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thin blue whine posted:Are there any other instances of Games WOKEshop doing more lore reveals or retcons on things like what's happened with the Custodes? Off the top of my head: - New models getting introduced does this near constantly (the Rogal Dorn has just been around for millennia even though it was only released two years ago). - The entire Necron lore getting torn down and rewritten. - Timing for the Fall of the Eldar just got shunted from "forever ago" to "after the Dark Age of Technology" which is just the mother of all headaches. - There are now two Wars in Heaven. - Something about T'au Ethereals and mind control.
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Chucat posted:Off the top of my head: wut
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yeah it was the warp storm created by the opening of the Eye of Terror that caused Old Night and reduced to humanity to disparate groups surviving on their individual worlds, who would eventually be reunited by the Emperor during the Great Crusade.
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Apr 24, 2024 13:19
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orkz keep winning
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The Eldar had an absolutely massive fuckoff empire that did things like use stars as lightbulbs for fun. They hosed up and made Slaneesh which blew up their whole empire and they're now just an old dying race. If this happened in the stone age or however long ago, it makes sense. But it gets moved to the point AFTER humanity also have an absolutely massive fuckoff empire that does things like use their robot butlers to rewind time so they can catch Frasier live, if I remember right, they don't ever interact. It's just handwaved away at this point though.
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They literally cant lose "Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!"
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Chucat posted:The Eldar had an absolutely massive fuckoff empire that did things like use stars as lightbulbs for fun. They hosed up and made Slaneesh which blew up their whole empire and they're now just an old dying race. If this happened in the stone age or however long ago, it makes sense. But it gets moved to the point AFTER humanity also have an absolutely massive fuckoff empire that does things like use their robot butlers to rewind time so they can catch Frasier live, if I remember right, they don't ever interact. I don't think we know humanity was an empire before Old Night. Humans were all over the place, but beyond banning together to fight the robots and ban AI, it's never stated that humanity was one single polity. By that pint Eldar had already descended into depravity, and we know that the bulk of their species was just hanging around near their home system, fuckin'. It's not unreasonable that humanity was able to expand through the galaxy because by that point the Eldar just straight up didn't care. We were like rats taking over a disused vacation house while the owners were busy at home, fuckin'.
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Most of that makes a fair bit of sense actually.
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gw retcons often slap because they get 3, 4, 5 tries at it
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Gripweed posted:yeah it was the warp storm created by the opening of the Eye of Terror that caused Old Night and reduced to humanity to disparate groups surviving on their individual worlds, who would eventually be reunited by the Emperor during the Great Crusade. Wait I thought it was the fall that CLEARED the warp storms that locked Terra down, and humanity had fallen beforehand due to the AI war, rampant psycher explosions and the rise of the Enslavers. If the fall of the Elder caused the warp storms to break up the human federation, what caused the storms to go away? 'Corse I presume both of these are correct in the lore and no one actually knows the truth in universe now.
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Comstar posted:Wait I thought it was the fall that CLEARED the warp storms that locked Terra down, and humanity had fallen beforehand due to the AI war, rampant psycher explosions and the rise of the Enslavers. If the fall of the Elder caused the warp storms to break up the human federation, what caused the storms to go away? see, that's the second retcon, we're de facto in the fourth
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Apr 24, 2024 14:52
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Chucat posted:Off the top of my head: Did the Necrons used to be more genetic T-800 types? I don't remember any Egyptian theming to them when they seemed to appear about the time I was drifting away as a kid.
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Disco Pope posted:Did the Necrons used to be more genetic T-800 types? I don't remember any Egyptian theming to them when they seemed to appear about the time I was drifting away as a kid. they were first introduced as a picture of "chaos androids", then they were non-chaos t-800 types, then they ate a retcon to be robot tomb kings (when they got character models), and then they got some novels which depicted them as tomb kings with even more dementia ironically, far more popular now than tomb kings ever were
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From the Get go Necrons used various pyramids so they were always kinda egypt coded although lightly. Latley though theyve been hammering it in. They were hinted at first i think in GorkaMorka (the Mad Max Ork game) where there was a massive pyramid that orks would just disappear at if they got too close. Hihohe fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Comstar posted:Wait I thought it was the fall that CLEARED the warp storms that locked Terra down, and humanity had fallen beforehand due to the AI war, rampant psycher explosions and the rise of the Enslavers. If the fall of the Elder caused the warp storms to break up the human federation, what caused the storms to go away? The warp storms naturally abated. I think that’s the reason the Emperor launched the Great Crusade when he did, he had to wait for the Warp to calm down.
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Disco Pope posted:Did the Necrons used to be more genetic T-800 types? I don't remember any Egyptian theming to them when they seemed to appear about the time I was drifting away as a kid. Scarabs were a unit to begin with, there was some at the start. God, the original Destroyer model was ridiculous.
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scroll down a bit on this one to see it https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/08/necrons-through-the-ages/ what i mean by the pre-tomb-kings-in-space is the "ctan actually control them all" era bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Disco Pope posted:Did the Necrons used to be more genetic T-800 types? I don't remember any Egyptian theming to them when they seemed to appear about the time I was drifting away as a kid. The current retcon is that those were the mindless low-caste slaves and servitors being woken up first to prepare the ground for their glorious feudal lords who have still managed to retain their personalities and memories, just with robo-Alzheimers. They're funner now.
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Do the Necrons ever crack jokes to each other or are they just eternally super serious and miserable
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the noblemen are like half zany shenanigans and half brutal body horror despair
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Smugworth posted:Do the Necrons ever crack jokes to each other or are they just eternally super serious and miserable There is a book called the Infinite and the Divine, two necron lords in a buddy cop adventure basically, i heard its pretty great.
