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Just finished the last few episodes, and I was happy with how it all turned out. It did feel like they backloaded a lot of the explanation of what was going on into the final episode. I have to assume they knew ahead of time that they were getting a 2nd season, because this season ends with a lot of things either unexplained or plot lines incomplete. I was surprised how little of the Enclave we got in this season outside of that one episode. I have to assume they will be more prominent in season 2.
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Hadnt really thought about it because of the gap between introducing the enclave and finding out what the doctor smuggled out, but it was mentioned on twitter and has bothered me in retrospect. What was the experiment the doctor was doing on the dog. At the time it seemed like that was related to what he was smuggling out. But then at the end we find it was a cold fusion reactor he was smuggling. So what was the point of the dog experiments? His whole escape could have been left out as it added nothing to the story.
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Apr 28, 2024 12:29
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It’s world building and sets up the character of dog meat
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Apr 28, 2024 12:41
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Apr 28, 2024 12:53
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The dogs attachment to the character is a pretty important narrative element of the story too.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Just finished the last few episodes, and I was happy with how it all turned out. It did feel like they backloaded a lot of the explanation of what was going on into the final episode. I have to assume they knew ahead of time that they were getting a 2nd season, because this season ends with a lot of things either unexplained or plot lines incomplete. I assume they figured people would just binge it since it all dropped at once, that way you can tell the entire story in one long movie and you can let it all come together at the end. I was kinda worried around episode six-ish that there was no way this could be resolved satisfactorily, but they managed it IMO. There's a lot of character and world building that doesn't necessarily lead to much, like the Ghoul doesn't necessarily need 2 hours of back-story before the bombs fell for the character itself to work, but a) it's their big-name lead b) it does help viewers unfamiliar with the franchise understand the absolutely ridiculous version of America that existed back then. Similarly, The Scientist doesn't need a lot of back-story to him, he's a dude who saves a puppy from being incinerated because he's a human loving being, and everyone wants to get at him for another thing he has, which we learn from the other characters' storylines. We don't need exposition on the Enclave that much, since we see them doing insane and inhumane science in mass production and for most folks that's a clue that these are not nice people. If they can get Agent Cooper for season 2, it'll probably revolve around him, Vault-Tek, the Enclave and mister House.
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I think the dog stuff isn’t an experiment per-say, it’s just that they determined that dogs worth training fit a certain profile so if a puppy does not fit that, they’re useless and should be destroyed. And then the scientist, being a decent person, saves one and takes it in.
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Apr 28, 2024 13:21
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one of the reasons I enjoyed the series so much is that it didn't feel like an 8 hour movie. it's funny how the ghoul's comment about getting sidetracked is lampshading how the subplots (gulper, vault 4, organ dealers, etc) are coming from the way the games are structured but it's actually just circled back around to being more like a classic TV show with actual episodes.
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Marenghi posted:Hadnt really thought about it because of the gap between introducing the enclave and finding out what the doctor smuggled out, but it was mentioned on twitter and has bothered me in retrospect. My reading was that he was training CX404 up explicitly to assist his escape; since he's never really established as a fighter he needs something to help defend him on the outside.
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Dr.Radical posted:I think the dog stuff isn’t an experiment per-say, it’s just that they determined that dogs worth training fit a certain profile so if a puppy does not fit that, they’re useless and should be destroyed. And then the scientist, being a decent person, saves one and takes it in. Oh yeah, the incineration part was sort of incidental to the experiments / training, they just wanted a very specific type of canine mass produced. But the Scientist gets to save a puppy, and we have a doggy friend for our show, so it all works out. roomtone posted:one of the reasons I enjoyed the series so much is that it didn't feel like an 8 hour movie. I like that they got to have side-adventures since that developed the characters a lot, like Max just havin' a grand ole time eating popcorn and watching a waterfall on teevee, happy as a pig in slop and Lucy has to snap him out of it. But Max sees Bad Thing happening with Lucy and abandons his popcorn, since he's becoming a decent-ish guy. Etc. The show had room to breathe, as it were. My specific concern was that they couldn't narrate their way out of everything that was going on, but that mostly happens in the finale, and we get a decent hook for season 2, as well.
