[Succ] Both sides now chanting "F*** Joe Biden"

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Maed: Aug 23, 2006

americans don't even realize the left wing in the french revolution were liberals, anytime it came up in history class they made it seem like they were devilish socialists as soon as the reign of terror started even though it was libs all the way down. the idea that the left is the group who wants systemic change and the right is the group that wants to keep the system the same never even gets that part into their heads. to american libs the left and right just are two groups who disagree on a couple little things

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Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

Maed posted:

americans don't even realize the left wing in the french revolution were liberals, anytime it came up in history class they made it seem like they were devilish socialists as soon as the reign of terror started even though it was libs all the way down. the idea that the left is the group who wants systemic change and the right is the group that wants to keep the system the same never even gets that part into their heads. to american libs the left and right just are two groups who disagree on a couple little things

you need a left wing and a right wing or the bird can't fly - the extent to which most americans have actually thought about these terms and where they come from

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:17

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

obviously the jacobins weren't marxists, since they pre-dated and couldn't benefit from the revelation of the immortal science, but they dreamed a lot larger than any liberals we've seen since then. i mean, we're talking about dudes who invented their own calendar, units of measurement, religion, and conquered europe

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:19

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

don't worry, deep state, our brave boys will keep letting you spy on us, unconstitutionally

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1781492950586765479

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:21

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

Maed posted:

americans don't even realize the left wing in the french revolution were liberals, anytime it came up in history class they made it seem like they were devilish socialists as soon as the reign of terror started even though it was libs all the way down. the idea that the left is the group who wants systemic change and the right is the group that wants to keep the system the same never even gets that part into their heads. to american libs the left and right just are two groups who disagree on a couple little things

It's particularly funny to see self-described libertarians side against their own ideology in favor of the loving King of France 10 out of 10 times this comes up

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Vim Fuego posted:

Every Nichael post is great forever big time number 1

Exactly!

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:28

Good Soldier Svejk: Jul 5, 2010

Joementum posted:

don't worry, deep state, our brave boys will keep letting you spy on us, unconstitutionally

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1781492950586765479

They'll stay late for domestic surveillance but couldn't be bothered for health care or student debt or climate change or

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Well of course. They get warrant protection, but we peasants don't.

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:33

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

They'll stay late for domestic surveillance but couldn't be bothered for health care or student debt or climate change or

look, there's four quaker grannies in topeka trying to put together a potluck dinner to support palestine and you're just going to let that happen?

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:33

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009; Inverted Offensive Battle: Acupuncture Attacks Convert To 3D Penetration Tactics Taking Advantage of Deep Battle Opportunities

Joementum posted:

look, there's four quaker grannies in topeka trying to put together a potluck dinner to support palestine and you're just going to let that happen?

Great av + post combo

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/jewstein3000/status/1780590066978468134

I think about �Havana Syndrome� a lot and maybe that�s because of my experiences. I was immediately made sick from the air around Ground Zero and told it was safe and to return to work. I never recovered. 1/

Since then I have had such severe chemical sensitivity that I�ve had to move constantly and I�ve been gaslit every single time I�ve pointed out gas leaks, mold, pesticide (and where I could, I�ve always been proven right). 2/

I was exposed to the Dominguez Channel chemical spill in 2021 and knew right away the government was lying about it being caused by natural phenomena (and was proven right). 3/

I�ve been exposed to people feeling the need to downplay environmental exposures my whole life, even before 9/11, as a sensitive person.

With Havana Syndrome, we had people reporting similar symptoms in one building then other buildings. They had in common their employment. 4/

The CIA minimized and denied their claims. That was expected. They did the same with Agent Orange.

Yet for some reason, there is a large group of people overly focused on denying these patients who seem to think it�s a CIA-backed story. 5/

And there are people obsessed with denying the claims of people who experienced so-called �Havana Syndrome,� even though it�s a small group of people, not supported by the govt, not really affecting anyone�s lives, 6/

The point I should have led with is this: The people obsessed with denying Havana Syndrome will hide behind politics, claiming that it�s racist, that it�s a CIA story, etc.

