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LanceHunter posted:I believe they're already on M42 in the timeline. They're just keeping the 40k name because they know you can't improve on it. It's also canon that they can't actually agree on what year it is
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It kinda goes the other way with the Imperial Guard getting lots of jokes about how much they suck and their gear is cheap crap One lasgun does diddly. Fifty lasguns though? That's a shitton of diddly.
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Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:sounds like fun rules you don't need to take seriously Thing is when you're expecting to use these with several thousand dollars worth of carefully assembled and painted plastic, goofy beer and pretzels doesn't really fit the vibe Age of Sigmar started actually selling when they changed management and released a second edition that got rid of all that poo poo and basically reorganised everything desperately trying to be an actual game. Mr Teatime posted:Chaos owns actually and its not that fascism is necessary because of chaos it’s that literal skull collecting blood berserkers and guys made mainly out of tentacles are somehow less horrifying than the fascist dystopia that is the imperium. It’s also explicitly clear in the setting that the imperium is its own worst enemy and how poo poo it is drives people towards chaos. Took me a while to get that the most dangerous Chaos forces are the Space Marines who defected because they weren't being treated as special and great enough by the Imperium Also the holy books of the Imperium and Chaos are literally written by the same guy
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LanceHunter posted:It’s a miracle that there isn’t even more weird fetish content in the game. Truly amazing levels of restraint. I think Slaanesh kinda acted as enough of a release valve to get it all out of their system.
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Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:Absolutely disagree; you need silly rules to keep your inner grog at bay. I regret to inform you that doesn't work, and there are years of testament to it
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Orks also like to bolt giant effigies of toothy maws onto the front of their hulks to scare the daemons away, and since that's exactly the logic both daemons and orks work on, it sometimes works. Or they just get in-flight entertainment. Apparently GW occasionally concedes that Chaos corrupted Orks can happen, but it's pretty rare and also usually pretty hard to tell them apart from regular Orks anyway, especially in the case of Khorne. Gork and Mork just already fill their spiritual needs perfectly. Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. i like the imperium because its a "realistic" galactic empire if it got big and powerful enough that it kinda whiped out its rivals and is now just dying a slow death with no one at the wheel. its decadent slowly dying shithole that hosed itself 10k years ago because Big E bought into his own bullshit to hard. one of my favorite backtory details is that the horus heresy(the big imperium civil war in the yee old past) was planned to a degree, the primarchs who were gently caress up morons or super monsters were gonna eventually turn against Big E and then get wipped out by the better ones. the issue is his favorite betrayed him Yeah, there's some heavy implications that the Space Marines were meant to be temporary and had a built-in expiration date, like the Thunder Warriors before them, and suggestions that the pre-Heresy Space Wolves were a legion built around wiping out other Space Marines for that purpose. The whole deal they have about being the Emperor's chosen warriors who will not know fear and all that poo poo basically makes them extra prone to falling to Chaos out of pride, entitlement and spite if they feel they aren't getting the respect they deserve. There's also some theories that the Golden Throne was meant to have Magnus the Red plugged into it permanently rather than the Emperor himself. Of course everything went so badly wrong and no one even knows what the plan was, because Big E is just wonderful at communicating and delegating. They have a hard enough time stopping the Imperium's own leadership from running it even more into the ground than before, because every time someone gets enough power they immediately go completely mad with it and set half the Imperium against itself again. And then there's poo poo that's apparently had a huge impact in the setting but was so dire it's only vaguely talked about, like The Harrowing.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Orks don't have enough of a connection to the warp to be controlled by the demon, so the ork gets ball this power but the demon is just along for the ride. Eventually b driving b them insane. How do you even tell
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Oh yeah, Orks are looking for literally any excuse for a fight as a ground state, they'll start civil wars over the silliest poo poo if they're left to their own devices, and anyone easily designated as an Other is a very easy target for that belligerence. Orks may be the comic relief but they're still plenty of kinds of horrifying; for one, they have no concept of a civilian or noncombatant. One more funny thing is that out of every faction's giant robots, Ork Gargants are, arguably, actually the most practical and sensible designs; they tend to have large feet or treads to spread out their weight and avoid sinking into the ground, often armored skirts to protect the moving parts, and large crews with dedicated teams for individual sections and systems. They also function as walking avatars of Gork and Mork, locuses of WAAAAAAAGH! energy that inspire and entertain all Orks on the battlefield.
