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Liar Named Jesus posted:And when your job is basically, "You get bit before the vet does. If the vet gets bit, you'll probably be fired because you're not doing your job." At least, that was the spiel I got when I worked in a corporate run clinic as a KA. I hate it when clinics teach their techs to have this attitude. Your job should be to help make sure NO ONE gets bitten, not to take one for the team. I know I would be completely wrecked if one of my techs got maimed while holding and animal for me, especially if they put themselves in harm's way thinking that was their job.
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I'm in discussion and class until noon. I'll pop out at break and see if you guys are there and say hey if you are. If not, have a good visit back to valley and try to not have any ptsd flashbacks of pchem.
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Today I was in Starbucks doing an emergency med takehome exam, and there was a girl sitting near me telling her friends with her quite loudly about the fact that pugs were a messed up breed. She said that they get 'necrotizing esophageal meningitis' because their heads are too small for their brains, and also that lung lobe torsion was a common reason why they couldn't breathe very well. I hope she was an art major and not a pre-vet.
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Topoisomerase posted:Today I was in Starbucks doing an emergency med takehome exam, and there was a girl sitting near me telling her friends with her quite loudly about the fact that pugs were a messed up breed. She said that they get 'necrotizing esophageal meningitis' because their heads are too small for their brains, and also that lung lobe torsion was a common reason why they couldn't breathe very well. This both confuses me and scares me. Confused because she's obviously an idiot, and scared because now all of her friends are going to tell other people this misinformation. But to her credit, I will agree that pugs are a messed up breed. Even if they're adorable little bastards.
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When I was in undergrad there was a classmate of mine who came in to raise funds for her "rescue" group. She brought in a dog that she said had Down Syndrome and Cushion's disease. Sigh.
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Liar Named Jesus posted:But to her credit, I will agree that pugs are a messed up breed. Even if they're adorable little bastards. They are hell of gross and she totally had the right SYSTEMS, also to her credit. She was obviously mixing up some permutation of hydrocephalus and necrotizing meningoencephalitis, and perhaps should be looking more upper airway than lower when talking about the respiratory issues of the noble pug, of course. I guess it's one of my big pet peeves when people spread misinformation so glibly without checking themselves first. I was really proud of my restraint in public because well in the grand scheme of things it isn't a big deal it just made my neuro and genetics interested brain really, really sad. 
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Unfortunately, I don't have that much self restraint. I would've stood up and corrected her, but I would've been nice about it. I do have tact, sometimes. Thankfully, around here, most of the vet students are too scared to say things that might even be slightly wrong. And admittedly, I'm guilty of it, too. I'd rather look like an idiot by keeping my mouth shut than look like an idiot because I said something wrong. I do still ask questions, which is basically all I've been doing since I have a pathology practical exam on Friday. It shouldn't be too bad of an exam because my professor is pretty understanding of the whole subject. To the point that she doesn't reduce points if we're wrong, as long as we can justify why we think it's necrosis instead of melanosis, or vice versa. Though her goodwill only extends as far as that, if we're saying two things that just don't happen together in this instance (I can't think of any examples right now, but you should all know what I mean, I hope). And she specified that if we correlate certain clinical signs to a lesion that she has to look up to understand she'll get lovely, her words, and probably not keen on grading the rest of our exam. Oh, these crazy Australians. Which reminds me, I don't think I've mentioned this before, I go to Murdoch University in Perth, Australia. So, if anyone has any questions about this vet school or going to vet school internationally (I'm from Ohio) just ask.
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sat. posted:Oh god the lab I work in tested positive for rat parvovirus today. This week is going to suck a lot. All the literature I'm reading says there's pretty much nothing you can do besides preventing it from getting in in the first place. If it's anything like the cat and dog parvoviruses, yeah, that sounds majorly bad.
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Is there some sort of rule that c-sections don't happen during morning or early afternoon hours? All of mine seem to be late at night, just before or right at closing.