But ultimately I think it�s just about the pleasure people get from disease denial 7/

There are whole Reddit communities around calling people fakers who say they are sick.

Tweets that claim disabled people are lying or exaggerating are almost always popular. It�s sport!! 8/

I think it comes from the internalized ableism that is at the heart of all ableism: denying disease or illness or physical weakness or sensitivities etc is a way to convince yourself that you have control over your body.

Control you don�t have! Sorry. 9/

It�s connected to the Door Dash discourse: leftists claimed they cared so much about workers they had to deny the experience of disabled people who said they needed their food delivered.

But that was a cover.

These same labor activists had nothing to say about consuming produce from exploited farm workers, admitted to eating in restaurants where workers disproportionately died of Covid, etc.

The discourse became almost entirely about how the disabled people had to be lying.

And not surprisingly some of the Doordash folks also think it�s fun to mock Havana Syndrome.

This is why political allegiance is meaningless to most marginalized groups. We see how you use the rhetoric of politics to play your favorite game: punching down.

I also think it�s fallen out of favor on the left to deny Long Covid (though people like Natalie Shure still do) because it�s so widespread and there�s no political cover for it. They can�t claim it�s a fiction by the govt.

So that�s where Havana Syndrome stepped in.

But it�s still popular on the left to deny chronic Lyme, despite major institutions like Johns Hopkins establishing centers to investigate and treat it. And other rare illnesses.

At best, the deniers will hide behind �Big Pharma� to create a political cover story for ableism.

FYI dunno for sure the cause of �Havana Syndrome,� but the US has been developing microwave radiation technology since at least the Cold War and there were examples of known tests of it in the year before Havana Syndrome was named.

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Last I checked, "CIA spook" wasn't a protected minority.

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:55

Jen heir rick: Aug 4, 2004; Can't post for 4 hours!

Al! posted:

he doesnt know what he even means when he says "left"

nobody knows. whether you criticize or praise it, the left is whoever you want it to be.

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Excelzior: Jun 24, 2013

i have a weak constitution therefore the commies have space headache lasers

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:58

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

mcmagic posted:

Would you be upset if Trump loses his Secret Service protection Willa?

It's not gonna happen, mclib, no matter how many losers like you ideate it. But I'm upset that rfk jr. has been denied SS protection even without this fake legislation, given the irony that:

quote:

In addition, any presidential candidates � who have had Secret Service protection since the 1968 assassination of Bobby Kennedy � convicted of a felony would also be denied protection at the taxpayers' expense.

As well as the fact that he's had people break into his home & show up at his speeches sporting guns.

It's beyond the realm of your peabrain to realize that even people you detest deserve to not be assassinated but what can I say? I'm a child of the '60s.

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:58

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Nichael posted:

a lib assassin might try voting against him in front of him

yeah, I think the libs are more psychotic about trump than the chuds are about biden.

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Even if you think that RFK Jr. is a kook, to deny him SS protection is a lovely thing to do; particularly given what happened to his father and uncle.

# ? Apr 20, 2024 02:59

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Willa Rogers posted:

It's not gonna happen, mclib, no matter how many losers like you ideate it. But I'm upset that rfk jr. has been denied SS protection even without this fake legislation, given the irony that:

As well as the fact that he's had people break into his home & show up at his speeches sporting guns.

