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Actually that's a good point. These books are terrible. Every character is the worst character ever. Nuke this thread and everyone in it, please.
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We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, but I know we'll sully threads some Gurmy day. Keep grinning through, just like you as you do, have the moon pies drive the hunger, far away. So will you please say hello, to my authors fellow, say they take far too long. I don't care if they know, that I'm going to throw, in the next book this song. We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, but I know we'll sully threads some Gurmy day. Arbite fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Mar 11, 2013 |
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Mar 11, 2013 18:43
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May Gurm watch over you and all your loved ones, and guide you in His eternal wisdom.
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Joramun posted:May Gurm watch over you and all your loved ones, and guide you in His eternal wisdom. And his eternal shameful boner.
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Mar 12, 2013 01:13
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I didn't hate Cat at all until Westeros turned into Zombieland.
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stawk Archer posted:I didn't hate Cat at all until Westeros turned into Zombieland. Pretty sure there's only one major character that's currently unambiguously a zombie. For all my distaste for the way GRRM has been handling the fantasy bullshit, the zombification doesn't feel like a cop-out to me, it was introduced in a really effective way and has pretty clear ramifications and limitations. Like whatever happens to Jon in the Book That Shan't Be Released, I'm pretty sure we can kiss that gormless emo as we know him good bye.
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From the good thread:webmeister posted:And I've heard a lot of people say Dance is similar to ASOS in that it's a fairly slow burn during the first two-thirds, before the insanity kicks in towards the end. If that's true, I can't wait!  I mean, I suppose it's not wrong, they just moved the last third to the next book. Again.
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I liked this earlier post better:Cyclomatic posted:In a fit of pure desperation for something to listen to while painting, I'd gotten an audio book of the first book. I didn't make it past the first chapter or two. Something about the reader's voice made me unable to get the image of a fat old man with a beard at a ren-fair arguing about thaco out of my head. 
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Arbite posted:We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, I'm just waiting for you guys to get your parts done. Then I'll announce I'll be done in two years. Wildcard.
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Urdnot Fire posted:I liked this earlier post better: It's "THAC0"  Edit: Oh unless they meant "Taco" which is also possible.
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Shoehead posted:It's "THAC0" Pretty sure they meant THAC0. Gurm strikes me as more of a burrito guy, anyway.
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Mar 12, 2013 13:43
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Can you even get shitdick from a burrito?
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Mar 12, 2013 13:47
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Can you even get shitdick from a burrito?
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rejutka posted:I hate Cat slightly less than most, probably because I watched the first season and then got stuck into the books. I am used to the idea of Jon Snow being a useless mouth-breathing gently caress. Book Cat is a colossal idiot, mind. You touch on my own opinion of Jon. Loved his character in the books, and now loathe him because of the show. Beyond Jaime, I really cannot come up with a single character I actually care about at this point (post a dance with diarrhea)
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Davos. Plus he's going to see the Cannibal King of Skagos. I am really looking forward to that in book 10.
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No Stan the Man?
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It's a redundancy; you mention one, the other should be parsed in automatically.
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Contra Calculus posted:Fine, I'll make my first loving unironic ASOIAF post in a long-rear end time: I really don't hate Cat at all and I don't get why people hate her that much. Even if she made some dumb decisions like letting Jaime go, I never hated her for it since I think literally every single character has been making nothing but stupid decisions. The only time I disliked her was when she was a complete rear end to Jon and at that time I could understand she was under a lot of stress since her kid just got horribly injured. Cat is like Skylehr from Breaking Bad.. so much hate. Some of it deserved, but its taken on its own thing. I thought her freeing Jaime was pretty cool - and yeah she was a bitch to Jon, but gently caress it. At least it gave him something to be emo about. And cmon yall didn't like that scene in the book where she takes Tyrion captive? Sure she hosed it up, but I didn't rage about her decisions the way I rage about Cersei's decisions in FOC. Her poo poo doesn't even make sense to me. I don't know what the trope equivalent of a "strawman argument" is .. but she is the Plot incarnation of one.
