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DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
HP and Dell make their server-class hardware in the USA, so it would make sense for Apple to have the Mac Pro here as well. The Mini would be another good choice - small, not that many parts, no display.

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Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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I just picked up a mid-2011 MacBook Air and the down arrow key seems extremely sensitive, like I just put my finger on it lightly and it will scroll down. Is this normal or should I take it in to get the key/keyboard replaced (its still under warranty).

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
Okay, so this is a REALLY old question--I mean literally years of delay between the event and asking now--and I'm not 100% on how relevant it is to hardware and it could be an OS thing for all I know, but it's bugged me forever and even my engineering buddy can't figure it out for certain; our best guess is that it's a very obscure and arcane Mac feature.

Nine years ago, I had a G4 PowerPC running an early version of OSX, maybe 10.2, 10.3 at the absolute latest. We experienced a major power interruption; not like an outage where it's down for an hour or two, but just a blip that knocked out the power for a little under a minute. Definitely long enough for everything to go black and for a person to sit there cursing their misfortune hoping it's just a surge, give up and go to the bathroom, and have the power come back as they're washing their hands.

When the power came back up, though, I turned the CRT bastard back on and, much to my surprise, everything was literally just as I'd left it as the monitor sizzled back to life. I don't mean like "automatically restart after an outage" just-as-I'd-left it, but "stayed on like it was some kind of motherfuckin' laptop." I'd had a Gameboy emulator running and I hadn't saved for some time, y'know, regular poo poo, cussing myself out over it, but when the power came back, it was going in exactly the same place as I left it as if I'd just, well, walked away from the keyboard to take a piss.

I'm not sure if this is a hardware deal or what, but I have to assume, to a certain extent, that it is. Did the G-series have something in the hardware for this exact one-minute-outage scenario? Does OSX come programmed for this kinda thing? Maybe it's something like sleep mode?

I've heard urban legend-ey whispers of other people having their power sources disconnected for extended periods of time or completely dismantled for servicing only to have their computers pop back up in exactly the same state they had been when they last left off, but like I said, way too few and far between to be anything more than a statistical anomaly or an outright tall tale. Definitely not enough to explain what happened, and definitely too hard to search accurately--"power outage" and "OSX/Mac" usually turns up a lot of white noise about people with corrupted data instead of what I'm looking for.

Anyone else had an experience like this with their Macs, new or old? Any possible explanations? Yeah, yeah, I know, :ghost:, but in all seriousness, it's not like it's even a big deal--I just dodged losing a couple hours on a goddamn Gameboy game nearly a decade ago--but it's, y'know, always been at the back of my mind, and I figure if there's anywhere on the internet I could get a straight answer or a professional hypothesis, it'd be from goon bros.

Fur20 fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Dec 8, 2012

lowercasejames
Jan 25, 2005

Yee hee.
Possible it wasn't a full power outage. I've had instances where the power isn't off completely but, on appliances for instance, the led light indicating an on status remains lit but the appliance itself doesn't have enough power to run. Maybe the Mac was getting enough power to do basic hard drive/cache functions so when it came on again in that short amount of time everything was as you'd left it?

Guessing here. Weird either way.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Auron posted:

I just picked up a mid-2011 MacBook Air and the down arrow key seems extremely sensitive, like I just put my finger on it lightly and it will scroll down. Is this normal or should I take it in to get the key/keyboard replaced (its still under warranty).

Nope that's not normal.

Socialism
May 9, 2009
Anyone with a retina macbook pro (either 13 or 15) can comment on its temperature? I'd like to actually use it on my lap from time to time, mainly while traveling, so the heat might actually be an issue.

I've used a MBA from 2010 era for a while, which pretty much became a make-shift hot plate if I tried anything fancy (youtube! netflix! any software that's not a text editor! :supaburn:).

I won't be using anything intense while on the go, just watching videos and word processing/excel for the most part. Looking at the reviews, mainly anandtech, it seems like the 15in has improved thermals, but I don't know how easy it is to accidentally block the vents.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost
It gets a bit uncomfortably warm for me on my lap after a few hours of use doing anything from wasting my life away in Eclipse to compiling projects to Youtube but if you take breaks a fair bit you should be fine.