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Smugworth posted:Do the Necrons ever crack jokes to each other or are they just eternally super serious and miserable Hihohe posted:There is a book called the Infinite and the Divine, two necron lords in a buddy cop adventure basically, i heard its pretty great. Yeah it owns. At one point Trazyn unleashes a brood of Genestealers at Orikan as a prank.
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Smugworth posted:Do the Necrons ever crack jokes to each other or are they just eternally super serious and miserable There's a necron lord whose schtik is that he was one of the greatest generals they've ever known but is suffering from dementia and views all opponents as variations of battles he's already fought with no knowledge of his current state as a soulless robot. He'll do things like take captive generals back to the flagship to feast them in honor of their worthy combat and not in the way where they're all insane and eating each other, he just has a banquet for some poor imperial bastard who can't understand what's happening or why the robots have piles of food in front of them. He wins so much that no one has been able to coup him even though his underlings are sick of it. Well, plus he has an insanely competent and sane bodyguard. He's been in a few short stories/books and it's heavily implied but not outright stated that the dementia is a ruse to downplay his competence enough so that he's not seen as a serious threat by any ruling dynasties. For an entire book of Necrons being hilarious, may I recommend The Infinite And The Divine, which features everybody's favorite Trazyn the Infinite vs Orikan the Diviner as they attempt and fail to kill and/or embarrass each other over millions of years.
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Gripweed posted:Yeah it owns. At one point Trazyn unleashes a genestealer that ends up dooming the planet they're on at Orikan as a prank.
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If Orikan hadn’t let one get away it would have been fine!
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oh for those not up on Trayzn: so as the dormant necrons were waking up one powerful dynasty in particular suffered a series of catastrophes that basically meant rule and ownership devolved to a museum curator. Said museum curator finds himself at the head of an enormous army headquartered in a dyson sphere and goes gently caress it, gonna build the absolute best museum I can. quote:Dear Lady, let me express my fulsome appreciation for your most generous gift. It is so very rare to discover another of my own kind that appreciates my work, therefore to find understanding amongst a member of another race is nothing short of a revelation. I realise that you briefly trod my galleries, but the fact that you spotted in so short a time that my Acabrius War collection was lacking three regiments of Catachan warriors reveals that you truly have a collector's eye for detail. And to send five regiments! Such generosity will allow me to weed out and replace a few of the more substandard pieces in my collection. If I might level a minor criticism, the instructions issued to your gift were manifestly not as clear as you thought, as most of them had to be forcibly restrained -- sadly it seems that the lower orders will always behave like an army of invasion, whether that be their purpose or not. However, this is a minor complaint and seems almost churlish under the circumstances, so please allow me to repay your gift with one of my own. Accompanying this message is the Hyperstone Maze, one of a series of Tesseract Labyrinths constructed at the height of the Charnovokh Dynasty. It is a trinket really, only of interest to scholars such as you and I, but I trust you will find it amusing -- assuming you have the wit to escape its clutches, of course." he is one of the best characters to come out of 40k period
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Infinite and the divine rules, I think there's a scene where Orokin and Trazyn are having what is described as an epic scifi slap fight but if you actually work out the terms they're using they're moving at the speed of like two old dudes with walkers
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My only complaint about this is giving Horus (Horusia?) hair. Totally destroys what made him/her the best, that big, beautiful, bald dome.
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Benagain posted:There's a necron lord whose schtik is that he was one of the greatest generals they've ever known but is suffering from dementia and views all opponents as variations of battles he's already fought with no knowledge of his current state as a soulless robot. He'll do things like take captive generals back to the flagship to feast them in honor of their worthy combat and not in the way where they're all insane and eating each other, he just has a banquet for some poor imperial bastard who can't understand what's happening or why the robots have piles of food in front of them. He wins so much that no one has been able to coup him even though his underlings are sick of it. Well, plus he has an insanely competent and sane bodyguard.
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east asian normative beauty standards are not cool w bald women. trust me barely even cool w bald men. witness the increasingly ridiculous combovers salarymen get
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"does horus lupercal work with a salaryman combover" => no "does roboute guilliman work with a salaryman combover" => they shoulda had the model w a combover in the first place. maybe a very tiny pocket protector and slide rule
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Anyone thinking of checking out Infinite and Divine should get the audiobook version so they can listen to the narrator doing old man voices for the whole thing.
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Perturabo shaves his head because he went bald in that very embarrassing way where you still have a big tuft right in the front.
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All the Necron units are sentient right? Like they all used to be a living breathing person, even the scarabs? I also seem to remember the Necron access to their own sentience or consciousness is capped or bottlenecked depending on where you are on the hierarchy?
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Gripweed posted:By that pint Eldar had already descended into depravity, and we know that the bulk of their species was just hanging around near their home system, fuckin'. in the grimdark future, there are only bikini ladies       trigger warning: bikini ladies
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thin blue whine posted:All the Necron units are sentient right? Like they all used to be a living breathing person, even the scarabs? I also seem to remember the Necron access to their own sentience or consciousness is capped or bottlenecked depending on where you are on the hierarchy? yes. this is detailed in excruciating body-horror detail in the twice-dead king
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I thought that the grunts got all their sapience burned out of them by a combination of their betters not really bothering to transfer it in the first place (because who needs servants that think for themselves) and whatever they had left being lost to time and comparitively poorer maintenance.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yes. this is detailed in excruciating body-horror detail in the twice-dead king Is the book it's from part of a two book series or a trilogy, I can't remember? I really need to check it out because I've seen and heard so many people talk about how great it is, not including this thread.
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