crepeface posted:

wait did i get got by a SYQ

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Where again, you're just nitpicking. Instead of putting any effort at all into reading context into what you're responding to, where you often seem to read posts in an overly literal fashion; where you're placing an undue burden of effort into forcing people to explain what the reasonable position is; which would be fine if this was genuine and if you absolutely had no prior position or understanding of the issue, but you clearly do.

tristeham posted:

crepeface posted:

wait did i get got by a SYQ

crepeface posted:

wait did i get got by a SYQ

crepeface posted:

wait did i get got by a SYQ

genericnick posted:

Seems like you need some media literacy

crepeface posted:

Part 1: What is media literacy?

Let's start from the beginning.



This is the Shannon and Weaver Communication Model.

(Note that this is a model of communication. This material will have a few models; the thing about models is they're simplified representations that explain one set of relationships by sacrificing detail elsewhere. I am also simplifying these models, as many of the real ones get very complex.)

Shannon and Weaver is a classic. It’s the foundation of entire fields of theory. But let’s put some flesh on these bones. Why do we care about this?


Example 1
DnD mod GreyJoyBastard loves classic film The Princess Bride, and has always thought it deserves more appreciation. He writes a long, meandering OP in CineD discussing his love of the film, and promoting his idea, an HD re-release shown in theaters.

GJB has a message he wants to convey, but he can't just beam it into people's heads- he has to encode it into a message into a form other people can translate. This post passes through the channel or medium of the forums.



Unfortunately, this medium has a source of noise, or distortion, that warps or limits the content of the message. All communications have sources of noise, but SA has an especially bad one: radium’s code. The post that is ultimately displayed is scrambled.



Several users see the new thread. Among them is Jeffrey of YOSPOS, who sees the post and reads it, decoding it in the context of some…detailed…children's cartoon fanfiction GJB had been posting earlier. He decides he's had enough. GreyJoyBastard is demodded and permabanned.



What have we learned?
First, what you mean isn’t the same as what you say, or what your audience hears. Your ideas or beliefs or intentions have to be converted into a message, which travels through a medium that further distorts its content, and then has to be interpreted by the recipient.


Second, to communicate your meaning, you have to think about how the message will be received. It’s not enough to care passionately about your beliefs. Hell, caring passionately can make it harder to communicate! You need to be able to anticipate how your message will be mediated to construct your message so that it conveys your desired idea and your audience will understand it. GreyJoyBastard didn’t have too much of a chance because of radium, but if he’d included a short message at the top of his post saying “I understand this is not like my usual posting, but I promise this thread is not related to my collection of My Little Pony alternate universe harem novellas”…it might have helped. He needed to think about how the forums could screw up his message, and how his target audience doesn’t share his well-known love of 1980s camp cinema and costumed horse romance.

If you don’t actively think about how your message will be mediated and received, and how it relates to your goals, you’re talking to yourself, not others. You're masturbating, not communicating. DPPH is closed. We try to discourage that practice these days.


Third and most importantly, all messages are mediated.
When we usually think of media, we think of getting information from an outside source, like a newspaper, that “mediates” the message. But every medium, every source, selects and influences how a message is shaped and ultimately received.

What’s more, messages are mediated many times over. When you see and post a tweet that contains a link to a news story, the reporter is a mediator for the message- but so is the source for the story, and the way they talked to the reporter, and the editor, and the newspaper’s social media account, and the person who retweets it, and the twitter format…and so are you, the person who posts that tweet on the forums.

When we think of media literacy, then it’s not just about understanding how the “news media” operates. We get information in all kinds of ways, and very little of it is only mediated by reporters. Media literacy is about understanding how the process of communication affects the messages we receive, and how we can better participate in communication, as message creators and receivers.

Junkozeyne posted:

Because it's hard to sell "Muslims are genocided in China" when the west starts cheering after the first 3 words

crepeface posted:

wait did i get got by a SYQ

crepeface posted:

I searched beforehand and didn't find anything

tristeham posted:

Al! posted:

medium literacy

genericnick posted:

Seems like you need some media literacy

MonsieurChoc posted:

Lol remember when they went on a probe rampage because we made fun of how dumb that thread was?

brugroffil posted:

Most of this is from the Wikipedia articles if you search "Uyghurs genocide" and "Tibetan genocide" in google, I can't see how you can dispute that at a minimum a systematic campaign violating the human rights of Tibetans and Uyghurs has been ongoing for decades in China.

fizziester posted:

A small media literate at large.

HallelujahLee posted:

the United States was and still is a democracy even during the periods of its history where it still had legal slavery and women lacked the vote

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Definitionally they weren’t people so it was perfectly accurate

Orange Devil posted:

Ok watch me: I dispute that a systematic campaign violating the human rights of Tibetans and Uyghurs has been ongoing for decades in China.

Can you see it now?

mawarannahr posted:

the dalai lama sucks

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Which incarnation? You have to be more specific

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Which incarnation? You have to be more specific