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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

LanceHunter posted:

It’s a miracle that there isn’t even more weird fetish content in the game. Truly amazing levels of restraint.

I think Slaanesh kinda acted as enough of a release valve to get it all out of their system.

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Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

Taskmaster 2023 Second Place Winner

Grimey Drawer
The handful of nekrons that are either cool, or so crazy that they're cool, are great fun in the serious grimdark. The Silent King is an interesting figure. Otherwise they're mostly bland efficient murder robots but also some of them like wearing people's skins.

Mr Teatime
Apr 7, 2009

Trayzn canonically has gorkamorka in his hoarder museum.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Jimmy Noskill posted:

If it were up to me, the Chaos gods would be a background element that sometimes pops up and burns itself out rather than the primary antagonist of the setting. I’d make the main conflict the Imperium vs xenos and Imperium vs itself, emphasizing how dogmatism and inflexibility make the Imperium its own worst enemy.
The Imperium being its own worst enemy is one the most common plot points. Over Christmas holidays I picked up this short story collection at my parent's place which I had bought as a teenager and forgotten about. Very variable quality, mostly only of any interest if you're already a 40k nerd, some really badly written stories, but a few that shine. Quality aside, not every story is there to make the point that the Imperium is bad, but it comes up a lot, even in the dumb bolter porn siories. Some examples from that book:

- Space marines struggle to win a fight they should win easily due to their dumbass ideas of honor
- Space marines betray the Eldar they're briefly cooperaitng with out of pure xenophobia and paranoia, and as a result, all of them as well as everyone else on the planet die
- A teenager develops psyker powers and becomes easy prey for daemonic possession, because due to Imperial doctrine, instead of anyone helping him they try to kill him and drive him out into the wilderness
- A primitive population of humans altered heavily in the dark age of technology to fit the environment of a planet really want to be in contact with the rest of humanity again, but their existence is hidden by the guardsman who made contact with them because he realizes that they're too different and the Imperium would just destroy them
- A planetary governor has let a cult problem get out of hand and watches his world be consumed by chaos. He reflects that he was in over his head and the only organization that could have dealt with the problem was the Inquisition, but that calling on the Inquisition would have been hardly any better and doom them all the same. He calls Imperial practices murderous and genocidal.

Dumb Sex-Parrot
Dec 25, 2020

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Thing is when you're expecting to use these with several thousand dollars worth of carefully assembled and painted plastic, goofy beer and pretzels doesn't really fit the vibe

Absolutely disagree; you need silly rules to keep your inner grog at bay.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

Absolutely disagree; you need silly rules to keep your inner grog at bay.

I regret to inform you that doesn't work, and there are years of testament to it

Eclipse12
Feb 20, 2008

Exactly how tall are the biggest Titans? I knew they vary in size but it seems like the average one is only around 100 feet tall, which seems kinda meh. They be hiding inside buildings and stuff. But then you look at any art of them and their absolutely enormous, bigger than a mountain with an entire university as a hat. And the books usually refer to a very small crew, just a handful, but it seems you'd have dozens working it. What gives, GW?

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

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Eclipse12 posted:

Exactly how tall are the biggest Titans? I knew they vary in size but it seems like the average one is only around 100 feet tall, which seems kinda meh. They be hiding inside buildings and stuff. But then you look at any art of them and their absolutely enormous, bigger than a mountain with an entire university as a hat. And the books usually refer to a very small crew, just a handful, but it seems you'd have dozens working it. What gives, GW?
100 meters

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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you need to stop listening to any numbers GW puts out except their yearly accounting reports

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Mar 29, 2024

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

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lonelylikezoidberg
Dec 19, 2007

Elukka posted:

The Imperium being its own worst enemy is one the most common plot points. Over Christmas holidays I picked up this short story collection at my parent's place which I had bought as a teenager and forgotten about. Very variable quality, mostly only of any interest if you're already a 40k nerd, some really badly written stories, but a few that shine. Quality aside, not every story is there to make the point that the Imperium is bad, but it comes up a lot, even in the dumb bolter porn siories. Some examples from that book:



That sounds fun do you remember the title of the collection?

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

lonelylikezoidberg posted:

That sounds fun do you remember the title of the collection?
"Let the Galaxy Burn". Most of it is bad to average tbh. There's better 40k stuff out there.