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Eclipse12 posted:Just read about penitent engines and... yikes. Reminded how someone was playing a LANCER game in the 40k setting with its many flavours of mech, and was bummed they didn't find out about Penitent Engines until afterwards because they'd perfectly fit what someone wanted to play. Presumably fluffed for a Manticore.
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Ciaphas Cain is famously pretty much Flashman 40k, but hey, steal from the best. Speaking of, this is probably canon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfYx_013UuY
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Vampire Panties posted:its because they had a literal Iron Cage match, and the Iron Warriors were winning until lol the Iron Cage, that's a fun one. And a grand execution of a classic gambit.
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Charles Bukowski posted:Who would have thought a secret doom fortress was actually just mile upon mile of killing corridors and death traps to murder them all? Though.. why didn't they just have the whole thing explode when Dorne got there? Ah that's no fun I guess. Not nearly as fun as letting him have to live with that, no. I love how insanely vicious and brutal the Heresy was, and I get the feeling it's if anything still not quite as bloody and messy as civil wars tend to be irl, with unpredictable betrayals, venting old grudges and sheer chaos (no pun intended) as allies become enemies and suddenly the battle lines are a total mess.
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Kinda funny that GW has had a massive upshot of sales but I'm not sure how much is actually credit to the fancy new deluxe model Space Marines vs just actually getting their poo poo together with everything else.Dapper_Swindler posted:Yeah. Cain is also not a coward, just has enough brain to feel fear but also a gently caress ton of impostor syndrome. I feel like amberly would have blasted him if he was an actual coward. I get the vibe he's just got a pretty well functioning fight-or-flight reflex and is also having to constantly calculate the risk of the threat in front of him vs behind him.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:my view is tau are basicaly realitically lovely instead of comically super awful. its like a high tech neoliberal space empire with light caste systems but mostly good living standards and everyone is fine as long as they follow the rules. which sucks and would be a bad guy in like star trek but in 40k, its mostly "fine". Yeah, the joke with the Tau is that from day one they'd be the bad guys in Star Trek and most other kinds of shows, since they're still an imperialist caste system where one caste is clearly more equal than the others, but in 40k they look like the Federation in comparison to everyone else. Dapper_Swindler posted:not yet. their souls are too small. but apperently a military force of them got spooked when a giant collective monster of made of up the non tau speices concept of the greater good personified or something. IIRC there's a bit of Tau in there, since they do have a Warp presence, it's just the bare minimum. I think it's mentioned somewhere that Tzeentch daemons have taken an interested in possessing Tau; it might be difficult and for seemingly little immediate reward, but their society has no idea how to handle it at all and gives them lots of opportunity to gently caress things up. Kinda funny that humans basically have the highest variance of psychic ability of all the species; Eldar are well above average by default, and Orks are also pretty much all fairly psychic, but humans are on literally every level of the scale from Alpha Psykers to Omega Pariahs, the anti-psykers. (Jurgen is strongly implied to be a blank, iirc)
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Also funny thing is that, doctrine, equipment and tactics wise, the Tau actually map closest to modern day warfare and tactics; using combined arms mobile warfare with emphasis on coordination, communication and technology, use of HUDs and drones (GW was ahead of the curve on that one) and at least in theory a focus on the overall goal rather than ideas of honourable last stands or whatever.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:The notion that I remember from the first codex is that they value life, so they don’t want to throw away Tau lives needlessly through dumb close combat. In addition to yeah they are smart and understand tactics. They also understand that they just naturally suck at close combat, and their stats on tabletop reflect that. Even human auxiliaries with the same kit as Fire Warriors are better. There's a series of novels from the Tau perspective and apparently for human antagonists they created a Guard regiment clearly based on the Confederacy, with even more racist than usual overtones and ridiculous Biblical names. Most IG armies are based on historical armies, at various stages, for crossover appeal to the historical miniatures crowd.
