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Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Pontificating rear end posted:

Y'all talk about "burden of proof" like Im prosecuting someone in court, it doesn't even apply. There is 0 evidence you dissipate into nothingness when you die, however reincarnation simply implies you live again-- it's NOT the same as "you turn into a butt" which is provably insane. Studies like this are more evidence than you guys have (none):

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26299061/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ly-just-cynics/

Meaning I'm not making this up out of nothing, it's a culturally significant and fairly simple concept that millions or billions of people have believed (however not a single conscious individual has ever believed you will turn into a butt).
Now that I have more evidence than your side, the burden of proof is on you because we get to use that term however we want.

Humans are notoriously dumb and believe all sorts of wild things, sometimes in large numbers. For thousands of years literally every breathing person thought the sun went round the earth, but as it turns out "A lot of people believe a thing" isn't actually evidence for anything other than a lot of people believing a thing.

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Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

StrangersInTheNight posted:

All the arguments for why souls exist generally come down to 'Im scared of the concept that I could stop existing'

And that's the tragedy of being human - that the soul and the body aren't separate things but interconnected. You grow a soul in your body as your body lives, and if you live old enough, that's when you start actually making a really beautiful, well-rounded soul. But the body is fragile and the tragedy of human existence is that right as your soul is finally starting to become a piece of art is when you get snuffed out of existence, and the soul which took a lifetime to cultivate is wiped away like shaking an etch-a-sketch.

You are an ephemeral thing for you to have right here and now. Your life project is building your soul, and the project ends when your life does. But that's ok. We are like flowers blooming in our own seasons. And eventually our season ends.

If souls are flowers what are the bees

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




one day we will find out how to capture the soul upon death and exploit it as an eternal source of labor or fuel

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
How do you think wifi works, smart guy? It's ghosts carrying scrolls

A Tad Ghostal
Dec 2, 2014

residual lives occur when the subdimensional spiders that feed on our brain beans at night accidentally spit up some life lean from a previous prey. the upside of this is it triggers vivid dreams weaved together from the patchwork of lives now connected by the spider thread of psychedelic jazm

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
You just gotta get a one-up, everyone knows this.

naem
May 29, 2011

redshirt posted:

I have some news for you: We've all been dead 1000 years.

This is Hell.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Pontificating rear end posted:

Y'all talk about "burden of proof" like Im prosecuting someone in court, it doesn't even apply. There is 0 evidence you dissipate into nothingness when you die, however reincarnation simply implies you live again-- it's NOT the same as "you turn into a butt" which is provably insane. Studies like this are more evidence than you guys have (none):

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26299061/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ly-just-cynics/

Meaning I'm not making this up out of nothing, it's a culturally significant and fairly simple concept that millions or billions of people have believed (however not a single conscious individual has ever believed you will turn into a butt).
Now that I have more evidence than your side, the burden of proof is on you because we get to use that term however we want.

When you blow out a match, where does the flame go?

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
People that say nothing happens when you die don't need any kind of evidence to support that notion. They're not proposing anything. They're not putting any idea on the table.

The Bible
May 8, 2010

StrangersInTheNight posted:

All the arguments for why souls exist generally come down to 'Im scared of the concept that I could stop existing'

And that's the tragedy of being human - that the soul and the body aren't separate things but interconnected. You grow a soul in your body as your body lives, and if you live old enough, that's when you start actually making a really beautiful, well-rounded soul.

Counterpoint: Boomers.

Jesustheastronaut!
Mar 9, 2014




Lipstick Apathy
When we die, we die. Simple as.

Jesustheastronaut!
Mar 9, 2014




Lipstick Apathy
Daddio

Rubber Chicken
Mar 13, 2024

Devils Affricate posted:

When you blow out a match, where does the flame go?

Someone's always striking a match someplace, it goes there, obviously

Silly to think it just disappears, what a claim!

The Bible
May 8, 2010

Pontificating rear end posted:

Y'all talk about "burden of proof" like Im prosecuting someone in court, it doesn't even apply. There is 0 evidence you dissipate into nothingness when you die, however reincarnation simply implies you live again-- it's NOT the same as "you turn into a butt" which is provably insane. Studies like this are more evidence than you guys have (none):

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26299061/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ly-just-cynics/

Meaning I'm not making this up out of nothing, it's a culturally significant and fairly simple concept that millions or billions of people have believed (however not a single conscious individual has ever believed you will turn into a butt).
Now that I have more evidence than your side, the burden of proof is on you because we get to use that term however we want.

It's actually scientific, not legal, but our specific venue isn't relevant, and a lot of people believing something doesn't make it any more likely to be true.

You made a positive claim, that reincarnation is an existing phenomena. I made a negative claim, that it is not.

The onus is on you, the maker of the positive claim, to either prove it, or to not expect to be taken seriously.

Your claims actually make even less sense if you consider the number of believers to be evidence. Fewer people believe in reincarnation than those that believe that the modern amalgam of three ancient Hebrew deities exists and sends souls to Heaven or Hell upon death. So by your logic, the Heaven/Hell wins out, at least until those beliefs fall out of popularity, in which case reality will then shift to meet the newest popular belief system.

The Bible fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Apr 26, 2024

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Rubber Chicken posted:

Someone's always striking a match someplace, it goes there, obviously

Silly to think it just disappears, what a claim!