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kcroy posted:I didn't rage about her decisions the way I rage about Cersei's decisions in FOC. Her poo poo doesn't even make sense to me. I don't know what the trope equivalent of a "strawman argument" is .. but she is the Plot incarnation of one. It's easy. I swear someone even has a line about it. She's brash like Jamie, but thinks she's clever and calculating like Tyrion. But she's really not. She truly thinks she's one in her family most like Tywin, but really she wants power out of a sense of entitlement. Tywin knew power was a tool, a means to an end. She takes this blindness to 11 in FoC, but she displays it keenly as early as Clash of Kings.
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I just glanced inside the no-spoiler ASoIaF thread. What is the point of it's existence? What discussion can happen there that is not encapsulated within spoiler tags? So very odd. edit: I see Zombie Lincoln was orchestrating the read along with no spoilers allowed beyond where folks were read up to. Then his last post (anywhere) was back in 2011. It's kind of like he stopped posting... much like gurm stopped writing. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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Contra Calculus posted:Actually that's a good point. These books are terrible. Every character is the worst character ever. (relevant I promise)
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nuncle jimbo posted:http://sophiamcdougall.com/2013/03/13/the-rape-of-james-bond/ The Black Watch sounds like a very different organization.
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nuncle jimbo posted:http://sophiamcdougall.com/2013/03/13/the-rape-of-james-bond/ Did you write this? Are you Sophia McDougall?
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That article brings up a point I had never considered. People were squicked out by Silva coming onto Bond? I thought it was great, especially Bond's reaction to it.
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I had a problem with a lot of that article, but she does have a point about the men and boys in Game of Thrones never being the victim or even threatened with rape. The only exception I can think of is Tyrion's threat about Tommen. e: lots of people were actually unhappy with Bond's reaction to it. BOND IS 100% CHICKS ONLY NO EXCEPTIONS
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Him having absolutely any other reaction would have made Bond way less cool. Silva's clearly trying to discomfort Bond by hinting at being into him, and Bond turns it right around with his "what makes you think it's my first time?" At which point Silva laughs, acknowledging his tactic's failure, and tries something different. Silva coming across as gay for Bond never appears again. Even if you read it as Bond is admitting to actually having sex with men, that's still cool. Bond will do anything for a mission, or he's bisexual. No matter how you cut it, his reaction as written is the only one he could have had.
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nuncle jimbo posted:http://sophiamcdougall.com/2013/03/13/the-rape-of-james-bond/ Rape wallpaper. 
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IRQ posted:Rape wallpaper. I laughed at that. It's a good point, though. GRRM's use of the concept trivializes it. We all knew that, it's just now we have a hilarious phrase to express it.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:That article brings up a point I had never considered. People were squicked out by Silva coming onto Bond? I thought it was great, especially Bond's reaction to it. Yeah, Bond's reaction was perfect for that scene. The fact that the character has to be perpetually heterosexual is baffling. There's nothing saying he can't ever be bisexual.
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rypakal posted:I had a problem with a lot of that article, but she does have a point about the men and boys in Game of Thrones never being the victim or even threatened with rape. The only exception I can think of is Tyrion's threat about Tommen. Male rape/sexual abuse Maester Kerwin on Victarion's Ship Male Sex Workers and Sex Slaves The threat of Rape to Arya when Biter and Rorge thought she was a young boy. Lyn Corbray with his ''boys'' The possible sexual abuse of Aeron by Euron. The possible sexual abuse of Tomnen by Joffrey. Septon Utt is a paedophile who prefers young boys. Theon/Reek http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/82803-the-use-of-rape-in-asoiaf-the-critics-speak/page__st__40#entry4211319
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There's a few more: Dany raped Drogo after MMD's ritual left him in a coma. Technically, Tywin raped Tyrion by forcing him to participate in Tysha's rape. Both events take place or are alluded to in AGOT and ACOK. If the author of the article had truly read the first book and half the second she would know this. In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Mar 15, 2013 |
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Clearly, none of those are in the show, and the show is the only thing that matters. I thought I would be above it, but now whenever I encounter any part of the show fandom, it just ticks that little rageometer a bit higher. I could be a better man and not give in, but ffffffuck the people that didn't put in their time in the book/waiting mines.
