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GoatSeeGuy posted:Pre-Janet Jackson's nipple most shock jocks were pretty right wing, mostly in a Hippy punching/fag jokes/women back in the kitchen sort of way, especially while Democrats were the party trying to grandstand off the music industry. This is where guys like Beck, or Todd Schnitt came from. Stern himself spent the better part of 20 years doing homocop bits, and even campaigned for governor of New York for like 2 weeks talking up the death penalty. God, that was a loving embarrassment. Literally the reason why they were going after the record industry was that the democrat christians fell for the right wing crazy line of bullshit about a conspiracy of secret Satanists in the recording industry. I'm not making that up. People like Tipper Gore were going after the record industry because they seriously thought Satanists were trying to influence children, as part of the whole "Satanic panic" of the 80s-90s. What's even more an embarrassment was that as a result, normally liberal type people showed perhaps their 'true colors' as they got driven towards 'political incorrectness' and right-wing bully type of humor. It was a nasty, mean, vile time when the 'rebels against mainstream society' were racist sexist homophobic assholes. Where the rebellion against the status quo meant to drive towards lovely right wing ish politics. The 'legacy' of that time is that to this day there are loving assholes who confuse being racist sexist homophobic assholes with humor or being 'edgy/pushing the envelope.' But who totally forget the 'humor' and 'wit' part in their asinine bullying of weaker groups. Anyway, it should come as no surprise that several comedy figures that we thought as kids growing up were rebels against the status quo are now regularly featured on poo poo like Fox news. That's what a lot of them always were - right wing bigots and bullies. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jul 6, 2013 |
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^^^ Right wing media has been single handily responsible for the success of so many careers in the music industry, just for giving massive amounts of free publicity to the very people they criticize. Remember when Marilyn Manson released AntiChrist Superstar in 1996? The loving media back then literally made him out to be just as dangerous as Osama Bin Laden was post 9/11. It's ironically loving hilarious what these people on the right in the media do to themselves.
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This past week I was put through a unique form of torture. I went on a 4 hour road trip with my wife's father and aunt. My aunt spent the entire time reading headlines from Drudge and the Blaze off her phone, while my father-in-law had conservative talk radio playing at medium-low volume underneath. And I'd promised my wife I wouldn't argue with them. I nearly bit my tongue off keeping that promise. I'm just aghast at how much vileness and hatred there is. In the right-wing media, there is no good news and no joy. There's not even humor or sarcasm. The entire apparatus appears to be there just to get them angrier and angrier, and they actively seek this out.
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Righteous fury is literally addictive. Limbaugh is a drug.
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I'll occasionally listen to right wing radio for laughs (hearing that Mark Levin guy freak out about something is pretty great because he sounds like Master Shake when he gets angry) but it quickly becomes too much to bear and I find myself yelling at the radio or something. What I'm saying is it's good to... take a break from looking into the maw of madness that is conservative media every once in a while.
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Monkey Fracas posted:What I'm saying is it's good to... take a break from looking into the maw of madness that is conservative media every once in a while. John Carpenter's 'Mouth of Madness' can be seen as a series of 80's/90's movies looking at how people are affected by media. A rough list would be: Videodrome They Live Naked Lunch Mouth of Madness eXisTenz When the 'Romney Death Rally' was a twitter trend I was reminded of 'Mouth of Madness' Do you read Ayn Rand?
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McDowell posted:'Romney Death Rally' This was the best.  quote:"I can be slain by no man," Romney bellows, breath of rot and sulfur. Did that whole thing ever get any traction in the right wing media? Even a "kids these days!" kinda thing?
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XyloJW posted:This past week I was put through a unique form of torture. I went on a 4 hour road trip with my wife's father and aunt. My aunt spent the entire time reading headlines from Drudge and the Blaze off her phone, while my father-in-law had conservative talk radio playing at medium-low volume underneath. And I'd promised my wife I wouldn't argue with them. I nearly bit my tongue off keeping that promise. It's pretty great, huh? See, when Bush was in charge they really didn't have all that much to complain about other than how the rest of the world hates America because they're jealous or how some state is doing this or that, but at a federal level they really couldn't complain because Bush was getting everything they wanted done. During Bush's presidency I think Rush's listener numbers steadily dropped off because he didn't have enough anger fuel to get foaming at the mouth mad about. Obama saved them, though.
