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I think it was probably Betty
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It’s definitely implied to be Betty since she does the Vault reassignment right after the prisoners die
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And then she pins it on the desk lady.
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Apr 26, 2024 20:38
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Betty's a bad egg, I think.
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I took it as probably being Steph (eye patch lady). She's the only one other than Norm who expresses any inclination towards killing them.
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Apr 26, 2024 21:32
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It's that, but it's also a direct plot line through Betty telling Norm that he has to be careful because of how impressionable all the Vault dwellers are. Foreshadowing of the twist and all that.
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Apr 26, 2024 22:10
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At the time I thought it was Norm or Steph. But the more I think about it, I think it must be Betty. Wrapping up loose ends before sending people off to their new Vault. A true restart, like a good middle manager would do. And she would be the most likely to blame it on the desk lady, which I originally took as an unfortunate happenstance based on her job. Yeah, Betty murdered them. The earlier conversation between Norm and Steph was just a red herring. edit: Also, I only just realized that the actress who played Betty played Blind Al in the Deadpool movies. I feel stupid. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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Apr 26, 2024 22:22
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I think they try to imply that Norm might have done it, but he had no reason to in the long run. Betty had every reason to. Those raiders knew what happened in Vault 32. Betty couldn't risk one of them letting it slip that they didn't really kill the people there, they killed themselves.
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zoux posted:My initial impression was that Norm poisoned the prisoners but now I'm not so sure. Do you think that's meant to be ambiguous or am I overthinking? its clear that the Vault 31 folks did that.
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zoux posted:She also did Jinx in Arcane and was very very good, and that's a high difficulty role to pull off without straying into obnoxiousness Yeah, but Sweetpea is almost entirely done in 1st person and brain narration. Plus the main character is a serial killer and she's not the charming kind. She's kind of just a lovely person, even without the killing.
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I think part of the fun of the show was trying to guess the vault gimmicks before they were outright stated, added a fun layer of mystery that would of made the show worse without it.
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The Vault 32 crop failure, because Vault 31 was aware of it, but was it just a thing that happened and they stopped paying attention because they went berserk? Or was the crop failure part of the test of Vault 32, they have a bad water chip that every two years before an election it starts spraying salt on the crops.
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I don't think there was anything sinister about Vault 32, that wouldn't make sense.
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I think Vault 32 likely had a setback, the crops having problems, and that somehow lead to someone finding out what Vault 31 was, which caused everyone to go berserk and start killing. Out of everything in the show, I think the Vault 32 situation is the worst handled. Mostly because it has a lot of holes in it once you learn everything. You'd think the overseer of 32 would have contacted either Bud or Hank about what was happening. You'd think someone from 32 would have tried to break into 31 or 33. And then you'd think Hank would be wondering why the overseer of 32 wasn't another person from 31.
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The residents of Vault 32 knew that 31 was the source of the problem; they didn't know if the residents of 33 were similarly naive or how they would side if told the truth. So it makes more sense to try and break into 31 to deal with Management first. The overseer of 32 is shown to have died at their desk, and also their computer is busted. It's not clear how much Management monitors each Vault in real time surveillance, since they seem to be reliant on whoever the appointed overseer is in each one for up to date information. So in all likelihood the Vault 32 overseer was trying to send up an SOS to Management but somebody got to them first, or they got the message off and that leads to Bud triggering the mass psychosis/murder-suicide gas in 32 to wipe out the revolt. We find out in the season finale that all of the overseers in 31 are part of "Bud's Buds" but that doesn't necessarily mean that they all know each other or the entire list of who was kept on ice. The weakest link here IMO is Hank not recognizing Moldaver given what the backstory on what happened in Shady Springs but it's not impossible for them to just have never crossed paths or for Hank to assume she died in nuclear strike. So much of it is left ambiguous to allow for the audience to theorize about what happened as much as to help the writers avoid being boxed in for future seasons. TBH it comes down to how much you want to see the gaps as flaws vs deliberate narrative choices.
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The last time Hank saw Moldaver in person was 15 years before the series starts. Long enough ago for Lucy and Norm to forget about having actually been on the surface, and for her face to start to fade from Hank's active memory.
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I barely remember he faces of office randoms from 2 years back if they visibly aged. 15 years and a chunk of rads would not help.
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I'm really loving good with faces (case in point; two days ago I ran into my siblings best friend from childhood who I last saw maybe a decade ago, from behind but their ears tipped me off) however I know I'm an aberration and to compensate I am awful with names. But while I recognise faces (or ears), I'll often have no loving clue how I know them - Had I been Hank in that moment and they'd seemed familiar I would automatically assume they where one of buds buds, not some "communist agitator" who'd not have made it into a Vault-Tec bunker. Rougey fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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Threadkiller Dog posted:I barely remember he faces of office randoms from 2 years back if they visibly aged. 15 years and a chunk of rads would not help. This is like how in a recent Star Trek thread someone said how they’re okay with 23rd century Starfleet officers saying stuff like “Amazeballs!!!! I loving love science!!!” because they were casual at their municipal government office job.
