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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Interestingly in 40k they have Beastmen, much like in Warhammer Fantasy/Age of Sigmar, however unlike in those settings they’re not inherently tied to the Chaos Gods, they’re abhumans like Ogryns or Ratlings. Unlike them, who while second-class citizens are treated with some level of dignity, Beastmen are treated with outright contempt, and while they also get conscripted they’re treated mostly as cannon fodder (which is saying something for the Imperial Guard). Unsurprisingly this mostly drives them into the waiting arms of the Dark Gods.

Heck an interesting detail is that the Horus Heresy put out a free army list for the Imperialis Militia, basically the various planetary defense forces/cultist uprisings/assorted other forces that were drafted into the Heresy. You can take various rules to represent the background of your force and one option is Beastmen auxiliaries, and the mini lore blurb notes that while even in the more ‘enlightened’ 30th millennium that they were just as intelligent and loyal as regular humans. And their descendants are still being driven to the Dark Gods because of humans being dicks.

Honestly one of the major reasons the Tau were able to expand so quickly until the Imperium proper noticed was because they offered an actual improvement on conditions for Imperial citizens. Even if (as per their newest codex) they will sometimes straight up displace entire planetary populations to resettle Tau if they feel the Greater Good demands it. At least you still get to live!

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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


White Coke posted:

One of the other roles the Grey Knights serve is helping clean up after they’ve killed off a daemonic infestation. There was a formation called the Grey Knight Redeemer Force you could take in the Apocalypse expansion for 40K which had a special rule where the other player would gain control of them once they had no Chaos models left. I doubt you’ll do anything like that in the game but it would be lore accurate if there was an epilogue where you had to decide between executing everyone or being merciful and sterilizing them before sending them to die in labor camps.

I wonder if this is where the, um , raw material for the Edict’s servitors is coming from.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


paragon1 posted:

Does this mean they just executed the entire population of Cadia after Black Crusades 1-12 or something?

I imagine Cadia had a planetwide exception. Given how divided the Imperium is there’s probably no standard approach. Or there is but ultimately it’s down to if someone else noticed and wants to do something about it.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


By popular demand posted:

Brother Gregorious, did you notice how we never leave a planet with a triumph and adoring crowds anymore?

-Yes, I think that didn't happen since the Heresy when we stopped taking orders and started enslaving and sacrificing worlds to Chaos.

Correct, and I put it all down to the Imperium getting weak and degenerate!

-I completely agree with your logic.

I mean I don’t think the Iron Warriors got a triumph or adoring crowds even before the Heresy.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Solarium posted:

Episode 7 - Exterminatus Extremis

This episode's mission took place on a planet that was supposedly exterminatused, but still had plenty of standing buildings. Is that possible? Well... maybe?

Exterminatus is, as discussed already, an authority given to higherups in the Imperium, granting them the opportunity to wipe out any and all life on a planet. This is usually to wipe out an infestation of either Chaos or Xenos who are just too difficult to remove the conventional way. This is an option usually used with plenty of caution, for obvious reasons. Nobody wants to go around wiping out the actually important planets.

As for who can order Exterminatus, any Inquisitor, Space Marine Chapter Master, Lord High Admiral, or Lord Commander can do so, but obviously there are people reviewing those prders who may get a little mad if they get overzealous with it. The Ordo Excorum specifically is the group overseeing all Dxterminatus orders as a subset of the Inquisition. Each group has their own preferred ways of doing an Exterminatus. The Nacy loves their orbital bombardments, Space Marines teleport down to leave a present in the form of a giant gently caress off bomb, and the Inquisition gets lots of fun toys to play with which we'll be talking about next.

Onto the question of the hour: would the planet the mission was on still have standing structures? Lets look at some common methods of Exterminatus to decide. This list is going off of all those listed on the Lexicanum page.
That’s a very thorough account.


Of course one might be asking ‘these various superweapons sound expensive, why don’t they drop a rock on them? They don’t cost anything.’

Patrick Marshall posted:

Rocks are NOT ‘free’, citizen.
Firstly, you must manoeuvre the Emperor’s naval vessel within the asteroid belt, almost assuredly sustaining damage to the Emperor’s ship’s paint from micrometeoroids, while expending the Emperor’s fuel.
Then the Tech Priests must inspect the rock in question to ascertain its worthiness to do the Emperor’s bidding. Should it pass muster, the Emperor’s Servitors must use the Emperor’s auto-scrapers and melta-cutters to prepare the potential ordinance for movement. Finally, the Tech Priests finished, the Emperor’s officers may begin manoeuvring the Emperor’s warship to abut the asteroid at the prepared face (expending yet more of the Emperor’s fuel), and then begin boosting the stone towards the offensive planet.
After a few days of expending a prodigious amount of the Emperor’s fuel to accelerate the asteroid into an orbit more fitting to the Emperor’s desires, the Emperor’s ship may then return to the planet via superluminous warp travel and await the arrival of the stone, still many weeks (or months) away.
After twiddling away the Emperor’s time and eating the Emperor’s food in the wasteful pursuit of making sure that the Emperor’s enemies do not launch a deflection mission, they may finally watch the ordinance impact the planet (assuming that the Emperor’s ship does not need to attempt any last-minute course correction upon the rock, using yet more of the Emperor’s fuel).

Given a typical (class Bravo-CVII) system, we have the following:
Two months, O&M, Titan class warship: 4.2 Million Imperials
Two months, rations, crew of same: 0.2 MI
Two months, Tech Priest pastor: 1.7 MI
Two months, Servitor parish: 0.3 MI
Paint, Titan class warship: 2.5 MI
Dihydrogen peroxide fuel: 0.9 MI
Total: 9.8 MI

Contrasted with the following:
5 warheads, magna-melta: 2.5 MI
One day, O&M, Titan class warship: 0.3 MI
One day, rations, crew of same: 0.0 MI
Dihydrogen peroxide fuel: 0.1 MI
Total: 2.9 MI

Given the same result with under one third of the cost, the Emperor will have saved a massive amount of His most sacred money and almost a full month of time, during which His warship may be bombarding an entirely different planet.
The Emperor, through this – His Office of Imperial Outlays – hereby orders you to attend one (1) week of therapeutic accountancy training/penance. Please report to Areicon IV, Imperial City, Administratum Building CXXI, Room 1456, where you are to sit in the BLUE chair.

For the Emperor,
Bursarius Tenathis,
Purser Level XI,
Imperial Office of Outlays.

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 17:26 on May 8, 2024

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Cooked Auto posted:

It's not from a rulebook. Originally it showed up as a reader submission in the Chapter Approved section of White Dwarf during 3rd edition.

Then later on it was reprinted in one of the Chapter Approved books that collected a bunch of alternate army rules, FAQs and other write ups. Can't remember which one specifically of the three ones that came out during the early 00's.

No the question was from a reader, the response was by Jervis Johnson.

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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Cooked Auto posted:

I double checked my book, the text was written by one Patrick Marshall and found by Jervis going by the final page of Chapter Approved 2001.

Huh, I thought he was the one who wrote it! Duly amended.

Given that it was published in multiple official Games Workshop publications, however, it is still canon. :colbert:

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