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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

How many people did The Terminator kill in the first movie?

There's the first Sarah, and the second (implied), there's Sarah's roommate and her awesome boyfriend.
There's the gun store owner.
There's 10-15 LA Cops
Who am I missing?

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

redshirt posted:

How many people did The Terminator kill in the first movie?

There's the first Sarah, and the second (implied), there's Sarah's roommate and her awesome boyfriend.
There's the gun store owner.
There's 10-15 LA Cops
Who am I missing?

Bill Paxton, Brian Thompson, and maybe the other punk who donates his jacket to the Terminator.
The lady standing between Sarah and the Terminator when he shoots his Uzi.
Sarah's mom offscreen.
A truck driver he punches in the heart, believed dead. Maybe the co-driver who he makes jump from a moving semi (debatable)
Kyle Reese.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



redshirt posted:

There's the first Sarah, and the second (implied), there's Sarah's roommate and her awesome boyfriend.
There's the gun store owner.
There's 10-15 LA Cops
Who am I missing?

Sarah's mother (implied)

1-2 switchblade punks.

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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Yeah how many did he kill in Tech Noir?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

redshirt posted:

Yeah how many did he kill in Tech Noir?

At least three I can see on screen: a guy in front of Reese near the bar that eats the Terminator's burst full-on, then two ladies that are running out the door with Sarah that take the shots when he tries to mow her down. Sarah has to crawl out from under one of their bodies.

I am pretty sure the cop that arrives at the scene has his ribs crushed into paste by the car door and skull bashed in when Terminator commandeers his squad car.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Looking at a list on IMDB:
1? Punk (This must only count the guy who gets his torso punched in. Paxton is merely thrown back and roughed up, memes about him having the EGOT of 80s sci fi deaths notwithstanding)
1 Gun Store Owner
2 Phonebook Sarahs.
2 Matt and Ginger (Pugsley is spared)
3 Tech Noir Patrons
17 Cops (this count is given in T2, onscreen deaths may be a bit shy of this)
1 Sarah's Mother
1? Truck Driver (may have only been incapacitated)

Amusingly the list I'm working from explains that he should NOT be credited with Kyle Reese since the mortal injuries that kill him are from Reese's own bomb.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

It's easy to forget now, but back in the day, The Terminator was very much a movie cut from the same cloth as Friday the 13th and Halloween.

Relentless murder monster mows through everyone until "The Last Girl", like all horror movies.

It was T2, and its huge smash summer time box office, that changed the discussion on the series.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



yeah absolutely. it had a lot more going on under the hood but at its heart it was just a higher-concept, higher-budget video nasty and you gotta love it for that.

the harryhausen chrome skeleton stop motion has so much loving sinister 80's slasher charm

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Owlbear Camus posted:

yeah absolutely. it had a lot more going on under the hood but at its heart it was just a higher-concept, higher-budget video nasty and you gotta love it for that.

the harryhausen chrome skeleton stop motion has so much loving sinister 80's slasher charm

yeah at the end when at last the Terminator sloughs off its flesh disguise.....

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
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Why do you keep writing ‘gun store owner’ instead of ‘Dick loving Miller’?

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Owlbear Camus posted:

Looking at a list on IMDB:
1? Punk (This must only count the guy who gets his torso punched in. Paxton is merely thrown back and roughed up, memes about him having the EGOT of 80s sci fi deaths notwithstanding)
1 Gun Store Owner
2 Phonebook Sarahs.
2 Matt and Ginger (Pugsley is spared)
3 Tech Noir Patrons
17 Cops (this count is given in T2, onscreen deaths may be a bit shy of this)
1 Sarah's Mother
1? Truck Driver (may have only been incapacitated)

Amusingly the list I'm working from explains that he should NOT be credited with Kyle Reese since the mortal injuries that kill him are from Reese's own bomb.

I'll accept this as the authoritative answer unless someone objects

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

redshirt posted:

It's easy to forget now, but back in the day, The Terminator was very much a movie cut from the same cloth as Friday the 13th and Halloween.

Relentless murder monster mows through everyone until "The Last Girl", like all horror movies.

It was T2, and its huge smash summer time box office, that changed the discussion on the series.

Imagine if they had gone a similar route and instead of action movies it was just one Terminator every time and normal humans trying to stop it; trying to bury it in a cave-in, flatten it with a steamroller, rip it apart with magnets, etc.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Jimbone Tallshanks posted:

Imagine if they had gone a similar route and instead of action movies it was just one Terminator every time and normal humans trying to stop it; trying to bury it in a cave-in, flatten it with a steamroller, rip it apart with magnets, etc.

Cave Men Versus The Terminator

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

redshirt posted:

Cave Men Versus The Terminator

Reminds me of Demolition Man when they call John Spartan a caveman.

New direction for the Terminator franchise: in the utopian future a forgotten Terminator wakes up and they bring Sarah forward in time because nobody has any idea how to fight it.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
They send a Terminator all the way back to try and reason with God to get him to not make man in the first place. It's 90 minutes of a t-800 sitting in the lotus position asking "why" over and again in response to God's answers.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






My Dinner With Arnie

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Funky See Funky Do posted:

They send a Terminator all the way back to try and reason with God to get him to not make man in the first place. It's 90 minutes of a t-800 sitting in the lotus position asking "why" over and again in response to God's answers.