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Dr. Chaco posted:Is there some sort of rule that c-sections don't happen during morning or early afternoon hours? All of mine seem to be late at night, just before or right at closing. I assume people watch the dog in dystocia all day trying to figure out if they should come in and then either (a) decide they better come before you close or (b) don't want to go to sleep while the dog is still in labor so call on emergency. It makes sense to me honestly. (doesn't mean it doesn't suck poo poo tho - I hope you guys charge an emergency fee of some kind for this)
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Liar Named Jesus posted:Thankfully, around here, most of the vet students are too scared to say things that might even be slightly wrong. And admittedly, I'm guilty of it, too. I'd rather look like an idiot by keeping my mouth shut than look like an idiot because I said something wrong. I do still ask questions, which is basically all I've been doing since I have a pathology practical exam on Friday. This is the most annoying thing ever. It's like getting blood from a stone to get students to answer questions. My personal record is standing in front of a class for 3 minutes of total silence before someone blurted something out. Now I have an app on my iphone that plays a cricket noise that I run when people don't say something.
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Dr. Chaco posted:Is there some sort of rule that c-sections don't happen during morning or early afternoon hours? All of mine seem to be late at night, just before or right at closing.  Every once in a while they happen on a Sunday when we're normally closed, but even then, we've known the ballpark due-date for 2 months. Yay for ovulation timing and responsible breeders. 
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Liar Named Jesus posted:Thankfully, around here, most of the vet students are too scared to say things that might even be slightly wrong. And admittedly, I'm guilty of it, too. I'd rather look like an idiot by keeping my mouth shut than look like an idiot because I said something wrong. I do still ask questions, which is basically all I've been doing since I have a pathology practical exam on Friday. quote:Dr.: "Anything good happen in the veterinary world this past weekend?" quote:Dr.: "What are some potential problems in this foal?" quote:(Student claimed to be a professional endurance rider to the prof, she's not) Enelrahc fucked around with this message at 16:35 on May 22, 2013 |
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Enelrahc posted:I have three years of notes, mostly due to two people, who say the dumbest poo poo, and I keep a record in my lecture notes to make me laugh at later dates. Example from 3 lectures chosen at random: This is kind of why a lot of people don't want to say things in class btw js (others are just super scared of being wrong in front of a professor).  I answer stuff in class or rounds just to keep it fuckin moving along sometimes, whether I know what I'm talking about or not!
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Topoisomerase posted:This is kind of why a lot of people don't want to say things in class btw js (others are just super scared of being wrong in front of a professor). You know full well that this person is an outlier! A hilarious outlier.
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I haven't done anything in clinics yet, so I haven't had that amazing opportunity to have the class be quiet for 3 minutes with the professor standing there. My parasitology professor though was a dick when people were wrong. He would verbally berate someone for mixing up two different kinds of flies or for not knowing which strongyle egg he was showing. I forget how exactly the conversation went, but he would yell at people who got it wrong, and then question the rest of the class if they had been studying. It made all of us really just not want to answer at all. Finally he turned on me (I sit in the front row most days and had a bright green mohawk at the time, so stood out well) and asked. All I could come up with was, "How the hell should I know? You'd have to culture the egg to even find that out in most cases." Turns out, that was the answer he was looking for. But it went on for about five minutes. What really shits me off though, is in a review session for an exam coming up people won't pay attention and ask the same question multiple times. All it does is annoy the professor and waste time for those of us who actually do pay attention. I've had other professors though who are perfectly willing to accept any and all stupid questions and be able to say,"That's an interesting idea, but really, it doesn't work that way. It works like this." I'm far better at answering questions, even if I'm wrong, when in a small group. So, I probably won't be as quiet when my class gets split up into smaller groups and we're in the clinics doing rounds.
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Topoisomerase posted:I answer stuff in class or rounds just to keep it fuckin moving along sometimes, whether I know what I'm talking about or not! I was like that too. I still am, but there's not stupid question groups anymore. It was particularly bad for me in Radiology, especially during the clinics rotation. I was on with a few people that weren't the most confident and with my reputation for Radiology NOONE WOULD loving SAY ANYTHING because they just expected me to answer. I eventually stopped answering poo poo in rounds because I was feeling like I was talking way too much and oh by the way these people are gonna be vets too so they should answer poo poo. I started working on my computer since I had Radiology-related research to work on and I figured Rads is Rads. There were huge pauses and I just sat there because I was getting resentful of some of my classmates (though tbh the quiet ones were better than the ones who'd ask my opinion on rads and then parrot what I said and take credit). I ended up getting dinged for "being on my computer too much." I was really mad about that. I'm trying to get my classmates to realize that I'm not infallible, to trust in themselves, to be able to be confident and speak up (without making them self-conscious about it), and i get dinged. Whatever. What's worse is that on my extra weeks of Rads I made sure not to have my computer out ever and to talk more. I got the exact same eval. Ugh.
