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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I will probably see and be superficially thrilled by this film but we gotta be real here. You can't say it's timely and evocative, then when asked what it evokes, tell people to shut up. We just went through this with LEAVE THE WORLD BEHIND (executive producers Michelle and Barack Obama). These people are bringing their politics to us, then saying "relax, it's just a movie". Yeah. The superficial thrills really are way better than Leave the World Behind, though. The assault on DC is absolutely spectacular, particularly the sound design. I don't know if it needs the biggest screen you can find, but you wouldn't go wrong finding the loudest. Jewmanji posted:- There was a shot where their SUV drives under an overpass that has "Lets Go Steelers" spraypainted onto it, which elicited a sort of ineffable nostalgia, and then as the car moves from the left part of the frame to the right, my eye moved directly to the bodies that were hanging from that same overpass (which was reminiscent of Sicario). Did anyone else take that frame in the same way? I don't know if it was intentional, but the way my eye moved across the frame felt like a brilliant forced move on Garland's part. I think it may have just been "Go Steelers." But, yeah, my first reaction was that it was neat to see something recognizably Pittsburgh, then you see something hanging from beneath the overpass, are briefly terrified it's a sign that yet another bridge is ready to collapse, and then, phew, it's just some bodies.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Or "chillingly plausible"?? Right? My understanding is that the movie’s set a couple decades in the future - so Garland’s ‘worldbuilding’ is that there’s been like ten straight years of a Trump-mimicking QAnon president, and that means poo poo is crazy!!! Fuckin’ tiki-torch nazis now somehow control a third of the country - just doomer catnip.
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Yes. I did the same thing. Did anyone else notice the lens effect that started after Sammy died? It was like some rainbow on the edges of the screen. It only happens with Lee’s point of view and I’m sure it’s to signal her PTSD. Then after Lee is killed, Jessie has the same thing happen to her but only for a second before she comes to her senses and stands up. Zero One fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Seeing it tomorrow afternoon myself. I figure this is the kind of movie to take in solo given everything that's going on in the world.
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I wondered what the Winter Wonderland in the middle of nowhere scene was all about - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhwTVvnq14 heres the answer by Garland to the NYT. I figured the sniper in the mansion was a 1%er living out his fantasies but didn't understand the Winter Wonderland part of it. Turns out America is already in decay, he just added the Snipers. Comstar fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a movie with guns that actually sound like guns. Absolutely insane sound in this.
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ephori posted:It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a movie with guns that actually sound like guns. Absolutely insane sound in this. The sniper & spotter have cut-up pantyhose over the front of their scopes. It's an ad-hoc anti-glare solution so the glint off their scope doesn't reveal their position to the enemy. Apparently in the Ukraine war Russia has these devices that will note scope glint & help teams triangulate the position so they can drop mortars. Solution? Ukraine snipers are doing the pantyhose trick.
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Yeah, I saw this in Dolby Digital and the sound design is top notch.Android Apocalypse posted:Just noticed something watching this video: I also like this scene because it sort of encapsulates the tone/mission of the entire movie into a couple of minutes. Kaddish fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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The rifle fire reminded me of the cracks at the beginning of Dunkirk. Also the sound of the fighter jets flying over sounded basically as loud as an actual flyover.
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veni veni veni posted:I won't be seeing it until Saturday, so I can't post any real takes on it, but it seems weird to me that a few people have called it cowardly for not aligning itself with a specific ideology. Kind of seems like the entire point of the movie. Also if it was just doomer "oooh look what the republicans are gonna do to us" poo poo it would be so weak. Like a lefty version of a Kirk Cameron movie. Ditching ideology to focus on the division itself frankly seems kind of ballsy to me, because it's bound to make a lot of people uncomfortable and pander to no one. It does a decent job of speculating on the details of how Americans would deal with something like this, and on its own it has interesting things to say about the futility of apolitical documentation (it basically portrays war photographers as thrillseekers who exploit atrocities for the glory of the perfect photo), but Garland coming out and being like "tut tut now, both sides need to just calm down and shake hands" hangs over the whole movie like a wet fart.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Garland coming out and being like "tut tut now, both sides need to just calm down and shake hands" hangs over the whole movie like a wet fart. It really doesn’t.
