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Cynical despair fan fiction adds nothing to discussion and usually actively hurts it by causing stupid derails. Posts like these: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4004152&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=506#post538241587 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4004152&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=507#post538250511 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3590854&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=833#post538158300 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3590854&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=834#post538175095 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3590854&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=835#post538182600
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Koos Group posted:I've had this complaint before, but I'm not sure how it's possible to get rid of posts that are excessively or uselessly cynical or despairing, because cynicism and despair must be a reasonable response to political developments in at least some cases. Though cases where someone is engaging in it without supporting their arguments, or when they receive counterarguments but persist without addressing them or further developing their own argument, are against the rules currently. Enforce the "stale argument" rule against posts that are essentially just "nothing matters", even if they include the poster's own personal fantasy of how the nothing matters will play out
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Koos Group posted:The "essentially" is quite important here because it could break something down into a strawman or a position rather than the argument itself. If you were to simply say "stop thinking about this because it doesn't matter," that could be a stale argument. But if you say "this doesn't matter because X," and X is honest and hasn't been presented before, that's not a stale argument. And? Mods have to make judgements on every post. A post that says "even if Congress did exactly what the supreme court just said they should do, it wouldn't matter because the supreme court would just change their mind" doesn't add anything to a discussion and is a hypothetical that can't be debated. It's just personal venting. If you want you could change my complaint to, the stale argument rule should be much more vigorously enforced.
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I'm also curious why this post, which was reported, didn't get a probe. It seems to very clearly violate II.A and II.B and arguably I.A.2 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4004152&pagenumber=507&perpage=40&userid=0#post538251042
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Mar 10, 2024 21:39
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Majorian posted:The "Flatten" post earned that poster a pretty swift permaban. (in C-SPAM) That wouldn't change the fact that they were a pro Russian poster in the thread under discussion
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Mar 13, 2024 15:56
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Probably Magic posted:Trolling isn't "sabotage," Raenir. He's also used the term "abuse" before. These are highly-charged words for at worst can be termed "harassment." This framing, by DV's own metrics, are designed to manipulate the reader. Why does he employ it then? OED def. for troll posted:To post a deliberately erroneous or antagonistic message on a newsgroup or similar forum with the intention of eliciting a hostile or corrective response. Also transitive: to elicit such a response from (a person); to post messages of this type to (a newsgroup, etc.). OED def. for sabotage posted:to ruin, destroy, or disable deliberately and maliciously (frequently by indirect means). 
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Probably Magic posted:"Teasing someone, much like terrorism, is designed to provoke a response." This is a truly DV-level of hair splitting
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