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HelloSailorSign posted:
That's because most evals are horrible and arbitrary and rarely helpful. Not to get any of you incoming 4th-years started out cynical or anything.
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Dr. Chaco posted:That's because most evals are horrible and arbitrary and rarely helpful. It's not like we don't know that. I don't think anything you can say would make enelrahc and I any more cynical than we already are. I actually was straight up told in summer clinics that I should probably answer less in Neuro rounds. I wasn't trying to be a gunner I promise. I just don't like long awkward silence and knew the topics and wanted to move on. I started just then giving my ideas to my rotationmates as covertly as possible after that. I don't really care if they take credit for them I guess, at least in that service they are aware that I know what I'm talking about. Topoisomerase fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 22, 2013 |
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Sorry if this belongs more in a different thread. I'll be happy to move it if so.  Can anyone talk a little bit about whether or not it's encouraged for pet owners to go in to a vet school for having tests done? Is it helpful to students, or are pet owners mostly supposed to go there for specific care? Why would pet owners normally end up there? I used to take one of my cats to the University of Wisconsin in Madison for semi-routine cardiology tests, which was awesome. I dropped my cat off for her appointment, waited a few hours, went back to pick her up when they called, and talked to the cardiologist and a student about any questions I had. They were happy to show me the results and talk to me at length about it. Afterward, they mailed all of the test results and their interpretation back to my normal vet. Does that sound like a standard experience for a veterinary school, or was it just Wisconsin being nice? It was really important to me that the cardiologist was willing to talk to me herself. Is that inconvenient for my normal vet? She didn't seem to have a problem with it, but I did avoid the usual specialist who traveled around to area vets for local cardiology tests. The specialist kind of sucked, from a pet owner perspective.  I'm about to have to do the same thing again, except I now live in Washington. My current vet can refer me to a specialist for cardiology tests, or I can travel to a vet school elsewhere in Washington or Oregon. How do you make that kind of choice yourselves?
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Since there are so few vet schools in the country, it isn't convenient for the vast majority of pet owners to take their pet to a teaching hospital. Veterinary teaching hospitals are for the most part large referral institutions with boarded specialist veterinarians who also perform the functions of (clinical and didactic) teaching of residents and students and actively doing research within their areas of interest in their specialties. There are a few different means through which a pet owner might end up at, say, our VMTH at UC Davis. 1) Our emergency service is the closest 24 hour emergency clinic for residents of Davis and the immediately nearby towns so if it's outside normal clinic operating hours most of the clinics within a certain radius refer their patients' emergencies here via door sticker, recorded message or direct contact with the owner. Pets that come in this way can be treated (medically or surgically) if necessary and released, hospitalized, or transferred back to the care of the referring/primary care vet or one of the hospital's specialty services if applicable to the animal's condition the next morning, depending on what's wrong, the urgency and owner finances. 2) A primary care veterinarian in our general region believes a case needs specialist attention, either for the greater diagnostic capabilities (like CT or MRI), advanced or really complex disease, or treatments that are generally beyond the scope of primary care (advanced surgeries, radiation therapy, abnormal cancers, etc) and offers referral to the owner as an option (hopefully with a good explanation of what to expect and why etc) then initiates the referral appointment with approval from the owner. They might offer referral to UC Davis and/or to one of the other specialty hospitals in Sacramento or the Bay area - this is dependent on their own experiences and relationships with the different hospitals and available appointments, how far the owner is willing to travel, etc. 3) Owner calls and directly wishes to make an appointment because they themselves believe their animal needs specialist attention and want to come to us for whatever reason. 4) Case blows the mind of another specialist and they want to send it here because there are larger teams of specialists, many of whom are well known and/or total sperglord savants in their fields who wrote all the books that people still use and have instant recall of every single zebra that was written up once in the Peruvian Journal of hosed-Up Wacky Endocrinopathies or whatever, and the owners are reasonably close enough or are rich enough to travel. 5) Vet Student and Veterinarian Pets whose diagnoses inevitably even elude aforementioned sperglord savants. In all scenarios the specialists at the teaching hospitals need to be regularly communicating with the owner and the referring and primary care DVMs for the pet. But any specialty hospital should do this. Anyway I don't even know if I answered your question but it was better than writing this personal business plan thing I'm supposed to be doing so whatever. Topoisomerase fucked around with this message at 22:41 on May 22, 2013 |
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Topoisomerase posted:
There's more to your plan than not being homeless or addicted to drugs?
