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Fallout 4 vanilla has a few fun surprises, like the introduction of the BoS and weird side quest stuff. But I don't think anyone loves it if they don't love the crafting system. I feel like Far Harbor and Nuka World are awesome and the robot crafting stuff in the Automatron add-on is fun as hell. I just wish I had something that let me play SimSettlement. I also think people's opinions hinge on what Fallout they started with and their own Fallout head-canon, just like most big IP series. tadashi fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Apr 22, 2024 |
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TulliusCicero posted:This^ See I like that you have to explore around and find out what people are up to. I can understand why people might not like it and have a complete story told in the narration.
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TyrantWD posted:I've played two hours of Fallout 4, and about 30 minutes of Fallout 76 and that is all the Fallout I've ever played. New Vegas
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New Vegas has the best story and world of the 3d Fallouts and it isn't really close, but 4 plays like a modern game, doesn't crash constantly, and is more of a shooter than an rpg. It really depends what you're after.
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The New Vegas dlc was extremely hit or miss, no argument there.
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New Vegas was great on story and factions, weaker on world and exploration. The early game works you into a linear tour around the whole wasteland perimeter (which you can thankfully bypass on following playthroughs with the stealth boy trick and some careful saves), even once you're past that there are lots of invisible walls around hilly terrain, half the world locations are "three picnic tables and a star bottlecap" and most of the actual "dungeons" are pretty lackluster. So it depends how much of which you want out of your Fallouts, though I liked both and NV had more replayability due to very different questline options. DLC changed it up a lot, but it definitely gonna be divisive. Dead Money wasn't originally conceived in the Fallout universe and it shows. I like it, I can see why others don't. Old World Blues is good exploration and plot but only if you're into the wacky side of Fallout. . Lonesome Road is super linear and on the trail of Ulysses, who perfectly represents the tabletop gaming experience of the favorite new NPC your DM is sure you'll love and be obsessed with through the whole plot. Honest Hearts is kinda inoffensively just more of the New Vegas plot I guess. I'll grant, it's still a lot better than the Fallout 3 DLC which was two corridor shooters, a continuation of the main plot that should have been in the vanilla game, and one actual DLC sort of zone.
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Think Skyrim was when bethesda started putting more effort into the DLC. I liked Shivering isles but Solstheim/DB did the memberberries very well while integrating it into skyrim.
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The only critique I have of the NV world is that there's less POIs, but sometimes that can be a good thing when they all start feeling same-y in F3 and F4. NV DLC is always super polarizing, personally I really like Dead Money and Lonesome Road, sort of like Old World Blues, and find Honest Hearts interminably boring. tadashi posted:I just wish I had something that let me play SimSettlement. Can't tell if this statement means you know of these already, but there are mods that sort of do this with Sim Settlements and Sim Settlements 2
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TulliusCicero posted:
I will say Fallout 4 is way more Boston than Fallout 3 is DC if that makes any sense? I felt Fallout 4's world felt a bit more fleshed out in terms of actual like map and what have you. Fallout 4 had elements that could of worked but it just never comes together in a satisfying way. I think its still a decent game just way more FPS focused than 3 was.
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It helped that a lot of the criticism of 3 was the really weak aspects in FPS so they worked out a way of making the shooting good. At that point a lot of the skills just got rolled into perks. The fallout 4 system wouldn't be half-bad if they had non charisma speech checks enabled throughout.
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Yeah Lonesome Road is basically Chris Avellone forcing everybody to play with his "OC do not steal" and it's easily the worst of the NV DLCs. For all its faults, Fallout 4 is probably the most distilled "put on music/a podcast and wander" game of the series, just tons of little points of interest in a gigantic map.
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Tankbuster posted:was ulysses supposed to be a basegame character or something? He was. And he had way, way more dialogue that they literally couldn't fit him on the disc for the console versions which resulted in him getting cut before getting resurrected for the DLCs
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Maybe, he gets mentioned a fair bit in the base game, then they built him up through the various DLCs. I found the buildup very intriguing, stuff like the ending clips of Dead Money with these very evocative little sentences talking about this great battle/meeting between you and this other Courier. Then his DLC was quite long winded and a bit much ultimately, fell into the same trap the 3 dlcs did as well with some very bullet spongey enemies. Point Lookout was the best DLC in 3 and even that had some very hard to kill dudes. I'd agree that New Vegas's one weakness was lack of dungeons and combat setpieces to use the much better balanced guns and armour system on. Still my favourite Fallout game by far but I do wish it had just a couple more areas with lots of enemies and some very minor quest pointing you in the direction.