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Rappaport posted:I assume they figured people would just binge it since it all dropped at once, that way you can tell the entire story in one long movie and you can let it all come together at the end. I was kinda worried around episode six-ish that there was no way this could be resolved satisfactorily, but they managed it IMO. There's a lot of character and world building that doesn't necessarily lead to much, like the Ghoul doesn't necessarily need 2 hours of back-story before the bombs fell for the character itself to work, but a) it's their big-name lead b) it does help viewers unfamiliar with the franchise understand the absolutely ridiculous version of America that existed back then. I wrote this up thread, but the story was structured very similarly to Westworld and really the rest of JNolan's writing where the breadcrumbs of the mystery are all there throughout the season but he hold back some crucial point of information until the finale/penultimate episode. You get something that doesn't feel like its coming together until it suddenly does, and it makes the show interesting to rewatch because once you know the twist it changes a lot of scenes.
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The dog experiments are just a callback to some stuff the Enclave was researching in Fallout 2 and also referenced by an ex Enclave member in New Vegas.
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One neat little bit of foreshadowing I noticed in episode 4 while watching again: Lucy mentions the "plague of 2277" as an example of how vault dwellers have to deal with hardship too. If the vaults are as completely sealed off from the outside world as they think, how would new germs get in after 200 years? It's one of the first little hints that something fishy was going on around that timeframe.
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something i'm hoping and expecting to get more of is the transition from cooper to the ghoul post-bomb dropping. i want to see him start out trying to be decent and have events drive him into amorality and even enjoying it - 'i do this poo poo for the love of the game' is a lot different than 'i do these things because i want to find my family one day' what i'm hoping they don't do, is just have the ghoul soften up more but never show how he became that bad in the first place.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:One neat little bit of foreshadowing I noticed in episode 4 while watching again: Lucy mentions the "plague of 2277" as an example of how vault dwellers have to deal with hardship too. If the vaults are as completely sealed off from the outside world as they think, how would new germs get in after 200 years? It's one of the first little hints that something fishy was going on around that timeframe. Yeah this is what I noticed as well, and I think that was actually Hank covering his tracks and quarantining the vault so he could open the door and leave to blow up Shady Sands
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roomtone posted:one of the reasons I enjoyed the series so much is that it didn't feel like an 8 hour movie. One of the other nice parts of the show compared to modern prestige television is that the set was lit bright enough to see what was happening
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so thats where the "its shot like a COMMERCIAL" stuff came from.
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https://twitter.com/lacko_adam/status/1784425862793695340?t=0h_WiBEfx6kghmAUjE8aIQ&s=19 Easier to just move the whole town into Los Angeles than to come up with a Shady Sands 2 theory.
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Truth be told, the show treat the setting with such vagueness and non-committal, that with little mad-lib and changing a couple flags/billboards (and whatever fan service), this could have just easily taken place in Boston and Diamond City is the one that gets blown up. Or at least my pet theory on why they retcon Shady Sands being LA, this taking place on the west coast was a pivot.
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I hope the tv show represents the gamebyro engine in a scene where one of the characters turn into a distorted mesh of polygons and launches itself into the stratosphere for no reason.
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So the shadowy figure who Barb looks at during the board meeting before proposing the Vault experiment system and nuking the world first got me wondering. I'm guessing that shadowy figure is likely a proto-Enclave representative from the US government. But it would be funny if it was actually a communist spy working for China who convinced Vault Tec to nuke the USA first so they wouldn't have to. It probably won't be that but it would be amusing if it wasn't just Cooper being smeared as a commie but Barb as well.
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Entorwellian posted:I hope the tv show represents the gamebyro engine in a scene where one of the characters turn into a distorted mesh of polygons and launches itself into the stratosphere for no reason. I hope they have a recurring gag where a bit character keeps cutting a corner and falling off a short cliff and then later they find the corpse laying there.
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I'm watching the show again and I missed the bit the first time where she keeps coming across settler NPCs who won't talk to you.
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Arc Hammer posted:So the shadowy figure who Barb looks at during the board meeting before proposing the Vault experiment system and nuking the world first got me wondering. I'm guessing that shadowy figure is likely a proto-Enclave representative from the US government. But it would be funny if it was actually a communist spy working for China who convinced Vault Tec to nuke the USA first so they wouldn't have to. It probably won't be that but it would be amusing if it wasn't just Cooper being smeared as a commie but Barb as well. That's absolutely a mystery box planted for Season 2. I bet there isn't an answer yet.