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Dr. Chaco posted:There's more to your plan than not being homeless or addicted to drugs? I also put a tubal ligation in my SMART goals.
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Topoisomerase posted:Anyway I don't even know if I answered your question but it was better than writing this personal business plan thing I'm supposed to be doing so whatever. Thank you! That was actually really helpful. I didn't even know there were other specialty hospitals outside of the teaching schools, so I guess I'm just a hillbilly. 
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Khelmar posted:Now I have an app on my iphone that plays a cricket noise that I run when people don't say something.
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Liar Named Jesus posted:I haven't done anything in clinics yet, so I haven't had that amazing opportunity to have the class be quiet for 3 minutes with the professor standing there. The 3 minute thing was in lecture - on clinics I just threaten people with knives. Seriously, though, people on clinics are a little more likely to say something, whether it's because they're in small groups or whatever, and it's less of a problem. Evaluations are a tough subject. Imagine writing an individual evaluation for a big part of your vet school class after working with them for a week, and it gives you some idea. Everyone wants individual, in-depth evals, and some times that's just not possible. Hell, some days we're so busy I barely see the students if I'm running around dealing with a legal case. "You did a good job not burning the place down and not cutting off another student's appendage with the knife."
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Khelmar posted:Evaluations are a tough subject. Imagine writing an individual evaluation for a big part of your vet school class after working with them for a week, and it gives you some idea. Everyone wants individual, in-depth evals, and some times that's just not possible. Hell, some days we're so busy I barely see the students if I'm running around dealing with a legal case. "You did a good job not burning the place down and not cutting off another student's appendage with the knife." I don't think it would be as sore of a subject if we weren't graded on a pretty unforgiving scale along with the evals for our senior clinical rotations. Personally, my GPA is bruised enough that taking the clinics hit won't be a big deal for me, but a handful of my classmates will probably be seeing their first B+/B- ever in their lives within the next quarter and I'm sure there will be many bricks poo poo. Basically the clinics grades are A = outstanding, top 10-15% for the rotation (and most actually wind up being close to that distribution at the end too), B+ = above average, B- = competent, D = marginal and Y = fail. Have to repeat rotations with the next class if you get too many marginals IIRC. So there's a lot of stress around the whole evaluation thing with vet students at least at the beginning.