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XyloJW posted:I'm just aghast at how much vileness and hatred there is. In the right-wing media, there is no good news and no joy. There's not even humor or sarcasm. The entire apparatus appears to be there just to get them angrier and angrier, and they actively seek this out. What I don't get is how these cocksuckers on the radio still have millions of listeners in the age of the internet/Iphones. Oh wait, that same said demographic mentioned above doesn't even know how to use these or even know what they are.
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Devour posted:This 100% true. This also affects an individuals mental health, which inevitably affects their physical health. These guys on the radio & Fox News have probably been the cause of numerous anxiety attacks/heart disease among elders for quite some time now. When you're constantly telling that demographic everyday that everything they believe in/worked for their entire lives is being systematically destroyed by Part of it is that the authoritarian personality type digs in when they meet contradictory information. I was debating my dad a while back, and I was like "Wait, if you were shown new evidence, would you change your position?" and he flat out said "No." So even if people do see the information, they ignore it and double down on their initial beliefs.
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McDowell posted:John Carpenter's 'Mouth of Madness' can be seen as a series of 80's/90's movies looking at how people are affected by media. A rough list would be: Coincidentally, I was a fan of all of those movies \/  \/Things like #RomneyDeathRally are why I have a Twitter account.
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Monkey Fracas posted:Coincidentally, I was a fan of all of those movies \/ They're all great, especially the Cronenberg stuff.
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LowellDND posted:Part of it is that the authoritarian personality type digs in when they meet contradictory information. I was debating my dad a while back, and I was like "Wait, if you were shown new evidence, would you change your position?" and he flat out said "No." It's no different than smokers who have been told for decades now how bad it is for them and just refuse to even consider stopping. The mix of righteous rage combined with constant reassurance by a figure of authority that they are right/better/smarter than the dreaded other is intoxicating and as far as technology goes they would learn to program supercomputers if that was their only source of getting this stuff. It's part of the reason that even as the audience numbers decline talk stations still make huge amounts of cash, advertisers know they have a relatively well off captive audience known for doing what they are told.
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XyloJW posted:This past week I was put through a unique form of torture. I went on a 4 hour road trip with my wife's father and aunt. My aunt spent the entire time reading headlines from Drudge and the Blaze off her phone, while my father-in-law had conservative talk radio playing at medium-low volume underneath. And I'd promised my wife I wouldn't argue with them. I nearly bit my tongue off keeping that promise. Welcome to my world. My Father in Law's start up page is Drudge and every Christmas I get to hear regular updates on "the news" as we eat breakfast. Last year, when the Sandy relief bill was being voted on, I was treated to an I-pad page about how it was "loaded with a bunch drat PORK" so I asked to see it so that I could source the article, see what he meant, crunch the numbers etc. and he was angry, saying "you don't have to look around, it's right there!" One Bretbart or Infowars page. The numbers, percentages and the math were wrong. We've agreed not to discuss politics, especially over the Holidays, so I went to Mom in Law and ratted him out for breaking the rules, but I left the math and number crunching rebuttal pages open on his browser. Yes you DO, Charlie, need to source your information and stop believing everything Drudge links on his home page. YES...YOU...DO. At least if you expect me to take it seriously. It was funny telling on him and having his wife scolding him for breaking the rules. My in laws know that me and my wife are dirty rotten commie liberals. E: Crasscrab posted:See, when Bush was in charge they really didn't have all that much to complain about other than how the rest of the world hates America because they're jealous or how some state is doing this or that, but at a federal level they really couldn't complain because Bush was getting everything they wanted done. They complained constantly. I couldn't figure it out. Still can't. Seemed to me they got their way on everything. Even Democrats and "the liberal media" were caving to whatever Bush wanted and failing to do their jobs. Didn't stop them from bitching about (non-existent and voiceless) liberals everywhere rooting for terrorists to win and dumb poo poo like that. Listening to them, you'd have thought the Iraq and Afghanistan war protests rivaled the best efforts and turnouts of the Vietnam era. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jul 8, 2013 |
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I caught some Rush today and heard him touting this brilliant idea of his from 3 years ago:mediamatters.org posted:LIMBAUGH: Then, a companion story from AOL News: "Record Number of US Kids Facing Summer of Hunger." "With the sc-rewl year ending in communities across America, more than 16 million children face a summer of hunger." Now, Michelle Obama told us they're all so fat and out of shape and overweight that a summer off from government eating might be just the ticket. No real idea why he brought it up again today since it came on as I tuned in, but holyyyy gently caress is it a terrible idea. Why would you even attach your name to something as vile as "Why don't starving kids just eat some trash?  "EDIT: ahahaha, straight from the excrement pool Rush Limbaugh posted:RUSH: Let's go to the audio sound bites. We've gotta go back. I don't know how this happened. C-SPAN took a call today on their Washington Journal from a guy in New York upset about something I said three years ago. Let's go back. It's almost exactly three years ago. June 16th, 2010. Now, at the time, folks, there was panic in the Drive-By Media over what kids were going to do to eat since the schools were closing for the summer and school breakfast was a big deal and school lunch was a big deal and the media was worrying, "Well, where will the kids of America go to eat?" And I, always interested in public service, decided to offer some solutions. : Clearly the libs are the ones overreacting here. I was just offering some sound advice to prevent their parasitic offspring from starving.