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Back Hack posted:Truth be told, the show treat the setting with such vagueness and non-committal, that with little mad-lib and changing a couple flags/billboards (and whatever fan service), this could have just easily taken place in Boston and Diamond City is the one that gets blown up. probably because the show was shot on the east coast.
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Arc Hammer posted:Technically Namibia is on the west coast of Africa Isn't that where the Germans mined the diamonds out and let the desert hide their crimes against humanity??
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dunno about the diamonds but yes on the latter. The germans found a somewhat populated place vaguely away from other powers and instantly devolved into doing genocide.
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Tankbuster posted:dunno about the diamonds but yes on the latter. The germans found a somewhat populated place vaguely away from other powers and instantly devolved into doing genocide. Yeah, i think some old timey sausage enthusiast kicked over a diamond in the sand, and they turned the place into a giant prison camp until they found easier places to dig.
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Dr.Radical posted:I think the dog stuff isn’t an experiment per-say, it’s just that they determined that dogs worth training fit a certain profile so if a puppy does not fit that, they’re useless and should be destroyed. And then the scientist, being a decent person, saves one and takes it in. Yeah the majority of what he was doing with the dog wasn't part of the Enclave plans, he just adopted the dog because he felt sorry for it and then was raising it in secret. That's what the treadmill and other stuff was, he was just keeping it as a pet. I don't know why they were doing dog stuff in the first place though beyond generic secret science stuff. I forget, did he inject himself with the cold fusion tech before the escape scene? I don't remember if that was portrayed as a long-term plan or if it was more of a quick decision after the dog attacked that guy.
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Tender Bender posted:Yeah the majority of what he was doing with the dog wasn't part of the Enclave plans, he just adopted the dog because he felt sorry for it and then was raising it in secret. That's what the treadmill and other stuff was, he was just keeping it as a pet. I don't know why they were doing dog stuff in the first place though beyond generic secret science stuff. He injected it before. While he was recovering, he left the hidey hole door open and that guy walked in while Wilzig was talking to 404.
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roomtone posted:one of the reasons I enjoyed the series so much is that it didn't feel like an 8 hour movie. Yeah but they got sidetracked because they had 26 episode seasons
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Arc Hammer posted:So the shadowy figure who Barb looks at during the board meeting before proposing the Vault experiment system and nuking the world first got me wondering. I'm guessing that shadowy figure is likely a proto-Enclave representative from the US government. But it would be funny if it was actually a communist spy working for China who convinced Vault Tec to nuke the USA first so they wouldn't have to. It probably won't be that but it would be amusing if it wasn't just Cooper being smeared as a commie but Barb as well. I saw a few people speculating it could be Braun, that he was in charge of making the vaults experiments so that makes sense. Also I didn't realize the Big MT guy was Sinclair, the guy who also created the Sierra Madre. Though I kinda hope they get James Urbinak to come in and be Dr Zero in live action in some flashback. It would be the closest we'll get to a live action Dr Venture. Vault Tec didn't want to buy my WALKING EYE!
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I'm kinda iffy on Sinclair being the Big Mountain representative. He struck me as more of a client of theirs than a CEO. And in Dead Money he seems more like a smitten playboy (who is much smarter than he looks) than a cigar chomping bulldog. It would have been hilarious if Mobius was the representative at the meeting. Also House was definitely stacking the deck in that scene. He already owns RepConn at the time of the meeting and he let her be the mouthpiece for a bunch of Vault ideas while he remained neutral. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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I think he is addressed as "Sinclair" in the scene. edit: I watched it again and the X-ray says he's Frederick Sinclair
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I'm just saying it's weird that they went with Sinclair at the meeting rather than Doctor Klein or Mobius. When I think of Fred Sinclair I think of the Sierra Madre casino, when I think of Big MT I think of brains in jars with homicidal tendencies and SCIENCE
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No I'm agreeing with you, it flies in the face of his Dead Money characterization to be the big power here. He hated collaborating with Big MT.
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TaurusTorus posted:No I'm agreeing with you, it flies in the face of his Dead Money characterization to be the big power here. He hated collaborating with Big MT. Maybe he hated it because everyone laughed at his terrible vault ideas
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Arc Hammer posted:Also House was definitely stacking the deck in that scene. He already owns RepConn at the time of the meeting and he let her be the mouthpiece for a bunch of Vault ideas while he remained neutral. I'm sure I missed it, but do we know when the bulk of Coop's pre-war story takes place?
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