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

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Grimey Drawer
https://m.youtube.com/@ABorderPrince

This guy does readings of the short stories and novellas, excerpts from books, and lectures on famous battles or events(in character, with all the info taken from multiple books), etc. He's definitely done some of the short stories mentioned just above. There's a particular one about a tyranid invasion from the pov of a regular guardsman and its probably one of the more genuinely terrifying 40k things I've read. Not just loving weird and/or niche fetish stuff the author has couched in.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Cornwind Evil posted:

It's a running joke to make fun of the guy in charge of the Ultramarines, Roboute Guilliman's name, rendering it as stuff like "Rowboat Girlyman", but in all honesty we're lucky he's not named Caesar Azurekeen or something like that.

I can't justify this with any joke but that has to be Benson player Robert Guillaume.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
I've always wondered. Like Benson's whole deal was the actual smart person in the room with a bunch of idiots running the government. Which kind of fits Roboute.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Elukka posted:

The Imperium being its own worst enemy is one the most common plot points. Over Christmas holidays I picked up this short story collection at my parent's place which I had bought as a teenager and forgotten about. Very variable quality, mostly only of any interest if you're already a 40k nerd, some really badly written stories, but a few that shine. Quality aside, not every story is there to make the point that the Imperium is bad, but it comes up a lot, even in the dumb bolter porn siories. Some examples from that book:

- Space marines struggle to win a fight they should win easily due to their dumbass ideas of honor
- Space marines betray the Eldar they're briefly cooperaitng with out of pure xenophobia and paranoia, and as a result, all of them as well as everyone else on the planet die
- A teenager develops psyker powers and becomes easy prey for daemonic possession, because due to Imperial doctrine, instead of anyone helping him they try to kill him and drive him out into the wilderness
- A primitive population of humans altered heavily in the dark age of technology to fit the environment of a planet really want to be in contact with the rest of humanity again, but their existence is hidden by the guardsman who made contact with them because he realizes that they're too different and the Imperium would just destroy them
- A planetary governor has let a cult problem get out of hand and watches his world be consumed by chaos. He reflects that he was in over his head and the only organization that could have dealt with the problem was the Inquisition, but that calling on the Inquisition would have been hardly any better and doom them all the same. He calls Imperial practices murderous and genocidal.

yeah. i like the imperium because its a "realistic" galactic empire if it got big and powerful enough that it kinda whiped out its rivals and is now just dying a slow death with no one at the wheel. its decadent slowly dying shithole that hosed itself 10k years ago because Big E bought into his own bullshit to hard. one of my favorite backtory details is that the horus heresy(the big imperium civil war in the yee old past) was planned to a degree, the primarchs who were gently caress up morons or super monsters were gonna eventually turn against Big E and then get wipped out by the better ones. the issue is his favorite betrayed him

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Eclipse12 posted:

Exactly how tall are the biggest Titans? I knew they vary in size but it seems like the average one is only around 100 feet tall, which seems kinda meh. They be hiding inside buildings and stuff. But then you look at any art of them and their absolutely enormous, bigger than a mountain with an entire university as a hat. And the books usually refer to a very small crew, just a handful, but it seems you'd have dozens working it. What gives, GW?

Realistically they're however big and powerful the author wants them to be, as with most things in 40k lore.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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A Border Prince rules

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

Taskmaster 2023 Second Place Winner

Grimey Drawer
I enjoyed a Z plot in one of the heresy books about a chaos titan princeps(main pilot) that's losing control of his mech for various reasons. He gets convinced to partake in a joint ritual to Khorne to get his machine possessed by a daemon and his ability to interface with the titan will be fully restored. Long story short after he loves his new and mighty daemon engine, it locks him into the throne with bone spikes and IV stuff to make him a living corpse puppet stuck inside its skull. Lol, didn't expect that one, didja dummy?!

Oh yeah, the other pilots in possessed mechs are in and out of consciousness, covered in poo poo and piss because they've been inside them and actively fighting for weeks and months, some of them are dead but the princeps keeps hearing them obey instructions, etc.

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
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Charles Bukowski posted:

I enjoyed a Z plot in one of the heresy books about a chaos titan princeps(main pilot) that's losing control of his mech for various reasons. He gets convinced to partake in a joint ritual to Khorne to get his machine possessed by a daemon and his ability to interface with the titan will be fully restored. Long story short after he loves his new and mighty daemon engine, it locks him into the throne with bone spikes and IV stuff to make him a living corpse puppet stuck inside its skull. Lol, didn't expect that one, didja dummy?!