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CelestialScribe posted:It really doesn’t. Ah, I see.
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CelestialScribe posted:I have no idea what Kirsten Dunst was doing in this movie. I think she's a decent actress but her performance in this was so minimalist as to be completely empty. I got absolutely nothing from her in this movie. Maybe it's just her face? She had one expression the entire movie. Dunst's character was jaded and desensitized by having spent the past twenty years observing horrific atrocities from a few steps away. This is illustrated in the scene near the beginning where she's trying to relax in the bathtub, but can't stop remembering various horrible scenes she's photographed, such as the man being burned alive. One of the movie's central points is the contrast between the young kid's excitement and naivete, against what it actually does to a person to spend their life doing this work.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Ah, I see. Simply don’t engage with people who make art and you’ll enjoy art so much more.
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zelah posted:Simply don’t engage with people who make art and you’ll enjoy art so much more. Okay.
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I thought it was phenomenal. I feel like anyone claiming that it has nothing to say let the film fly straight over their heads tbh. Anyways, it was one of the most chaotic war movies I've seen in a while. Even if it was about a fictional conflict, it brought back a lot of the same feelings I've had watching stuff like All Quiet on the Western Front or Come and See. Just intense and chaotic as hell but absolutely gripping.
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veni veni veni posted:I thought it was phenomenal. I feel like anyone claiming that it has nothing to say let the film fly straight over their heads tbh. The script has a real theme and variation structure to it, which I really love. Every little skit had something relevant to say and it all ties very neatly together. It’s just great when a movie has a clear viewpoint and doesn’t gently caress around in discussing it.
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This was the most intense movie I've seen in theaters since Fury. The sound design was jaw dropping in a Dolby theater
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had a lady freak out and yell during the beginning of my showing. she kept asking me (she was one row in front of me) if i believed any of it. and it was only like 5 minutes into the movie. she left in a huff after yelling a bunch. it was pretty funny. i was on a lot of edibles on it upped the ante for a bit
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Lol any of what? The fictional movie? That is funny though
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Photex posted:This was the most intense movie I've seen in theaters since Fury. The sound design was jaw dropping in a Dolby theater Seriously, I caught an imax showing and I was so anxious by the end of the movie. Amazing sound design.
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Carpet posted:Saw a preview of this, and though I liked Men while a lot of other people didn't, this film just annoyed me. It's well shot, and the action sequences are very intense and tense when needed, but it's very centrism.txt in how it refuses to say anything political (which unintentionally says something political). Agree w/basically all of this, it was a very loud, very well shot movie that wanted to say everything about America's internal fissures and ended up saying nothing. 6/10
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ptkfvk posted:had a lady freak out and yell during the beginning of my showing. she kept asking me (she was one row in front of me) if i believed any of it. and it was only like 5 minutes into the movie. she left in a huff after yelling a bunch. it was pretty funny. i was on a lot of edibles on it upped the ante for a bit She probably recognized the footage as that was real stuff taken during the 2020 protests.
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still sitting on it. the parts that worked, like the callous journalist stuff did mostly work. it was visceral in a miserable way that reminded me strongly of The Road, which I dug a lot. most strongly right now, I felt it really leaned on tired old heart of darkness tropes. the "rurals going feral" framing they kept returning too really stunk and felt like such coastal bigotry.
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Note the half a second Come and See reference. It's in the first flashback of Kristin's trauma bath time roughly 15 minutes in.