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BiggerBoat posted:Welcome to my world. My Father in Law's start up page is Drudge and every Christmas I get to hear regular updates on "the news" as we eat breakfast. Last year, when the Sandy relief bill was being voted on, I was treated to an I-pad page about how it was "loaded with a bunch drat PORK" so I asked to see it so that I could source the article, see what he meant, crunch the numbers etc. and he was angry, saying "you don't have to look around, it's right there!" The funny part was I didn't even need to know it was Drudge and the Blaze. I could just tell from hearing the headlines alone. And that's all she did. Read a headline, scoff, laugh, "can you believe that?" and move on. Later on, she confirmed that it was the Blaze and Drudge. Anyway, I basically did the same thing you did. I got home and tattled on them to my wife, who chewed her dad out because he knows my politics and was doing it to piss me off. Her aunt didn't know and apologized for putting me through that. She was genuinely contrite and said she'd've lost her mind if she was trapped in a car with people reading Daily Kos and playing MSNBC. BiggerBoat posted:They complained constantly. I couldn't figure it out. Still can't. Seemed to me they got their way on everything. Even Democrats and "the liberal media" were caving to whatever Bush wanted and failing to do their jobs. Didn't stop them from bitching about (non-existent and voiceless) liberals everywhere rooting for terrorists to win and dumb poo poo like that. Listening to them, you'd have thought the Iraq and Afghanistan war protests rivaled the best efforts and turnouts of the Vietnam era.
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XyloJW posted:Anyway, I basically did the same thing you did. I got home and tattled on them to my wife, who chewed her dad out because he knows my politics and was doing it to piss me off. I feel like you ought be allowed to read a bunch of chapters of Das Kapital to him.
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kik2dagroin posted:I caught some Rush today and heard him touting this brilliant idea of his from 3 years ago: Nothing like a giant, rich fat rear end like Rich Limbaugh opining on starving vs. obesity. XyloJW posted:Ted Rall is why. No, there were many others. Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Bill Maher, Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, The Dixie Chicks and whoever that Native American professor was who was talking about America asking for it on the lecture circuit (what was his name? Churchill?) Something like that. That's just to name a few off the top of my head. Rather than bask in "victory", most of them complained about semi-marginal figures who dared to speak out. They wasted all their good will and time buying cheap American flag stickers, making fun of John Kerry with purple band aids and fell all over themselves trying to spot any fly on the wedding cake who didn't want to nuke the Middle East and behead Saddam Hussein. Anyone who dared speak out loud that invading Iraq might be a bad idea or oppose anything Bush wanted like, say, the Patriot Act, was deemed an enemy of America. And those who did run against the people were a huge, huge minority. Public support for those things was in the 75 - 80% range and these people still wouldn't shut the gently caress up and enjoy their lives.
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I remember when I searched "Tom Daschle" on YouTube the second completion was "Tom Daschle disgrace" and there was a video of Rush ranting about Daschle. I wonder how big that was in leading to Daschle's defeat? e: Glenn Beck: Hospitalized Heinz Kerry May Be Faking Stay classy, Glenn 
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I'm fascinated by you guys who have pacts to not discuss politics with your family/in-laws because the arguments might get too heated or something. I'm not making fun or condemning, its just an alien experience for me. I'll argue and debate with everyone in my family. Whenever we hit that wall were their (dumb) ideas don't have much steam left, I'll usually just shrug it off with a exasperated look. It's not the best resolution, but the whole "can't discuss politics" is just strange.