Oh yeah, the other pilots in possessed mechs are in and out of consciousness, covered in poo poo and piss because they've been inside them and actively fighting for weeks and months, some of them are dead but the princeps keeps hearing them obey instructions, etc.

heres an excerpt, and its metal as gently caress :black101: (also a little bit gross)

quote:

For months now, her physical world had been wholly in the confines of the Hindurah's cockpit. She escaped it only by blending her senses with her engine's, living through its eyes and its guns, feeling Hindurah's movement as her own. When had Ulienne last breath fresh air instead of the sweaty reek coming out of the filtration slits behind her head? When had she last drunk anything but the recycled piss of her closest comrades? When had she last moved from her control throne?

Ulienne breathed in, catching the smell of her own poo poo. Her output filters had failed... when? Days ago? Weeks ago? Her legs were caed with her own waste. Her uniform was patchy with vomit that stank of stale nutrient paste. Once noticed, the stench of the various filths crusting her to her throne was omnipresent. Practically overwhelming.

Blearily, she caught sight of her own arm. Her hand was a black claw, fused to the metal-

'My princeps?'

Jolted from her reverie, she turned her gummy eyes towards Otesh. 'Moderatus,' she acknowledged. Sands of Mars, but she was tired, so drat tired.

'Awaiting your orders, my princeps.'

Ulienne stared at her crewmate. Otesh was carrion, her skin sick and sunless, her eyes dry. Ulienne could smell her now too, the spoiled meat sweetness of her. She'd been dead at least a week, even before they attempted the climb. At some point before she'd died, the moderatus had bitten off through her own tongue. Flies were growing fat on her face, crawling in and out of her open mouth.

Ulienne opened her eyes. Or closed them. The dream stopped, or perhaps started again. She wasn't sure which, nor was she sure if it really mattered anymore.

'My princeps?' Otesh said again.

'You're dead,' Ulienne said. Or thought. She couldn't tell if she was speaking or thinking. Even banked, Hindurah's reactor was pressing at the back of Ulienne's mind; a constant pressure right in the grey meat of her skull. 'Are you dead, Otesh?'

'My princeps?' Ulienne heard the words or imagined hearing them. They were spoken by Otesh or by the thing wearing Otesh's skin or they weren't spoken at all.

Ulienne felt wet warmth on her face. She was weeping. Or she was bleeding from her eyes again.

'Walk,' she said, closing her hands around the arms of her control throne. She felt and heard her gloves creak. She was still wearing them. Her hands weren't black claws melded to metal. They weren't. They weren't. Though she couldn't bring herself to look to make sure.

'We walk. Advance with the horde.

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Thing is when you're expecting to use these with several thousand dollars worth of carefully assembled and painted plastic, goofy beer and pretzels doesn't really fit the vibe

Did you really see the expensive high grade models and thought "surely the price reflects the quality of the game and not the miniatures themselves"?

ChickenHeart
Nov 28, 2007

Take me at your own risk.

Kiss From a Hog
40k Titans rule because they're ancient, irreplaceable war machines that are revered as the pinnacle of advanced engineering by their respective factions, wielding armaments capable of annihilating cities and blasting star ships out of the sky

Then they step on some uneven terrain, get in a fight with a really big dinosaur, or an ork on a bike does a sick jump to crash through the cockpit and the whole thing falls over and bursts into flames - the perfect encapsulation of Warhammer's "style and majesty at the cost of everything else" mindset

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

thank you for recognizing how sick the ork's jump actually was

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

Taskmaster 2023 Second Place Winner

Grimey Drawer

ChickenHeart posted:

40k Titans rule because they're ancient, irreplaceable war machines that are revered as the pinnacle of advanced engineering by their respective factions, wielding armaments capable of annihilating cities and blasting star ships out of the sky

Then they step on some uneven terrain, get in a fight with a really big dinosaur, or an ork on a bike does a sick jump to crash through the cockpit and the whole thing falls over and bursts into flames - the perfect encapsulation of Warhammer's "style and majesty at the cost of everything else" mindset

That story about the mega dinosaur planet owns and I loved every moment of the tech priests getting absolutely clowned.

There's one about an ork warboss that won multiple 1v1s with imperial knights. The warboss was not in a mek.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
my favorite factions are the sisters, the admech, the guard and the nids, also some chaos.

sisters are neat because they are kinda the most hosed up and awful people outside the inquestion but i like the idea of a bunch of nuns just singing hymnals as they get into titanic hell fights.