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Topoisomerase posted:I don't think it would be as sore of a subject if we weren't graded on a pretty unforgiving scale along with the evals for our senior clinical rotations. Personally, my GPA is bruised enough that taking the clinics hit won't be a big deal for me, but a handful of my classmates will probably be seeing their first B+/B- ever in their lives within the next quarter and I'm sure there will be many bricks poo poo. Yeah, I understand how hard it is to accurately and constructively evaluate everyone, but I wish the faculty and administration would also admit that and quit treating evaluations like they mean so much. The worst (in the hospital) was internal medicine--the whole rotation acted like getting an outstanding evaluation was the goal, not, say, learning medicine, and I actually got negative comments at my mid-rotation review to the effect of "you aren't trying to impress us like everyone else, you don't seem to care much." Of course, they were also misinterpreting the exhaustion that comes from 5 15+ hour days in a row as disinterest. Also since I was not applying for internships, I really had no compelling reason to kiss rear end when I could be doing something useful, like writing records and refilling the syringe pumps the ward techs wouldn't help me with. My goal for most rotations actually wasn't too much more complicated than "pass," which I guess stands out when they expect you to be sucking up. I swear I'm not too bitter. What I am bitter about is the externship I did where the head vet (who was the entire reason for picking this clinic) was gone for 2.5 of my 4.5 weeks, which I didn't find out would be the case until I got there, was the only one with input into my evaluation anyway, and he gave me mostly positive verbal feedback while I was there and a "marginal" (D-) eval once I got back. He made reference to events that never happened, directly contradicted some of the positive feedback he gave me in person, said my technical skills were sorely lacking when he only ever let me draw blood and place catheters (which I did competently), implied I would never get a job because I didn't have any job offers yet, mentioned how much he loved the classmate who was there right before me and would hire her in an instant, but would never hire me, said I was the worst student he had in 26 years but he wouldn't hold it against UCD, and recommended I repeat 4th year. For reference, he told me stories about his (previous) "worst student," and her pet snake escaped and ate the clinic parakeets and then she lied about it. Apparently I am worse than that. Fortunately, 5 weeks of "marginal" is not enough to make you repeat anything, and all of the rest of my evals were very good so the administration agreed with me that this wasn't quite fair.
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Ambitious Spider posted:I'm starting a vet assistant internship on Tuesday. Any words of wisdom? What does this mean? Are you going to be a Vet Assistant and haven't gotten into vet school yet, or are you in Vet School and are going to be a vet's assistant? If it's the former, be attentive and learn what they teach you. Observe a lot, be available to help, be friendly but not too chatty unless they initiate. Don't get into the middle of things until someone asks (to start). Once people become more comfortable with you then you can start asking questions, volunteering for things, learning more. If its the latter, take a day or two to see how the clinic runs, but ask questions about what's going on so you can know how the clinic runs. Then impress people, act as if you're being pimped all the time. Don't upset the techs, whatever you do.
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If you look far back in Pet Island I started a vet tech and assistant thread. We probably can offer you more help there. I believe it has the gross tag if that makes searching easier.
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Shnooks posted:If you look far back in Pet Island I started a vet tech and assistant thread. We probably can offer you more help there. I believe it has the gross tag if that makes searching easier. Thanks. I'll take a look
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Dr. Chaco posted:If it's anything like the cat and dog parvoviruses, yeah, that sounds majorly bad. It's a weird situation. The sentinel animals in our room (i.e. rats exposed to bedding samples from every cage in the room) were seropositive for the virus on Monday. We spent all week running PCR on fecal pellets picked randomly throughout the colony to confirm it but they all came back negative. It's as if the virus is *somewhere* in the room but we don't know where. Which seems strange to me because rat parvovirus is just as hardy as cat/dog parvo and should spread easily. I feel bad for the vet in this situation since I don't really know what she's going to tell the investigators. "Well there might be a virus in this room which will screw over 6 months of your research, but there might not be..."
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You know what, even the water baby pup was kinda cute... Technical term is anasarca. Pup is diffusely swollen with fluid, usually has a lot of other congenital defects, tries to live but usually doesn't. Good picture. Probably is  but i don't think it's that bad.http://www.drostproject.org/en_canrep/9-33/itemtop3.html
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It's Sunday of a holiday weekend, in a small town that tends to attract summer weekend tourists. We are the only clinic open today for 90 minutes in any direction, and HSS and I are known to have a curse for bizarre, often surgical cases when both of us are on together. I'm scared.
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Topoisomerase posted:Oh if it's post our leaked schedule time: Like omg, you and Enelrahc are gonna be fourth years! Has this changed? Important question. Mainly because I might refer more things than I normally would so I can VMACS stalk the record and be an annoying refvet. Also so you have to read my hand writing.
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HelloSailorSign posted:Like omg, you and Enelrahc are gonna be fourth years! Has this changed? Important question.  A little but not much. Also all of my SA Med weeks are actually on B not that it matters. I will give you one guess as to which service I have volunteered to cover over the Christmas holiday, as well. edit: my records are unironically amazing. Just ask my surgery partner. Dr. Stroem's praise of my SOAPs and discharge instructions made me blush.
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