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I *can* discuss politics with my family just fine. It just doesn't *get* anywhere, so I usually don't bother. Half my family agrees with me already and the other half is so stunningly sheltered/privileged that they will never, ever understand, so there's not much point. Maybe if they spent a few years NOT watching Fox News or listening to talk radio first. My favorite example was trying to explain why the proposed Arizona laws were unconstitutional and getting "That's crazy, the law doesn't say that, if it said that it would be unconstitutional!" Yes exactly. They aren't going to listen to me, I'm just their brother, if I'm right and Limbaugh's wrong they wasted all that time in the car.
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Actual exchange of ideas is neat and worthwhile, particularly if it's with people you're close to. But a lot of social engagement is people looking for reinforcement or validation of their opinion, and expressing frustration when they don't get it. With politics, the latter can be a pretty predictable outcome with some people, and if you want to spend quality time with them it's easier to avoid the subject.
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I used to think it was a silly rule to not discuss politics at Thanksgiving or Christmas. Back then, 3 of my cousins close to my age, a couple of aunts, my father and I would argue in circles with the rest of the family for an hour or 2 as liberal vs conservative, until my extremely conservative grandfather (Reagan and Bush I autographed photos on mantle) would get mad and threaten to throw us out of his house. But then Loose Change happened and suddenly my father and I were the only sane people left in the room. I now agree politics should not be discussed when I'm trying to gorge myself with family.
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Because its a waste of loving time to try to reason with family members who think Obama is a socialist and that global warming is a hoax. Here's the sequence of events: 1. The shitheaded family member brings up some politically charged talking point they want to whine about 2. You point out that its bullshit 3. They throw out dumb loving links that don't prove poo poo 4. You pull out links that prove that its bullshit and they're retarded 5. They don't trust the source of the links because its from some liberal indoctrination college, or some loving retarded bullshit like that 6. You ask why your links that have more scientific consensus and do more to factually prove your position are suspect, while their retarded loving 'foundation for tea party agressive shitstaining' website has more reliable information 7. They bring out the stupid loving "It's just common sense!" argument 8. You tell them your poo poo disproves "common sense" 9. The argument either gets even more heated until people calm each side down or the retard says you can't be reasoned with because you use facts.
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Doctor Butts posted:Because its a waste of loving time to try to reason with family members who think Obama is a socialist and that global warming is a hoax. Do you even have any evidence for this, Lieberal?  Common Sense says otherwise.
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The last few posts have reminded me of this: My entire family is deeply conservative so there's not much of this.
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Emden posted:The last few posts have reminded me of this: N-no... Not the dog! 
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Doctor Butts posted:The shitheaded family member brings up some politically charged talking point they want to whine about This right here is the core of the problem. The only mode of political engagement a lot of people encounter is a heavily emotion-driven group validation, where folks are listening to or saying expressions of ideas to make them feel good rather than anything to do with the content of that idea. If everyone's a member of the group already or is ambivalent, there's no friction there. If somebody's got a strong identification with the other group, both sides get frustrated. A response of "Actually, I think he's doing a fine job" to a throwaway complaint about the President is emotionally rebuffing the complainer, even as it feels like responding to an attack. And given the poverty of our political discourse, both comments are more likely to phrased as barbed zingers than something more inviting to discussion. People who get off on conflict might like that, but I'd rather shift the conversation to TV shows or the weather or whatever. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Doctor Butts posted:9. The argument either gets even more heated until people calm each side down or the retard says you can't be reasoned with because you use facts. This. This right here. My wife is a pretty moderate person re: politics but her family are stereotypical wealthy landowners who are wealthy because the land they inherited has oil on it. My brother in law, a firefighter who rails about socialism despite working for the government, got seriously pissed at my wife for disproving his BS point about foreign aid draining our economy by showing him actual data demonstrating how little we actually give out. He seriously said (paraphrasing here): "every time we talk about this stuff you always have some stupid chart or study to whip out. Don't you work for a living?" People like this get angry when they are proven wrong. They don't honestly believe their Tea Party science is better, they'd just rather be dishonest than acknowledge they are in the wrong. To your average American, there is nothing worse than "losing". That's why they hate Obama so much - not because he's black, but because he's black and had the audacity to win (and make them lose). They'll never forgive him for that.