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Arc Hammer posted:He was. And he had way, way more dialogue that they literally couldn't fit him on the disc for the console versions which resulted in him getting cut before getting resurrected for the DLCs My tolerance for an Avellone character monologuing at me has greatly decreased in recent years.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Yeah Lonesome Road is basically Chris Avellone forcing everybody to play with his "OC do not steal" and it's easily the worst of the NV DLCs. For all its faults, Fallout 4 is probably the most distilled "put on music/a podcast and wander" game of the series, just tons of little points of interest in a gigantic map. I agree with this I like the concept of Ulysses, and I really like the set-up idea of Lonesome Road, but it does turn into him monologueing at you for hours through your robot friend, for poo poo you don't even know you did Like you aren't really even the same person anymore after the shot to the head, and quite frankly there is no evidence that suggests Courier 6 even knew what they were doing with the delivery in Hopesville He's just stuck in his own trauma about being Caesar's willing dog and helping the White Legs destroy New Canaan Cool loot though from that DLC I personally think Dead Money is fantastic, same with Honest Hearts, Old World Blues is fun in a goofy way. Elijah, Christine, Dean, Dog are all great, same with Joshua Graham. I wish you could have Graham as a companion outside of Zion though. I love that he's basically like a Vengeance Paladin/ Redeemed Blackguard or something from Dungeons and Dragons. I actually really like Point Lookout, I think it's the most Fallout 3 ever gets to the original formula, though I won't lie the Pitt is also a really cool setpiece (wish we could have explored even more of it, should have been much bigger.) Broken Steel just felt like "Uh we don't really have a central antagonist now, finish off the Enclave/ BOS I Guess? LOOK MORE LOOT! MORE LEVELS! MORE PERKS! Operation Anchorage besides the cool loot you get out of it is straight fuckin booty though, and Mothership Zeta is both "What" and Boring somehow.
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This thread is helping me to understand the value of Beth Fallout in their world design/ dungeon level design. I do feel Vegas is lacking besides a few of the REALLY good Vaults some fun dungeon/ level design. Absolutely fiendish traps/ encounters though. Meanwhile I only played Fallout 4 for like a few weeks, and I still remember that sick Metalworks place full of raiders you can sneak through, barge in full force, snipe from above or blow up. I really liked the sheer vertical scale of 4's map, where you fight Supermutants on top of burnt out skyscrapers, that poo poo did feel awesome. And Fallout 4/ 76 really GETS Power Armor, like it's a blast to use in those games, and I don't even like power armor typically ...Hmm, I might be trying Fallout 4 with all the DLC this week lol But then there is the Settlements BLEGH TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Apr 22, 2024 |
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I wish they could've gotten Ulysses in the base game since the Legion needed more stuff. A Legion-aligned companion would help a lot, plus the plans to have a little bit of actual civilian Legion territory so you could take a peep at what life is like there outside of the military.
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TulliusCicero posted:This thread is helping me to understand the value of Beth Fallout in their world design/ dungeon level design. Yeah Vegas is a pretty linear rpg that fills the world with interesting characters and situations, but 4 is an open exploration game that fills it with much more shallow interactions but is a much better playing combat game, it can be genuinely fun to lose yourself in wandering around. I do wish instead going deep on the settlements bethesda looked more into interesting ai interactions like say sid meiers pirates or mount and blade, that would be something that could spice the world up.
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Honestly my biggest problem with the 3D fallouts is I thought the art design was ugly for all the games. The worlds were built of textures that just kind of merged into the ground and looked like poo poo.
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TyrantWD posted:I've played two hours of Fallout 4, and about 30 minutes of Fallout 76 and that is all the Fallout I've ever played. You need one of the 500,000 Fallout 4 mods on nexusmods. You can check your many, many... many booba mods in glorious ultra wide.
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Steve Yun posted:I’m reading here and there that Bethesda’s games kinda lost sight of the anti-corporate satire of the first two games. How true is this?
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My opinion is that the key to enjoying Fallout 4 is to never build anything except what's required to complete quests.
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Chamale posted:My opinion is that the key to enjoying Fallout 4 is to never build anything except what's required to complete quests. I like the building though, although I would just console command 999 of the items I needed because gently caress looking for resources
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In survival mode buildings actually a lot improved as you really want to have a bed and a few amenities in a few diffrent places around the map. Still don't need settlers and what not, but yeah having the basics, even just a bed and storage is good. Just wandering about exploring on survival really is the best way to play fallout 4.