Socialism
May 9, 2009

necrobobsledder posted:

It gets a bit uncomfortably warm for me on my lap after a few hours of use doing anything from wasting my life away in Eclipse to compiling projects to Youtube but if you take breaks a fair bit you should be fine.

Is that the 13 or 15-inch? I'm guessing the 13 inch is slightly cooler since it has no discrete GPU?

Yeah I definitely won't be using it for more than a few hours at a time. My current X220 definitely gets too warm after 1-2 hours (mainly around the top left corner where the vent is) and it's reviewed to be relatively cool, so I probably should temper (ha) my expectations somewhat.

chutwig
May 28, 2001

BURLAP SATCHEL OF CRACKERJACKS

Socialism posted:

Anyone with a retina macbook pro (either 13 or 15) can comment on its temperature? I'd like to actually use it on my lap from time to time, mainly while traveling, so the heat might actually be an issue.

I've used a MBA from 2010 era for a while, which pretty much became a make-shift hot plate if I tried anything fancy (youtube! netflix! any software that's not a text editor! :supaburn:).

I won't be using anything intense while on the go, just watching videos and word processing/excel for the most part. Looking at the reviews, mainly anandtech, it seems like the 15in has improved thermals, but I don't know how easy it is to accidentally block the vents.

My 15" retina runs far far farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr cooler than my old 2009 15" MBP. It's pretty much impossible to make this computer run as hot as the previous one.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost

Socialism posted:

Is that the 13 or 15-inch? I'm guessing the 13 inch is slightly cooler since it has no discrete GPU?
15" for me. I had a 2010 MBP and the Retina version runs substantially cooler. The dynamic graphics card switching is really curious though and switching randomly between the discrete and integrated chips is par for the course in my ADD-ridden workflow.

OrganizedEntropy
Jun 17, 2005
Carnot Can Kiss My Ass
Are there still screen issues with the 15" rMBP depending on which vendor the screen comes from? My 2009 15" MBP is packing it in so it may be time for an upgrade. I've got an appointment at the Apple Store this evening to have my current laptop looked at and see how fixable it is.

Any other recommendations for new laptop options? I travel ALOT with work so portability is definitely a big concern, but I've have no issues with my current laptop. I'd really like to have an Air just for the convenience of having such a small, light laptop, but I need the memory and processing power of the pro's. My work primarily involves numerical analysis and computational fluid dynamics and while I have a pretty hefty workstation at my office, I need to make sure that I can still fire up the work in a pinch when on the road. Is it worth looking at the 13" rMBP as well?

Budget is not an option as work is paying.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

OrganizedEntropy posted:

Is it worth looking at the 13" rMBP as well?

Budget is not an option as work is paying.

The 15" rMBP is a beast in terms specs but it comes at the cost of being the clunky form factor.

That leaves the 13" rMBP or MBA, the performance difference isn't as much since they are both come with the i7 2 Core CPU and also 8GB Of RAM once you upgrade the Air.

I would get rMPB 13" since someone else is paying and it has slightly better overall performance than the MBA due to the faster CPU clock speed.

Plus you get a much nicer IPS high resolution screen and bit more plush keyboard vs. the MBA.

OrganizedEntropy
Jun 17, 2005
Carnot Can Kiss My Ass

etalian posted:

The 15" rMBP is a beast in terms specs but it comes at the cost of being the clunky form factor.

That leaves the 13" rMBP or MBA, the performance difference isn't as much since they are both come with the i7 2 Core CPU and also 8GB Of RAM once you upgrade the Air.

I would get rMPB 13" since someone else is paying and it has slightly better overall performance than the MBA due to the faster CPU clock speed.

Plus you get a much nicer IPS high resolution screen and bit more plush keyboard vs. the MBA.

I've been dragging around a 15" MBP for years, so the form factor really doesn't bother me. Seeing as the newer ones are thinner and lighter anyhow, it's still going in the correct direction. Ignoring the size and price, is there any reason NOT to upgrade to the 15" rMBP over the 13" rMBP?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

OrganizedEntropy posted:

I've been dragging around a 15" MBP for years, so the form factor really doesn't bother me. Seeing as the newer ones are thinner and lighter anyhow, it's still going in the correct direction. Ignoring the size and price, is there any reason NOT to upgrade to the 15" rMBP over the 13" rMBP?