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how are those things remotely the same?
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“I don’t recognize new hires’ faces until they’ve done their 6 month probationary period so I totally understand how Hank would not recognize the face of a woman who played a large part in him massacring a whole city”
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For you, the day I nuked your city was the most important day of your life. For Hank it was Tuesday.
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Dr.Radical posted:“I don’t recognize new hires’ faces until they’ve done their 6 month probationary period so I totally understand how Hank would not recognize the face of a woman who played a large part in him massacring a whole city” Hey, when you nuke a city to get rid of someone, you probably don't really expect to see them again. You see what hank's problem was, didn't use enough nukes. 
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Moldaver is such a bizarre surname for this character - not that Fallout ever gave too much poo poo about names. It’s apparently a derivative of “from Moldova”, of Jewish origin and mostly prevalent in Canada. Judging by how hard it is to spell or remember for most goons, you’d almost expect there should be more to it.
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I mean, i assumed the last time he might have seen her was by the watercooler back in 2077. Otherwise i agree it makes little sense. IIRC He did react to her name not her face so whatever poo poo he pulled in shady sands could have meant not actually meeting her f2f.
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Mokotow posted:Moldaver is such a bizarre surname for this character - not that Fallout ever gave too much poo poo about names. It’s apparently a derivative of “from Moldova”, of Jewish origin and mostly prevalent in Canada. Judging by how hard it is to spell or remember for most goons, you’d almost expect there should be more to it. She goes by Miss Williams in the flashbacks. Considering how much of Coopers story we still don't really know, I hope/assume there will be more about everything in season 2.
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It's possible part of her buy out was a place in the vaults. She probably though being in the vault when the war came was going to be better than the outside to help oppose vault-tec. Bring it down from the inside.
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Argas posted:Yeah, it's hilarious how clumsy guns could be in the hands of power armored troops. It really solidified that the Brotherhood's technological superiority has enormous flaws. The BOS seemed to do at least a little bit right with the power armor. Maximus and a lot of the other squires are following along behind the (mostly) bullet-proof armored guys and shooting, while the power armored guys are carrying bigger guns. You can even see Maximus with his hand on the Knights shoulder to make sure he's staying close and to kind of guide the guy who can't see as well through tight quarters. If they put a little more thought into how they used the armor they might be better off, I think the Ghoul knew how the army used to use it and knows these guys are just dipshits.
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I guess basic training isn't what it used to be.
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The show did the hyper-violence well when it happened, but I was kind of sad that BoS just carried those assault rifles instead of miniguns. At least the Vertibirds had 'em. I do like that the show explicitly makes the BoS a horrible organization, and you're not meant to identify with them at all, it's just somewhat related to how Max is a dumb-rear end by his own rights.
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Rappaport posted:The show did the hyper-violence well when it happened, but I was kind of sad that BoS just carried those assault rifles instead of miniguns. At least the Vertibirds had 'em. I was hoping one of them was going to pull a gauss rifle out of their giant golf bag. I always thought the FO4 assault rifle design that they all use in this is kind of goofy looking.
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As I aaid before there's a distinct lack of lasers and plasma
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Arc Hammer posted:As I aaid before there's a distinct lack of lasers and plasma Nolan did say in an interview he didn't want to front load all the "cool stuff" (I belive that was the phases") all at once, and wanted to slow introduce stuff. There were a bunch of laser gun stuff on the wall in the shop though, so it's something they're very likely to bring in, particular as you know, they obviously paid some money for the props already. I'm also assuming the Fat man will turn up at some point as that's pretty much the most fallout of guns.
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There was a Fat Man in the shop with the... Leg stuff. And Moldaver is holding a laser gun in the final episode. They're just not using them.
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Arc Hammer posted:As I aaid before there's a distinct lack of lasers and plasma The enclave has laser weapons, so I assume they might come into play next season.
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The Power Armor costumes are so big, the actors can't really use their hands. The machine guns are clamped into place, not actually held, so combining that with a minigun would have been more expensive to make.
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Rappaport posted:The show did the hyper-violence well when it happened, but I was kind of sad that BoS just carried those assault rifles instead of miniguns. At least the Vertibirds had 'em. The suits were practical so the weapons had to be taped on.
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Well the answer is obviously to build upon the costumes and make them better for season 2. And then have them not appear I Season 2 because the DoD has decided to acquire the T60 props for battlefield testing.
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Arc Hammer posted:Well the answer is obviously to build upon the costumes and make them better for season 2. "They are just plastic and foam" "What they are is the property of the US government"
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Arc Hammer posted:As I aaid before there's a distinct lack of lasers and plasma Lucy needs to level up some more before that stuff will show up.
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