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I liked the settlement building TBH. Then a mate of mine pointed out that I was basically playing a dodgy version of The Sims, I couldn't unsee it, and lost interest. Definitely agree with the sentiment around the exploration and the FPS gameplay in general, and there are some great moments, but there is a reason why I've reinstalled New Vegas following the series airing while F4 will sit unplayed forevermore.
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The building in FO4 wouldn't have been as obnoxious if the interface for doing it wasn't so loving terrible, and/or if they hadn't leaned into it so heavily for all the DLC. Building stuff by running around in first person and scrolling through dozens of items in a linear menu to try and find a piece you want was just awful.
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The thing I couldn't stand about it, was that it was all preformed structures, that you could just tack poo poo onto. Maybe that changed or I'm not remembering it right.
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I really like Aaron Moten's performance in this. He carries a lot of the Brotherhood scenes just by keeping the viewer guessing whether he's going to do something good or evil. He's very believable as someone who is basically normal but grew up in a hyper-violent world and has to kind of compartmentalize their friendly normal affect and their cold violent affect. He does this thing where his face goes slack when he's considering selfish violent actions that's pretty unsettling.
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I'm waiting for that Fallout: London action. A mod that is basically its own Fallout game? I'm game! sucks that they have to now patch it for Bethesda's massive update breaking poo poo but i'm patient
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Extremely funny that a few minutes after Barb suggests nuking the world, Dane confesses to Maximus that they put the razor blade in their own boot Incredible parallel. Fantastic writing. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Do the games ever hint at what happened to the world outside America for the last 200 years
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Arglebargle III posted:I really like Aaron Moten's performance in this. He carries a lot of the Brotherhood scenes just by keeping the viewer guessing whether he's going to do something good or evil. He's very believable as someone who is basically normal but grew up in a hyper-violent world and has to kind of compartmentalize their friendly normal affect and their cold violent affect. He does this thing where his face goes slack when he's considering selfish violent actions that's pretty unsettling. Yeah I loved his character for this. I'm still on the fence whether or not he maimed his friend to get a leg up, then the friend copped to it later just because he figured riding coattails was the best way out of being a neophyte.
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Steve Yun posted:Do the games ever hint at what happened to the world outside America for the last 200 years Not really. The Bethesda games inexplicably have a few people who immigrated from Europe. Best just ignored IMO. There's one companion in New Vegas from Mexico which doesn't sound that different. There was a proposed Fallout game that would have been a tactical squad combat going up through Alaska, across to the USSR and down into China but that never happened.
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Steve Yun posted:Do the games ever hint at what happened to the world outside America for the last 200 years Not really - there is at least one NPC that managed to travel across the Atlantic from the UK, and there are certainly people from Central America present in the west coast games (also the NCR annexed Baja California). The games do confirm the state of the world before the bombs dropped; it was in a state of economic and social collapse from decades of resource wars and IIRC there were limited nuclear exchanges in the middle east and Europe before the big one - basically it was all going to hell in a very Mad Max sort of way. By 2077 China and the USA were the only two superpowers left standing and had been fighting for over a decade over Alaska (and the oil there), during which time the USA annexed Canada. Before the bombs dropped the USA had pushed the Chinese out of Alaska and invaded the Mainland, and there are references to US forces being outside of Beijing just before the the bombs fell. EDIT: Double checked a few things. I'm also reminded that there is an enclave (lower case e) of people descendent from the crew of a Chinese Submarine that washed ashore in San Francisco; presumably they were unable to travel back to China, or there was nothing left to travel back to. Rougey fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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I think my main problem with Fallout 3/ 4 is the lack of options for your character background: In 3 you are always Liam Neeson of different flavor's kid In 4 you are always married before, and even your past job is chosen by gender, and you have a poo poo kid Courier 6 could have been anything from a Frumentari spy, a BOS veteran, a former raider/ prospector/ doctor, or just a very angry Mail Man. On top of that Fallout 4 makes speech checks "barely functional human" "extremely agreeable" "incredibly  "It makes roleplaying as anything else but the role they give you dialog for incredibly difficult Are there any mods that give alternate origin options in 4? TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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I think Bethesda needs to realize that they suck at main stories and just focus entirely on environmental storytelling. Then get someone else to write the main quest. And make the main quest generic enough that it could be anyone. I do get annoyed in my FO4 playthrough that I have to acknowledge that shaun exists.
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