The 15" rMBP is much nicer overall in terms of raw performance due to having a dedicated GPU and also a real 4 core i7.

And if you could handle dragging around the the old MBP on a regular basis while on travel then the new one will work good since it has significant weight and overall dimensions improvements vs. the old design.

Socialism
May 9, 2009

necrobobsledder posted:

15" for me. I had a 2010 MBP and the Retina version runs substantially cooler. The dynamic graphics card switching is really curious though and switching randomly between the discrete and integrated chips is par for the course in my ADD-ridden workflow.

Great to hear - although if I recall correctly the 2010 MBP was quite famous for its thermal...exuberance. I suppose the best way is for me to just buy it and try it out. I doubt it'd take me more than a couple days to figure out if it's too hot or not anyway.

Suqit
Apr 25, 2005

Stars Stripes Freedom Jozy
(Jozy not pictured here)

OrganizedEntropy posted:

I've been dragging around a 15" MBP for years, so the form factor really doesn't bother me. Seeing as the newer ones are thinner and lighter anyhow, it's still going in the correct direction. Ignoring the size and price, is there any reason NOT to upgrade to the 15" rMBP over the 13" rMBP?

No reason not to whatsoever. I started off with a 13" Air for two weeks, wanted some more ports, took the air back and got a 13" rMBP, kept that for a week and ended up with a 15" rMBP.

Wish I had just started with what I ended up with.

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

Socialism posted:

Great to hear - although if I recall correctly the 2010 MBP was quite famous for its thermal...exuberance. I suppose the best way is for me to just buy it and try it out. I doubt it'd take me more than a couple days to figure out if it's too hot or not anyway.
Under normal use without the discrete graphics card in use, my 15" RMB doesn't even get warm. It's only when it starts using all four cores at 80%+ and with the discrete graphics on that it gets hot and even then, it's cooler than my old 15" MBP ever was.

If you're travelling a lot and you're worried about heat/battery just install gfxCardStatus and force the integrated graphics on.

Haggins
Jul 1, 2004

OrganizedEntropy posted:

I've been dragging around a 15" MBP for years, so the form factor really doesn't bother me. Seeing as the newer ones are thinner and lighter anyhow, it's still going in the correct direction. Ignoring the size and price, is there any reason NOT to upgrade to the 15" rMBP over the 13" rMBP?

Go with the 15. More screen space is going to make working on it easier.

Nut Bunnies
May 24, 2005

Fun Shoe
The 13" is retina, but it also has the horrible screen space of what 1280x800 is. Might as well get the 15" rMBP or an Air and wait for the retina Air

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Nut Bunnies posted:

The 13" is retina, but it also has the horrible screen space of what 1280x800 is. Might as well get the 15" rMBP or an Air and wait for the retina Air

Yeah due to the Retina scaling the MBA ends up having more usable desktop space at its native resolution.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

But you can make the 13" Retina scale to give it more usable space. It didn't lag when I played around with it for 20 minutes.

HarryPurvis
Sep 20, 2006
That reminds me of a story...
Trying to figure out the best value Macbook to pick up. I'll mostly be using it for photo editing, some office work, and would like to occasionally be able to play some D3, SC2 or WoW on it. After reading this thread it seems like the 13' Macbook Air would be the way to go, but I had some questions.

1) Is there any noticeable boost in performance going from the 1.8Ghz i5 to the 2.0Ghz i7?

2) Will the HD4000 graphics be adequate for some basic to moderate photo editing?

3) If I want to output to an external monitor will the performance take a big hit?

Lastly I'm thinking that whichever model I go with should have 8Gb of RAM. Only downside here is other than an $1800 model there are no refurbs on the Apple store with that much memory. So it looks like I would have to go with a new order to get what I want.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

HarryPurvis posted:

1) Is there any noticeable boost in performance going from the 1.8Ghz i5 to the 2.0Ghz i7?
10%-ish

HarryPurvis posted:

2) Will the HD4000 graphics be adequate for some basic to moderate photo editing?
Yes

HarryPurvis posted:

3) If I want to output to an external monitor will the performance take a big hit?
No

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

HarryPurvis posted:

Trying to figure out the best value Macbook to pick up. I'll mostly be using it for photo editing, some office work, and would like to occasionally be able to play some D3, SC2 or WoW on it. After reading this thread it seems like the 13' Macbook Air would be the way to go, but I had some questions.