The Buddha was a Terminator but renounced the whole "terminatin" business.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

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Funky See Funky Do posted:

They send a Terminator all the way back to try and reason with God to get him to not make man in the first place. It's 90 minutes of a t-800 sitting in the lotus position asking "why" over and again in response to God's answers.

https://youtu.be/XminlVhLma4?si=QKrsE1SObSQGbuC0

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007


lol

"Thou shall not miss this movie"

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MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

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Big Bizness
Jun 19, 2019

Watched T2 again the other night and noticed that the T1000 has grown a third arm in the helicopter chase scene in order to reload his gun and fly the chopper at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQH7wnwBxYw @ 1:57

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Big Bizness posted:

Watched T2 again the other night and noticed that the T1000 has grown a third arm in the helicopter chase scene in order to reload his gun and fly the chopper at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQH7wnwBxYw @ 1:57

After you see it, you can't help but notice that he's got an extra hand in the following shots. Like the profile shot of the T1000 where he's firing the gun outside of the windshield, you notice he has two right hands.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
R1 and T2 are so god damned good.

combined with Alien and Aliens, the best 1/2 punches in probably all of cinema for my money.

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Young Freud posted:

After you see it, you can't help but notice that he's got an extra hand in the following shots. Like the profile shot of the T1000 where he's firing the gun outside of the windshield, you notice he has two right hands.


There is a short sequence at 1:58 where you can see he has 4 arms/hands; 2 for steering and 2 for reloading.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






The T-1000 actually has four arms in that shot, the fourth one is largely obscured by the door and window frame:



Which makes sense since you need both hands to control a helicopter.

efb but I included a visual aid so there :mad:

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Big Bizness
Jun 19, 2019

Presumably the T-1000 obeys the laws of thermodynamics and cannot create additional mass, only reconfigure itself. Maybe it's using some of the liquid metal that's usually reserved for its legs for the additional pair of arms for the helicopter scene.

Conversely, maybe it could have temporarily sacrificed its arms for another set of legs while it chased John Connor instead of sticking to the bipedal humanoid form. I have no idea how you would visualize this without it looking ridiculous.

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Sarah Connor hides out in the woods.

She encounters a black bear.

Relieved that it's not a strange man, she lets her guard down.

Bear morphs into T-1000 & cuts her head off.

:tbear:

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

Big Bizness posted:

Presumably the T-1000 obeys the laws of thermodynamics and cannot create additional mass, only reconfigure itself. Maybe it's using some of the liquid metal that's usually reserved for its legs for the additional pair of arms for the helicopter scene.

Conversely, maybe it could have temporarily sacrificed its arms for another set of legs while it chased John Connor instead of sticking to the bipedal humanoid form. I have no idea how you would visualize this without it looking ridiculous.

I always assumed it created either hollow spaces or sacrificed density for volume by becoming sponge-like.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


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Big Bizness posted:

Presumably the T-1000 obeys the laws of thermodynamics and cannot create additional mass, only reconfigure itself. Maybe it's using some of the liquid metal that's usually reserved for its legs for the additional pair of arms for the helicopter scene.

Conversely, maybe it could have temporarily sacrificed its arms for another set of legs while it chased John Connor instead of sticking to the bipedal humanoid form. I have no idea how you would visualize this without it looking ridiculous.
I've been wondering why he didn't make little bits of himself into daggers that he hurled with insane accuracy and velocity. There's little downside since he can reabsorb them later.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



It would be fun to take a visit to the parallel reality where The Terminator got a bunch of lower rent lower concept sequels sooner, and instead of a sci-fi blockbuster it's a slasher franchise and he's more like Freddy or Jason.

The personage of Arnie as a rising superstar probably helped shape the direction of things both in terms of script and scope. In that universe maybe they give Henrickson the role. Man I'd love to see his screen test/audition apparently it was amazing.

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




Zugzwang posted:

I've been wondering why he didn't make little bits of himself into daggers that he hurled with insane accuracy and velocity. There's little downside since he can reabsorb them later.

Doesn't the T-1000 in Genisys do this?

Or maybe I'm thinking of the <whatever> in Dark Fate?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Sockser posted:

Doesn't the T-1000 in Genisys do this?

Or maybe I'm thinking of the <whatever> in Dark Fate?

Yeah he makes a javelin out of some of his mass.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Owlbear Camus posted:

Yeah he makes a javelin out of some of his mass.

:same:

Diabetic
Sep 29, 2006

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I'm currently watching Sarah Connor Chronicles and that show is actually really good. The plot point of time traveling to 2007 is kinda dumb because everything they're doing in 2007 they can do in 1999 but it's whatever. SCC has a lot of the "grit" I feel like the later Terminators miss from T1 & 2. The Terminators are all loving threats, normal weaponry is just going to slow it down a little, in most cases, the only reason they even get away is due to Cameron being the plot device.

Watching SCC renewed my interest in the series, I know enough about Genisys and Dark Fate but never actually saw them. My wife's uncle who's obsessed over T1 & T2 was impressed with my own knowledge outdoing his own on the series and he's got a literal shrine to the series in his home including uniforms worn by the Resistance Fighters in the future.

I've heard that James Cameron is trying to reboot the series as a whole and I wonder what would be done different? I personally, would rather they not focus on the threats coming from time travel as it's something that becomes the main macguffin in the whole series. Originally, the whole time travel element was out of desperation, Reese is sent back after the first Arnold, while John/whoever reprograms another Arnold unit to send to a different time frame after the prototype T-1000, really, that should be it, we shouldn't get more variations of them because the Future War is just going on in perpetuity with constant time travel agents going into different time frames as Judgement Day is moved backwards and forwards.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
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All Terminator media, but especially Genisys and TSCC touch upon there being several different timelines and the T1 -> Future War -> T1 -> Future War loop having happened several times. Cameron doesn't really need to reboot it, he can just jump to another timeline that could or could not acknowledge what we have seen before, and possibly even tie up some loose ends.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Just please god make a Terminator film whose basic premise isn't "John Connor has died" or "John Connor dies at the end" or "John Connor dies and is replaced by a robot" or anything of the sort.

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