I was clearly suggesting that it goes to flame heaven, please don't straw man my argument tia

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

Jesustheastronaut! posted:

When we die, we die. Simple as.

I too embrace Dragoism

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER

Jesustheastronaut! posted:

When we die, we die. Simple as.

Not me bro.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Just got back from the afterlife. I'm sorry to say but Heaven's legislature has just passed new regulation which means even more paperwork on entry. You're looking at a couple of millenia of paperwork before they even let you in the door.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Embrace Bushido

naem
May 29, 2011

kntfkr posted:

Not me bro.

death, it’s a mugs game

Rubber Chicken
Mar 13, 2024

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Just got back from the afterlife. I'm sorry to say but Heaven's legislature has just passed new regulation which means even more paperwork on entry. You're looking at a couple of millenia of paperwork before they even let you in the door.

I'll just reincarnate instead then. Definitely no bullshit paperwork here on earth

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
Reincarnation is very immortal-phobic. Immortals are absolutely a thing that exist, and you can just google and see how many people believe it to be true.

So really we need to collectively cancel reincarnation.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

What if there were some spiritual organization out there dedicated to collecting souls before they had a chance to reincarnate?

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
Do you mean like the Ghostbusters?

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER

redshirt posted:

Embrace Bushido

Press the select button to do your special move.

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Just got back from the afterlife. I'm sorry to say but Heaven's legislature has just passed new regulation which means even more paperwork on entry. You're looking at a couple of millenia of paperwork before they even let you in the door.

Do I have to bring my own pen

Pac and Cheese
Oct 29, 2010

gotta walk fast
i think we're finally ready to address the abby & brittany situation

Pontificating Ass
Aug 2, 2002

What Doth Life?
I'm totally over this thread, but ultimately my biggest point would be the universe is 13.7 years old, to our best knowledge, and you will live less than 100 years of it. Most of this time is spent by stars exploding, like snuffed flames, and the higher elements they create spread out, only to enstar before exploding again, release even higher elements to create the building blocks of life. If you completely cease to exist when you die you would be dead right now. Honestly I think you're just trying to make yourselves feel better by thinking your life is so unique and important, and nonperiodic in our cyclical universe :)

Rubber Chicken
Mar 13, 2024

Pontificating rear end posted:

If you completely cease to exist when you die you would be dead right now.

:wtc:

Pontificating Ass
Aug 2, 2002

What Doth Life?

We'll settle the issue with song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRXc_-c_9Xc&t=164s

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

I know it's a little early but are you guys gonna go to the universe's quinceañera?

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Pontificating rear end posted:

I'm totally over this thread, but ultimately my biggest point would be the universe is 13.7 years old, to our best knowledge, and you will live less than 100 years of it. Most of this time is spent by stars exploding, like snuffed flames, and the higher elements they create spread out, only to enstar before exploding again, release even higher elements to create the building blocks of life. If you completely cease to exist when you die you would be dead right now. Honestly I think you're just trying to make yourselves feel better by thinking your life is so unique and important, and nonperiodic in our cyclical universe :)

Were you there, smart guy?

The universe stops when I don't wake up.

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins
We need to settle this once and for all, scientifically. We’re gonna need a lot of three year olds and a lot of death row inmates.

TBLALV
Aug 5, 2022
Anything that I personally see doesn't exist it all goes away when I look away

Rubber Chicken
Mar 13, 2024

TBLALV posted:

Anything that I personally see doesn't exist it all goes away when I look away

On the contrary, everything you aren't looking at is densely packed Hitlers.

Everyone who dies is reincarnated into a Hitler that stays just outside your field of view

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Rubber Chicken posted:

On the contrary, everything you aren't looking at is densely packed Hitlers.

Everyone who dies is reincarnated into a Hitler that stays just outside your field of view

I think I've seen that Dr. Who episode

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

Pontificating rear end posted:

I'm totally over this thread, but ultimately my biggest point would be the universe is 13.7 years old, to our best knowledge, and you will live less than 100 years of it. Most of this time is spent by stars exploding, like snuffed flames, and the higher elements they create spread out, only to enstar before exploding again, release even higher elements to create the building blocks of life. If you completely cease to exist when you die you would be dead right now.

Woah, I didn't realise your biggest point was no point at all lmfao

"We can't just die, the universe is really old" is a bold stance like, "I can't be broke, my employer has been in business for 100 years!"

But you're right, it's everyone else that is trying to feel special lmao

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May 27, 2004



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The pontificating rear end post is a banger. Awesome mind.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Jimbone Tallshanks posted:

I know it's a little early but are you guys gonna go to the universe's quinceañera?

I'm busy.

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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Here's a cool related thought: We are on the 3rd generation of stars. Our Sun is a 3rd generation. The first generation were the very first stars, colossal stars that lived and died exceedingly fast, exploding all across the new Universe, seeding it with heavier elements like carbon, oxygen, even gold, which then partly made up the second generation of stars, which were still huge and exploded all over, but no so much, not all over. And they seeded the new Universe with even more elements, like iron.

And lo, one day a ginormous gas cloud spun fast enough to start spitting out new stars, with little tiny solar systems, all made up of the remains of the previous two generations. And of course still primordial hydrogen, of course. Mostly. The same primordial hydrogen in you right now.

And this became our Sun, our Earth, one day, you and me. Namaste.

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