1) Is there any noticeable boost in performance going from the 1.8Ghz i5 to the 2.0Ghz i7?

2) Will the HD4000 graphics be adequate for some basic to moderate photo editing?

3) If I want to output to an external monitor will the performance take a big hit?

Lastly I'm thinking that whichever model I go with should have 8Gb of RAM. Only downside here is other than an $1800 model there are no refurbs on the Apple store with that much memory. So it looks like I would have to go with a new order to get what I want.

I bought this exact one http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/874910-REG/Apple_Z0NC_MD2311_13_3_MacBook_Air_Notebook.html They have other custom configurations so browse around.

if you're not in New York then it has free shipping and no tax. I use mine with a Dell 24" 1080p monitor through display port and it works great. It won't have any trouble with photo editing, though if you play games like Starcraft 2 the laptop will be extremely hot. You'll hear the fans go crazy. I don't do any gaming on this anymore.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

HarryPurvis posted:

Trying to figure out the best value Macbook to pick up. I'll mostly be using it for photo editing, some office work, and would like to occasionally be able to play some D3, SC2 or WoW on it. After reading this thread it seems like the 13' Macbook Air would be the way to go, but I had some questions.

1) Is there any noticeable boost in performance going from the 1.8Ghz i5 to the 2.0Ghz i7?

2) Will the HD4000 graphics be adequate for some basic to moderate photo editing?

3) If I want to output to an external monitor will the performance take a big hit?

Lastly I'm thinking that whichever model I go with should have 8Gb of RAM. Only downside here is other than an $1800 model there are no refurbs on the Apple store with that much memory. So it looks like I would have to go with a new order to get what I want.

It's the best value right now in the whole line but adding things such as the i7 upgrade or more RAM depends on your needs. Or if you care about losing money on resale value down the road by loading in lots of extra options.

I would probably at least get 256MB SSD since games chew up a good amount of space and 8GB makes sense since it's impossible to upgrade the MBA's RAM down the road since it's soldered in.

Just the three games you listed will chew up around 50GB.

etalian fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Dec 9, 2012

HarryPurvis
Sep 20, 2006
That reminds me of a story...

Mu Zeta posted:

I bought this exact one http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/874910-REG/Apple_Z0NC_MD2311_13_3_MacBook_Air_Notebook.html They have other custom configurations so browse around.

if you're not in New York then it has free shipping and no tax. I use mine with a Dell 24" 1080p monitor through display port and it works great. It won't have any trouble with photo editing, though if you play games like Starcraft 2 the laptop will be extremely hot. You'll hear the fans go crazy. I don't do any gaming on this anymore.

Thanks for the fast response. Thinking about either the 1.8Ghz model http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/886030-REG/Apple_z0nd_md2324_13_3_MacBook_Air_Notebook.html or the 2.0Ghz for an extra $75 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=872017&is=REG&bundleId=872017REG.

Would that extra $75 for the slight bump in processor be worth it?

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
The i7 is worth it if you're planning on raiding or doing large-scale BGs in WoW, where the game is CPU-bound, especially if you're logging/running Recount.

FlashBangBob
Jul 5, 2007

BLAM! Internet Found!

Arivia posted:

The i7 is worth it if you're planning on raiding or doing large-scale BGs in WoW, where the game is CPU-bound, especially if you're logging/running Recount.
Unless you are running the 64 bit version of WoW, in which hyper threading on the i7 won't aid that much.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

FlashBangBob posted:

Unless you are running the 64 bit version of WoW, in which hyper threading on the i7 won't aid that much.
Mobile i5s have hyper threading too so that's not an extra feature of the i7 in this case, I think the difference between the mobile chips is usually more clock speed and cache.

passionate dongs
May 23, 2001

Snitchin' is Bitchin'
Is Apple still replacing swollen batteries for laptops out of Applecare for free? The trackpad on my 2009 MBP that I mostly use as a HTPC is bulging like crazy, and I'm assuming it's the battery.