It's beyond the realm of your peabrain to realize that even people you detest deserve to not be assassinated but what can I say? I'm a child of the '60s.

imagine giving a poo poo if rfk jr has secret service protection lol

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1780593040333410440

the stancil demands exploitation

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Good Soldier Svejk: Jul 5, 2010

Stancil should swallow a pencil sideways

# ? Apr 20, 2024 03:14

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Willa Rogers posted:

yeah, I think the libs are more psychotic about trump than the chuds are about biden.

republicans thinks biden is a leftist

# ? Apr 20, 2024 03:16

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

mcmagic posted:

republicans thinks biden is a leftist

tbf they think this about all dems no matter what

# ? Apr 20, 2024 03:20

Malloc Voidstar: May 7, 2007; Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

https://thespectator.com/newsletter/donald-trump-shock-awe-rnc-cull-cockburn-notes-04-19-2024/

quote:

Congresswoman Elissa Slotkin is poised to become the Democratic nominee for Michigan�s open Senate seat and will likely face Republican Mike Rogers in the general election. And Cockburn�s friends who have worked in Michigan politics say Slotkin will employ whatever tactics necessary to win.

One source passed along a tracker video from Slotkin�s 2018 congressional race, where she unseated incumbent Republican Mike Bishop. For those unfamiliar, trackers are typically employed by rival political organizations and are tasked with following candidates around and documenting all of their public appearances. In this video, Slotkin is seen leaving a political forum in July 2018 as the tracker asks her whether she plans to join the Medicare-for-All Caucus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KTKYIwc5oE

When Slotkin finally gets to her car, she looks pointedly into the camera and says, �How are Sloan and Leroy?�

�How do you know my dog�s names?� the tracker asks in shock, as Slotkin closes her car door.

People who spoke with the tracker after the incident say he was shaken up and thought Slotkin intended to threaten him. The tracker, who passed away not long after the incident, did not have social media at the time and could not figure out how Slotkin learned his dogs� names. He speculated that a girl he had recently met on Tinder was working for her campaign � or that Slotkin�s team had pulled documents from the local humane society, who adopted the dogs out to the tracker.

It might sound crazy, Cockburn�s sources admit, but they also note that Sloktin is ex-CIA and spent three tours in Iraq as an analyst. Slotkin�s campaign did not return a request for comment from The Spectator.

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RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

the guy that went to a union rally isn�t a communist?

# ? Apr 20, 2024 03:26

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Maed posted:

americans don't even realize the left wing in the french revolution were liberals, anytime it came up in history class they made it seem like they were devilish socialists as soon as the reign of terror started even though it was libs all the way down. the idea that the left is the group who wants systemic change and the right is the group that wants to keep the system the same never even gets that part into their heads. to american libs the left and right just are two groups who disagree on a couple little things

this is deliberate. Reactionaries like to draw a through-line from the Jacobins straight to the Bolsheviks

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Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

Reveal thyself, dallas goon

# ? Apr 20, 2024 03:36

paranoid randroid: Mar 4, 2007

heh, slotkin and cockburn

# ? Apr 20, 2024 03:37

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
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Joementum posted:

don't worry, deep state, our brave boys will keep letting you spy on us, unconstitutionally

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1781492950586765479

Has anyone asked Declas what he thinks about this

# ? Apr 20, 2024 03:39

Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1780593040333410440

the stancil demands exploitation

Says the useless trust fund baby

# ? Apr 20, 2024 03:44

World War Mammories: Aug 25, 2006

Uncle Wemus posted:

Reveal thyself, dallas goon

I mean maybe they just really like Twister

# ? Apr 20, 2024 04:00

1glitch0: Sep 4, 2018; I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/jewstein3000/status/1780590066978468134

I think about �Havana Syndrome� a lot and maybe that�s because of my experiences. I was immediately made sick from the air around Ground Zero and told it was safe and to return to work. I never recovered. 1/

Since then I have had such severe chemical sensitivity that I�ve had to move constantly and I�ve been gaslit every single time I�ve pointed out gas leaks, mold, pesticide (and where I could, I�ve always been proven right). 2/

I was exposed to the Dominguez Channel chemical spill in 2021 and knew right away the government was lying about it being caused by natural phenomena (and was proven right). 3/

I�ve been exposed to people feeling the need to downplay environmental exposures my whole life, even before 9/11, as a sensitive person.