Admech are fun because they are probably the most advanced of the imperium but also backwards and gently caress and their are lots of good stories with them.

Guard are great because are your everyday man and woman fighting against eldrich horros

tyranids because they are kinda scary as gently caress,

and chaos it depends on the author.

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

All of the Necron characters with novels own so far

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

sharknado slashfic posted:

All of the Necron characters with novels own so far

yeah necrons are great. rober rath loving owns.

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

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Grimey Drawer
Orks are da best enemies because it's never edgelordy chaos or boring eldar, it's just violence and funny dumb poo poo that just works. They don't usually get to win in stories, and those ones aren't so funny. Usually a guard regiment trudging through a swamp world to hunt orks and does not have a good time when it gets to melee range.

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Ok so in the 41st Millennium mankind can navigate the Warp because of the Astronomicon, the light of the Emperor on Terra, serves as a fixed point in the otherwise inchoate madness of the Immaterium. But what I don’t get is, how did they navigate the Wsrp during the Great Crusade when the Emperor was moving around?

Dumb Sex-Parrot
Dec 25, 2020
best Ork books I've read is Engine of Mork, Evil Sun Rising, and the one with ghazghkull thraka (?). Also a honourable mention of Deff Skwadron, a graphic novel you can read here: http://www.cold-moon.com/40k/Deff%20Skwadron/deff_skwadron.htm

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I regret to inform you that doesn't work, and there are years of testament to it

no idea who those people are giving you that impression but they need to be bullied incessantly

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah necrons are great. rober rath loving owns.

Nate Crowley too. Twice Dead King books were fun.

Use the Monoliths!

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

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Gripweed posted:

Ok so in the 41st Millennium mankind can navigate the Warp because of the Astronomicon, the light of the Emperor on Terra, serves as a fixed point in the otherwise inchoate madness of the Immaterium. But what I don’t get is, how did they navigate the Wsrp during the Great Crusade when the Emperor was moving around?

Maybe he kept the beacon going from all the way across the galaxy? He is the most powerful single entity in the universe when he goes full super saiyan.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Nap Ghost
astronomican is to navigate and was constructed by the emperor right after the unification wars. you can still warp jump without it but you cannot have a galactic imperium without it - it along with navigators makes like, 5000 light year jumps practicable, although you can still jump like 2 light years without it. and he did just power it with his own power

the sacrifices start at the end of the siege

unlike many many other parts of the setting, the absolute dog poo poo state of the transportation of the imperium is lovingly and incredibly detailed. put your gellar shields up, tear open a portal to hell, shove your city-sized spaceship into hell, navigate by weird-rear end mutant navigators staring into hell with their third eye, hopefully pop back out at the other end faster-than-light speed. pray that the demons don't take you. etc

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Mar 29, 2024

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Gripweed posted:

Ok so in the 41st Millennium mankind can navigate the Warp because of the Astronomicon, the light of the Emperor on Terra, serves as a fixed point in the otherwise inchoate madness of the Immaterium. But what I don’t get is, how did they navigate the Wsrp during the Great Crusade when the Emperor was moving around?

So for alot of the war. big E is on the throne to keep the etenrity gate shut because magnus blundered in a blew up his project with the webway. so they started feeding him psychers before that.

Mr Teatime
Apr 7, 2009

Thinking about the ork who went back in time and killed himself so he could have two of his favourite gun. :nsallears:

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Charles Bukowski posted:

Maybe he kept the beacon going from all the way across the galaxy? He is the most powerful single entity in the universe when he goes full super saiyan.

Ok I checked the wiki and it says that’s how it worked.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

So for alot of the war. big E is on the throne to keep the etenrity gate shut because magnus blundered in a blew up his project with the webway. so they started feeding him psychers before that.

Yeah but the Heresy was only 7 years. The preceding Great Crusade went for two centuries, with the Emperor physically off Terra for most of it.

Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

How do the orks achieve ftl travel, then?

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
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Crazy Achmed posted:

How do the orks achieve ftl travel, then?

short answer - the WAAAGH

long answer - the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH, also Space Hulks

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Crazy Achmed posted:

How do the orks achieve ftl travel, then?

no gellar shields, they just fight demons the whole way. and navigation is done by shits and giggles. otherwise the same as the imperium

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Nov 12, 2016

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Crazy Achmed posted:

How do the orks achieve ftl travel, then?

If it’s red, it’s gonna go faster

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