1997
Jan 20, 2008

calmer than you are

passionate dongs posted:

Is Apple still replacing swollen batteries for laptops out of Applecare for free? The trackpad on my 2009 MBP that I mostly use as a HTPC is bulging like crazy, and I'm assuming it's the battery.

Nope.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Mac Mini Rack of Doom





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HarryPurvis
Sep 20, 2006
That reminds me of a story...
Any thoughts on eBay as a source for a new or used MB air?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

HarryPurvis posted:

Any thoughts on eBay as a source for a new or used MB air?

I'd be really weary of getting scammed, at least on the selling side, unless it was from a big name seller like Gazelle.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

HarryPurvis posted:

Any thoughts on eBay as a source for a new or used MB air?

It's a classic case of buyer beware like any online sales not from the original manufacturer or from a big reputable company such as MacMall/New from Amazon.

Just make sure to do research and gets photos with the serial number so you can make sure it's in warranty/listed condition.

Apple also has a really nice refurb program in which you get tested laptops which also come with the fresh one year warranty.

Apple direct refurbs tend to often have hilarious rip-off prices such as ancient Core 2 Duo MBAs for $1000 but occasionally you can find some pretty competitively price MBAs.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD
Personally I would not buy one off eBay except in person.
I haven't checked in a while, but almost every "new in box" auction on eBay looks to be a complete scam. Usually if you bite they will tell you to Western Union some money which is a sure sign.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

~Coxy posted:

Personally I would not buy one off eBay except in person.
I haven't checked in a while, but almost every "new in box" auction on eBay looks to be a complete scam. Usually if you bite they will tell you to Western Union some money which is a sure sign.

Or you see piles amazing deals such as a new MBA for only $700-$800 vs. the much more believable prices from credible sources.

At the least check the Apple refurb page, sometimes it has good deals even with the tax included.

Or buy on Amazon from their warehouse open box program or from a seller that actually has piles of good reviews instead of the just launched red flag.

But from experience the Apple Refurb site is best and sometimes is only more expensive compared to the other legit sources by $40-$50.

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!
Okay, I think I have decided that the iMac is not for me anymore, I was really disappointed with the refresh. Right now I am looking at the macbook pros for portability. It has been 6-7 years since I got a new macbook, so whatever I get should last a pretty long time.

Right now I am considering a 15-inch: 2.3GHz w/the upgraded display option. I have a few small concerns though. Online reviews are giving me a headache so I was just hoping someone with one could help me.

1.) How good is the graphics capability. I am not a huge gamer, but I do plan on booting into bootcamp every so often for a round of world of tanks or company of heroes 2 (hopefully). I know this is not a gaming laptop, but if I am spending next to 2 grand I was hoping the graphics capability would at least be adequate.

2.) Is the upgraded resolution a detriment to performance? The resolution difference is not that massive, but maybe it is enough to make a laptop graphics card choke more.

3.) Is it still easy to upgrade macbook ram? I found it pretty simple on my gen 1 macbook, but that is a long time ago and apple seems to have less of an interest in people modifying their machines at all.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

unlawfulsoup posted:

1.) How good is the graphics capability. I am not a huge gamer, but I do plan on booting into bootcamp every so often for a round of world of tanks or company of heroes 2 (hopefully). I know this is not a gaming laptop, but if I am spending next to 2 grand I was hoping the graphics capability would at least be adequate.
Pretty decent:



unlawfulsoup posted:

2.) Is the upgraded resolution a detriment to performance? The resolution difference is not that massive, but maybe it is enough to make a laptop graphics card choke more.
No, it won't make it slower.

unlawfulsoup posted:

3.) Is it still easy to upgrade macbook ram? I found it pretty simple on my gen 1 macbook, but that is a long time ago and apple seems to have less of an interest in people modifying their machines at all.
Dead simple. You can stick up to 16GB in there if you want.

Here's Anandtech's review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6037/the-2012-macbook-pro-review

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unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

Bob Morales posted:

Pretty decent:



No, it won't make it slower.

Dead simple. You can stick up to 16GB in there if you want.

Here's Anandtech's review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6037/the-2012-macbook-pro-review

Awesome, I am set then. Thank you. :)

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