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ex post facho posted:Agree w/basically all of this, it was a very loud, very well shot movie that wanted to say everything about America's internal fissures and ended up saying nothing. 6/10
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Lampsacus posted:Not to disagree with a subjective taste opinion, but it feels overt to me that this film went out of its way to not say anything specific about America's internal fissures. i.e. the ambiguous factions, the way it's references do not match with reality (see the antifa massacre comment above). It both does and doesn’t; Garland’s self-proclaimed centrism is ‘mitigated’ by an unambiguous anti-MAGA stance - ultimately placing him somewhere between The Rally To Restore Sanity and a Never-Trump Republicanism. The message of the ‘Massacre of Antifa’ deal is that strident anti-fascism is probably bad, certainly failed. Maybe it even provoked the backlash that got Trump Jr. elected thrice??? It’s the kind of movie where the socialist bloc that emerges on the Canadian border is treated as a joke faction, rather than as a subject of interest.
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Lampsacus posted:Note the half a second Come and See reference. It's in the first flashback of Kristin's trauma bath time roughly 15 minutes in. I missed it, can you say what it was? Come and See is an interesting point of reference for Civil War since it had a very very specific political message (the director initially wanted to title the film “Kill Hitler”). veni veni veni posted:I thought it was phenomenal. I feel like anyone claiming that it has nothing to say let the film fly straight over their heads tbh. People keep posting things like this but so far no one in this thread has actually articulated anything specific about this movie’s politics. It’s apparently blindingly transparent but I’d love for someone to actually spell it out. It seemed to me to be a very facile provocation. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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watched it in imax and the only "tense" part was the plemons scene, very little else landed the movie makes its politics clear in its first minutes with nick offerman practicing his trumpian rhetoric (also pretty incoherent since trump has never and will never rehearse anything he says, he just dips a popsicle stick into his pudding brain and runs with whatever comes out), the problem isn't that it's apolitical, it's that its politics are vacuous and nonsensical
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Basically it ends up being the political version of 'What's the deal with airline food?' at pretty much one of the worst possible times for it.
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I think the moral message of "you don't actually want civil war, it's horrific" is trivially true and not saying much interesting, but sometimes the times are unsubtle enough the messaging should match. Sometimes the zeitgeist calls for a Let This Be Your Last Battlefield. The thematic and character stuff about trauma, vourerism and thrill seeking, looking down a lense and feeling aesthetic distance till you're touched was decently done. The sense of semi-normalcy road tripping punctuated by terror was perfect. Plemons scene was of course the standout and personally I think not explicitly saying what side he was on worked. Overall felt like a dreadful preview of our coming years of lead. I don't know that it would have worked as well if it steered more polemic and told us who the good guys and bad guys are explicitly or laid out a bunch of exposition with a cut away to a star wars mofference scene in the white house. I'm sure Garland said some mealy mouth lib brained poo poo but the work itself achieves what it seeks to do with good cinematography editing and sound design. There were some people in my showing who's sartorial choices implied they were on the rightward side of the political spectrum and it would be fascinating to have picked their brains about what they thought. I'm sure they got a thrill out of the final battle.
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R. Guyovich posted:the movie makes its politics clear in its first minutes with nick offerman practicing his trumpian rhetoric (also pretty incoherent since trump has never and will never rehearse anything he says, he just dips a popsicle stick into his pudding brain and runs with whatever comes out), the problem isn't that it's apolitical, it's that its politics are vacuous and nonsensical yeah "the greatest victory in the history of mankind" felt very much like a screenwriter trying to imitate Trump-style dialogue. the other part that read as specifically Trump-coded was his aide trying to buy passage to Greenland for him at the end (remember when Trump wanted to buy Greenland lol). basically the whole final setpiece read like a liberal fantasy about what if some badass troops deposed Trump. anyway the set pieces were admittedly pretty impressive but trying to strip anything too political out of this scenario meant that basically all the connective tissue between set pieces was characters going "wow, this all sure is crazy huh?"