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Reading old 2000AD is fun because you can see where Warhammer got it all from in the first place. Nemesis the Warlock is pretty much where they nicked everything from. Also a fun one where the humans are antagonists, and the hero is the titular warlock who clowns on their xenophobic theocracy and I'm pretty sure fucks human women. And he's a magic alien space dragon.
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Just make friends with a 3D printer guy like you do with boat and horse people
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Rather like how the new AdMech stuff looks like it comes out of another genre. Kinda the whole theme that they hoard technology and ideas from the rest of the Imperium that no one else even remembers exists.
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Funny thing is that I'm pretty sure there's a good chunk of Dark Eldar that would love to talk about the process in far too much detail. They once captured Fabius Bile, of the Emperor's Children, the Chaos Space Marine mad scientist who wears a lab coat made of human skin. They got along so well they exchanged notes and let him go.
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QuarkJets posted:wait no one told me ducktales was in this setting Scrooge McDuck as a Rogue Trader absolutely tracks.
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One of the big problems with Sigmar is in completely destroying the old setting and making it clear it was a distant memory at best destroyed pretty much all the stuff that actually made it interesting. The consistent setting where people actually live, work, and play, the amusement of the geography where the Holy Roman Empire is right not to Dark Ages Arthurian France where the attitude towards guns takes a total flip, hints of distant mysterious poo poo that sometimes eventually gets introduced into the game, and messy edges right at home where you have an Empire that's actually pretty good at getting along with people basically acting as a buffer between elves and dwarves who have ridiculous ancestral grudges. Hard to understate how much Sigmar initially was a trash fire, in presentation, rules and fluff. The attempts at worldbuilding and setting the stage mostly sounding like an overstimulated 8 year old (and not in the good way) going on about A MILLION BILLION SKELETONS and near every faction having ridiculously one-note personalities even by Warhammer standards. And this was all presented proudly, as if it was clearly a massive improvement over the old poo poo no one wanted... right as Total Warhammer was making bank.
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Gripweed posted:Yeah the Fantasy model range was half their product range but allegedly was about 10% of their sales. I think the problem is that Fantasy wasn't selling well simply because GW had been neglecting it for years at that point, barely advertising it or releasing anything new compared to 40k. Age of Sigmar at least got an actual marketing push, but the sales it got were very clearly in spite of its setting stuff, not because of. They didn't gain anything at all from burning the Fantasy setting to the ground and changing all the names to dumber ones. Especially given they clearly just wanted to turn it into another 40k complete with its own Emperor and Space Marines. Also probably significant that Sigmar was one of the last things GW did before they had a change of CEO and basically shook up their entire business model to actually try to make poo poo people liked and market it.
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They are not kidding that Catachan is an entire planet of Rambos, its primarily inhabitants, export, and culture is Rambos
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Don't forget Catachans are also the cast of Predator. (Minus the Predator itself)Vampire Panties posted:there is also a Cobra moon I got mixed up and pictured COBRA, and frankly they'd fit right in, probably as an Alpha Legion catspaw. Really, the whole fun of 40k is that it's built out of unsubtle pop culture ripoffs and pastiches as well as historical, you can make your own army or even subfaction with pretty much whatever aesthetic you want. The Imperial Guard are particularly popular for that, as I said a lot of armies are clearly aimed at crossover with historical wargame fans and history nerds in general. Oddly enough, this actually makes it more stand-out suspicious when someone shows up with what's blatantly a Nazi army, since the ground Imperium aesthetics are already close enough the extra effort is frankly unnecessary. At least especially since the management change GW's been pretty open about how they don't want anything to do with those types and pretty sure it's store and event policy to eject them immediately.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:Necrons are Terminators, Tyranids are Alien Xenonorphs, Orks are... Mad Max antagonists? Yep, you got it. Slaaneshi followers and daemons are Cenobites.