With Havana Syndrome, we had people reporting similar symptoms in one building then other buildings. They had in common their employment. 4/

The CIA minimized and denied their claims. That was expected. They did the same with Agent Orange.

Yet for some reason, there is a large group of people overly focused on denying these patients who seem to think it�s a CIA-backed story. 5/

And there are people obsessed with denying the claims of people who experienced so-called �Havana Syndrome,� even though it�s a small group of people, not supported by the govt, not really affecting anyone�s lives, 6/

The point I should have led with is this: The people obsessed with denying Havana Syndrome will hide behind politics, claiming that it�s racist, that it�s a CIA story, etc.

But ultimately I think it�s just about the pleasure people get from disease denial 7/

There are whole Reddit communities around calling people fakers who say they are sick.

Tweets that claim disabled people are lying or exaggerating are almost always popular. It�s sport!! 8/

I think it comes from the internalized ableism that is at the heart of all ableism: denying disease or illness or physical weakness or sensitivities etc is a way to convince yourself that you have control over your body.

Control you don�t have! Sorry. 9/

It�s connected to the Door Dash discourse: leftists claimed they cared so much about workers they had to deny the experience of disabled people who said they needed their food delivered.

But that was a cover.

These same labor activists had nothing to say about consuming produce from exploited farm workers, admitted to eating in restaurants where workers disproportionately died of Covid, etc.

The discourse became almost entirely about how the disabled people had to be lying.

And not surprisingly some of the Doordash folks also think it�s fun to mock Havana Syndrome.

This is why political allegiance is meaningless to most marginalized groups. We see how you use the rhetoric of politics to play your favorite game: punching down.

I also think it�s fallen out of favor on the left to deny Long Covid (though people like Natalie Shure still do) because it�s so widespread and there�s no political cover for it. They can�t claim it�s a fiction by the govt.

So that�s where Havana Syndrome stepped in.

But it�s still popular on the left to deny chronic Lyme, despite major institutions like Johns Hopkins establishing centers to investigate and treat it. And other rare illnesses.

At best, the deniers will hide behind �Big Pharma� to create a political cover story for ableism.

FYI dunno for sure the cause of �Havana Syndrome,� but the US has been developing microwave radiation technology since at least the Cold War and there were examples of known tests of it in the year before Havana Syndrome was named.

I'm excited for the new front opening up in the Culture Wars: Havana Syndrome Acolytes vs. Doordash Drivers.

Tell me you wouldn't watch that Celebrity Deathmatch episode

# ? Apr 20, 2024 04:00

Toph Bei Fong: Feb 29, 2008

loquacius posted:

It's particularly funny to see self-described libertarians side against their own ideology in favor of the loving King of France 10 out of 10 times this comes up

One of the big "Ah ha" moments for me back in college was when a libertarian colleague (like, a serious, won a scholarship from the Koch brothers, chapter president of Students for Liberty libertarian) was was super excited that the prince of Lichtenstein or Luxembourg or some other lovely-imitation-of-Switzerlandtax-haven-country was coming to speak at their conference. He just laughed like I didn't get it when I asked why he was impressed by royalty.

He's now a big bitcoin guy who won't shut up about how it's going to save the economies of South American countries.

SixteenShells posted:

I want to see what happens if this passes and then he wins, because as they wrote this, it denies protection even to a sitting President. The existing text says that the categories 2 through 8 can refuse protection services, but the new text says that protection is denied to categories 1 through 8.

Well, Trump is already living proof that Agent 47/Yor Forger/Kiritsugu Emiya/etc. don't exist in real life

He doesn't strike me as the sort of guy to commit suicide via gunshots to the back of the head in a locked car that also happened to light itself on fire

# ? Apr 20, 2024 04:13

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

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FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

fits my needs posted:

https://x.com/POTUS/status/1781050067593375866

My parents could be on the street dying of hunger and it would serve them right for being abusive lovely people to all of their kids. gently caress em.

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