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The day before watching this, I happened to hear a NPR story about journalists dying left and right in Gaza. If I hadn't heard that story first, I would've assumed all the journalism stuff in this movie to be exaggerated. With this priming, I kinda watched the movie as if it were "about" war photojournalism, with the American civil war as just a backdrop to talk about war journalism in a context that would be more meaningful to stateside audiences. I'm not saying this is the "right" way to watch the movie, but this viewing fit pretty well with the overall depoliticization of the war in the movie.
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I found the film to be a really solid and concise thriller. With that runtime it definitely didn't overstay its welcome. The set pieces connected together to form a cohesive road trip story about war and the fact that one can never truly be a neutral party in those circumstances. I can see how people who were either looking for a fable-like lesson or looking for some kind of accurate wargaming simulation based on current variables would be disappointed. It just wasn't that kind of movie though. The funniest part for me was leaving the theater (which was strangely packed for an A24 joint) and overhearing the divide of people alternately praising it or saying it was terrible. Personally, I thought it was great. That scene with Jesse Plemons was so intense I felt like I was starting to sweat!
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giogadi posted:The day before watching this, I happened to hear a NPR story about journalists dying left and right in Gaza. If I hadn't heard that story first, I would've assumed all the journalism stuff in this movie to be exaggerated. With this priming, I kinda watched the movie as if it were "about" war photojournalism, with the American civil war as just a backdrop to talk about war journalism in a context that would be more meaningful to stateside audiences. I'm not saying this is the "right" way to watch the movie, but this viewing fit pretty well with the overall depoliticization of the war in the movie. That's very much the lens through which it was intended to be viewed, so you are definitely on the money there.
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Jewmanji posted:People keep posting things like this but so far no one in this thread has actually articulated anything specific about this movie’s politics. It’s apparently blindingly transparent but I’d love for someone to actually spell it out. It seemed to me to be a very facile provocation. It's not hard to articulate, I'm just struggling with finding a way to do it without probably starting a giant slapfight that I don't think I have the energy for atm. I will say that the idea that the film should have been more ideological would pretty much defeat the purpose of the entire thing. It's a film meant to visualize the fears a lot of people have right now as a worst case scenario. It's also a film meant for everyone. I feel like it's meant for people of all walks of life to watch and say "Yeah I really don't want this to happen". The message would have been totally invalidated if it was political in a way that some of the posters itt seem to want. As far as I can tell, what some of you guys wanted was "Left Behind: Liberal edition" and imo that movie would have loving sucked. It doesn't even take that much to figure out where the movie's politics lie. There's plenty of hints dropped throughout, but it also goes out of it's way to not directly target any specific viewers as "the bad guys (or good guys for that matter)" or whatever which in my opinion is not because Garland is "cowardly" but very much because it sets out to confuse and scare everyone equally. Also it takes place at least 20 years in the future, so it makes sense to me that the political landscape would feel muddled and confusing. TLDR I think the films message is abundantly clear and very timely, but I don't know how to respond to people who think the film should have had an entirely different message that would have just stoked the fire for the things the film is warning against. The film absolutely has something to say, it just seems like some of you guys don't like what it has to say.
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veni veni veni posted:I will say that the idea that the film should have been more ideological would pretty much defeat the purpose of the entire thing. It's a film meant to visualize the fears a lot of people have right now as a worst case scenario. It's also a film meant for everyone. I feel like it's meant for people of all walks of life to watch and say "Yeah I really don't want this to happen". The message would have been totally invalidated if it was political in a way that some of the posters itt seem to want. As far as I can tell, what some of you guys wanted was "Left Behind: Liberal edition" and imo that movie would have loving sucked. I think where I disagree is to me this movie basically did feel like Left Behind: Liberal Edition
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veni veni veni posted:What do you think a more ideal iteration of the movie would have been? What should it have done differently? i mean, the more ideal version of the movie already exists. it's called Children of Men and this movie desperately wants to be that one.
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