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You are seriously kidding yourself with that marketing demographic phrenology poo poo. There's no real difference, never has been. If they just wanted Sigmarines to sell to the kiddies they could have just added them to Warhammer Fantasy, bringing it back as The Old World is sheepishly admitting that burning the setting to the ground and pissing on the ashes was a completely unforced error on their part that pissed off people who had stuck with it buying their poo poo for years.
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Improbable Lobster posted:why is ferrus manus red Red is the colour of iron, like in your blood cells
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Vampire Panties posted:Foreshadowing being sent to the poison planet Probably, but GW rules have never been known for their excellent refinement or mechanical balance, pretty sure every one of their games has had the same problems at least some of the time.
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Vernii posted:Is there any good lore on what daily life / standard of living is for the average crewman and officers of Imperial warships? Someone post the bit about how the torpedoes are loaded
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That sounds boring as poo poo and the usual way adaptations get hosed up by turning it into the same soap opera garbage all the streaming failkids want to make and bedgrudgingly slap an IP name on and then rage at the nerds for not liking it.
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ilmucche posted:I hope there's no space marines and it's mostly guard, but also orkz fighting nids. The orkz stop fighting the guards when they realise the nids won't ever run away There's literally a corner of the galaxy where nids and orks are in a constant grinding stalemate (and the orks are of course having a ball) but the imperium is worried that sooner or later one side's gonna win and gonna be either very grizzled experienced orks or very well fed nids looking for their next target.
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Just start with Space Marines to get people hooked and then move to Imperial Guard or Adeptus Mechanicus for the people allowed to be characters. Space Marines are entertaining in small doses.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:their margins are comparable to tech companies, so they are better-resourced than you'd expect For at least a while GW was the most profitable company in the UK. Lol they're like the last actual manufacturer there.
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Benagain posted:My personal dumbest thing in 40k lore is that they brought bone swords back. The bone swords that look like swords and are, like every weapon of the tyranids, technically a separate animal. I forget the justification for why the tyranids would have swords and claws at the same time They ate sword dudes to made their own sword dudes who needed swords I wonder if they grow the swords on another Tyranid who sheds them like hair
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Smugworth posted:How are chainswords powered, do they have little chainsaw engines and pull strings or do they use rechargeable batteries. It would suck to have to change a battery in the middle of chopping up big angry orks Given the setting the answer is almost certainly 'either or both, depending'. There's likely a zillion models of chainswords within the Imperium alone.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:the ultramarines are trained exhaustively in ruling and government, so salamanders it is Pretty much the whole deal with Ultramarines is their gimmick is logistics and organisation, so they're boring but hilariously effective in the role that Space Marines have ended up in as semi-independent powers. Even Imperial Fists can manage. IIRC, they actually recruit sometimes from Hive World convicts. Kinda funny that Blood Angels are probably the worst on a bad day but apparently are overall actually among the nicest and even most humble Space Marines- since they know they have major issues, they have a unique measure of humility compared to other brainwashed super-soldiers and can sympathise a little better with human beings.
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Yvonmukluk posted:So the latest Custodes codex has just dropped female Custodes into the canon without any commentary. Just tweaked the existing lore to use gender neutral terms and has some lore blurbs and art with female characters without making a big deal about it. People have been saying for years that it shouldn't be surprising that after all the crazy poo poo that it takes to make Space Marines and especially Custodes, gender is probably barely a factor. It's canon that they look freaky under the armour, and just as well they rarely take it off. Gripweed posted:Thunder Warriors were the crude genetically enhanced super soldiers the Emperor used to conquer Terra and unite the techno-barbarian tribes. They were stronger than Space Marines but lacked other enhancements and were specifically designed to have short life spans so there wouldn’t be many hanging around after the Emperor controlled the entire planet. The first assignment given to the first Space Marines was to wipe out the last Thunder Warriors. And heavy implications that they were right to worry! The Emperor was right about one thing, that monstrous brutal super-soldiers aren't really meant for or good at integrating back into civilian life after the war is over.
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