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SaviourX posted:Clearly, none of those are in the show, and the show is the only thing that matters. I've read the books, but I didn't until I heard about the TV show (because I had never heard of the series before that). I did my time in the Dark Tower. You know nothing of waiting. I got to thinking, have any PoV characters been raped? If Martin wants to make the rape wallpaper *sparkle* he should do that next, if he hasn't.
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In It For The Tank posted:There's a few more: Dany was an underaged rape victim who essentially developed Stockholme Syndrome for her rapist, its not like Drogo was the innocent victim in that rape. Same thing with Tyrion's. He was a victim, the bigger victim was the girl who got gang raped in the same scene. Even Theon's sexual abuse is mostly implied, and the stuff on screen happens at the expense of another woman who is flat out kidnapped and raped. The point is, there is measurable statistics for male on male rape in our enlightened society. The excuse for this series when rape comes up is usually "well it is an awful time period where this poo poo actually happened", and yet even in instances where you would think there would be tons of male rapes (in armies isolated from women, in prisons and dungeons, on the freakin' Wall where the Night Watch is forbidden to have women and most of the dudes are basically prisoners), it usually stops short at just threats or implications. I'm not arguing that there aren't some instances, but even the examples being brought up our typically accompanied by a female victim who has it worse (except in Theon's case where he probably was also mutilated).
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rypakal posted:I got to thinking, have any PoV characters been raped? If Martin wants to make the rape wallpaper *sparkle* he should do that next, if he hasn't.
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Dany (by Drogo), Cersei (by Robert) and Tyrion (by Tywin) have all been raped. Asha too. Maybe. Depending on how you view the rape-play she had with Qarl the Maid.
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Joramun posted:Aeron Greyjoy. Again, like most of the examples above, not something that actually is shown in the books and is only maybe implied. Not anything like the continues "on-screen" rapes of women. Maester Kerwin is the only real example I think applies to the discussion, at least from that above list. At some point around book 4 I wanted to be angry that the only consensual male/male activity we got was Loras/Renley, and that was practically 4th-hand knowledge. But then I realized that there aren't precisely that many male/female sexual acts that are truly consensual in the series. Is it weird that the first sex act we get in the series is by a married couple who are actually in love with each other, and that then sex is nearly always about power for the rest of the series. Guy A. Person posted:The point is, there is measurable statistics for male on male rape in our enlightened society. The excuse for this series when rape comes up is usually "well it is an awful time period where this poo poo actually happened", and yet even in instances where you would think there would be tons of male rapes (in armies isolated from women, in prisons and dungeons, on the freakin' Wall where the Night Watch is forbidden to have women and most of the dudes are basically prisoners), it usually stops short at just threats or implications. Even prison rape isn't a serious problem in most parts of the world. The epidemic of it approaching the numbers for female rapes is almost entirely American.
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Entertainment Weekly article confirms what we all already knew: http://io9.com/what-happens-when-em-game-of-thrones-em-runs-out-of-453871355quote:This is the biggest question everybody's wondering about. With George R.R. Martin toiling away on book six of A Song of Ice and Fire, what happens when the Game of Thrones TV show runs out of material to adapt? The good news: they're not going to slow down the TV show's hectic pace, or pad it out. HBO'll finish the series with or without GRRM.
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Blind Sally posted:Entertainment Weekly article confirms what we all already knew: http://io9.com/what-happens-when-em-game-of-thrones-em-runs-out-of-453871355 Yeah, I think maybe you could turn books 4 and 5 into three seasons, and change up how you tell them (since they overlap so much.) And maybe you wouldn't even need three. I live with a secret hope that everything involved with Dorne can be entirely excised from the TV show.
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