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Unzip and Attack posted:This. This right here. My wife is a pretty moderate person re: politics but her family are stereotypical wealthy landowners who are wealthy because the land they inherited has oil on it. My brother in law, a firefighter who rails about socialism despite working for the government, got seriously pissed at my wife for disproving his BS point about foreign aid draining our economy by showing him actual data demonstrating how little we actually give out. He seriously said (paraphrasing here): "every time we talk about this stuff you always have some stupid chart or study to whip out. Don't you work for a living?" These people also have no idea what socialism even is. Almost every single one of them think that Europe is socialist, despite all of them having market economies. To them: socialism = government help = evil. They've no knowledge of how socialism is the rejection of the private ownership of the means of production. EDIT: Also, these people think the Nordic countries are repressive or economically stagnant, which can is far from the truth.
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I don't even try with my extended family, since it would be Me Vs An Entire Room Of People. I should have said something when my uncle was all "Black people/Those people are just difffffeeeerrreeennt, ya'know? There's a reason so many of them are in prison!" I am a coward, I guess  There's also a reason I drink heavily at every family gathering. It is to ensure my gently caress-It(tm) circuits are fully engaged.Euggh. Oh. OK- here's something less depressing (maybe) and more pertinent to the thread: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/09/limbaugh-says-its-time-to-turn-off-fox-news/ Hilarious conservative cannibalizing or horrifying Overton Window shift? You Decide!
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Monkey Fracas posted:I don't even try with my extended family, since it would be Me Vs An Entire Room Of People. I should have said something when my uncle was all "Black people/Those people are just difffffeeeerrreeennt, ya'know? There's a reason so many of them are in prison!" I am a coward, I guess Well, what can you do realistically if they're that bad? EDIT: XyloJW posted:I mean, it's not impossible to break someone free from this poo poo, it just takes months of challenging it day in, day out. When you only see this person just a few times a year, you can't expect to change their entire worldview. This. It takes a lot of time to unlearn all of their bullshit and actually seek material outside of Fox News/Druge/Rush. Also, it takes self actualization to realize everything you've experienced in your life is anecdotal compared to the bigger picture. \/ \/ \/ \/ Mitchicon fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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I mean, it's not impossible to break someone free from this poo poo, it just takes months of challenging it day in, day out. When you only see this person just a few times a year, you can't expect to change their entire worldview.
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Sarah Palin sets her crosshairs on pop culture. ASSIMILATE!quote:After years of being taunted by the liberal media, Sarah Palin believes that it’s time for conservatives to reclaim a space on the arts and culture scene.  This is pretty amusing. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just simply don't see Colleges & Universities changing their tones in regards to History & Political Science courses. I know she's just quickly pulling this poo poo out of her rear end just to rile people up in order to make a few headlines since she got her gig at FOX News back, but nonetheless it's still pretty telling that one can believe they can change the ideology of Hollywood too! Especially since China is rapidly becoming Hollywood's largest audience!
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Gozinbulx posted:I'm fascinated by you guys who have pacts to not discuss politics with your family/in-laws because the arguments might get too heated or something. I'm not making fun or condemning, its just an alien experience for me. I'll argue and debate with everyone in my family. Whenever we hit that wall were their (dumb) ideas don't have much steam left, I'll usually just shrug it off with a exasperated look. It's not the best resolution, but the whole "can't discuss politics" is just strange. I can't imagine what it's like to have folks who are so obnoxious about their political beliefs they have to constantly annoy their own family with them. Even the few folks I have who are a bit more Jesus-y it never comes up and to be honest I have no clue if they're extremely conservative or not. And if they were they were all raised to be polite about that sort of stuff.
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"Fightin" Palin posted:“Conservatives aren’t infiltrating and influencing pop culture enough, and we’re missing the boat.” Palin said in a recent interview. “That’s why I’m fine with, for instance, Bristol being on the shows she’s been on, and why I preach against preaching to the choir.” Jeez, "infiltrating" is such an unnecessarily... well, evil choice of words. I know we should really just be ignoring Palin, but how she talks always provides such interesting insight into the conservative mentality. It's a bald-faced admission that they think they're at war with everyone who doesn't think like they do and will use whatever underhanded tactics at their disposal to "win".
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BiggerBoat posted:Listening to them, you'd have thought the Iraq and Afghanistan war protests rivaled the best efforts and turnouts of the Vietnam era. I was under the impression that the Iraq war protests were absolutely massive both globally and in the US, but that the media was largely unwilling to touch it at the time and the police response was massive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003_anti-war_protest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_20,_2003_anti-war_protest
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