree with my posts but please don't make up what I've said about them. Yeah this is why posting in the I/P thread is dangerous and exhausting, it doesn't matter what you say really, even trying to understand the basics of what's happening sometimes will get you labeled a genocide supporter, by the same people spend their time defending the Russian and Chinese genocides. You end up spending so much time trying to correct people imagining poo poo you are saying that you get off on a tangent and never discuss the original point, which probably is their goal to derail the "bad thread" At this point only active moderation by people engaged with D&D can turn things around but I don't think you could get most of the regulars who have left back and I don't think that is the goal of the admin team either.
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hooman posted:I would agree regarding snitching, I felt that way as well, and have previously not tended to hit report on anything but the most egregious poo poo. Making a lot of assumptions here about who's doing the reporting.
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