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In something totally unrelated to any current discussions, I can't help but think this is hilariously on-target with Eva.
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Regalingualius posted:In something totally unrelated to any current discussions, I can't help but think this is hilariously on-target with Eva. I don't think I've ever squeed before. I would describe the sound I just made as a squee.
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Aug 14, 2013 07:33
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I've always preferred this AMV, but that was pretty funny.
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Another round of AMV/parody posting, yay!Wade Wilson posted:I've always preferred this AMV, but that was pretty funny. Holy poo poo, that was fantastic. The editing was brilliant.
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Aug 14, 2013 14:33
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Spiritus Nox posted:I don't really think he was actually thinking "I will destroy the world if it saves Rei" so much as he was thinking "If I succeed at nothing else, I drat well am going to get this right." It's not as though we have much reason to think he had any awareness of what was happening after he...spirit-dove into Zeruel, for lack of a better phrase. I really like the points you make, but I don't think it's just a coincidence that Shinji shouts "I don't care what happens to the world" given its state in Eva 3.33. Sure, it's something he's saying under extreme duress and he can't know its consequences, but it's almost as if Eva Unit 01 took his boast literally. Unit 01 allowed him to "save" Rei but at the cost of the near eradication of all life on Earth. There's a moral lesson somewhere in there.  That's what makes Eva 3.33 so startling in how it presents the aftermath of the previous film. I watched Eva 2.22 with a friend long before 3.33 was ever released, and we were polarized by 2.22's climax. I saw the ending as a sweet moment where Shinji takes a chance and steps out of his comfort zone to actually accomplish something he wants. He saw Shinji as a selfish kid who was lashing out the world for taking away one of his "toys," but we both have very different interpretations of Shinji's character to begin with. I was really surprised to see with Eva 3.33 that my friend's reading of Shinji was somewhat vindicated. Shinji is being held accountable for his "selfish" desire to save Rei at the cost of everything else. Then there's what Tuxedo Catfish said earlier, that Shinji wants to save Rei because he sees so much of his self in her and desperately needs her. It really makes it hard for me to make up my mind whether we're supposed to empathize with Shinji or vilify him. Well, that's Eva for you. It wouldn't be nearly as interesting without all the great character complexities.
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I don't think it's far fetched to emphathize. He's basically forced to pilot and then work out for himself whether he actually wants to, and he's doing something heroic to save a friend. There's no indication in 3.33 that he knew what he was doing in the moment. He might've said he didn't care what happened to the world and 01 might've enabled him, but when he comes back he doesn't actually feel guilt about deciding to save Rei until someone clues him in that "his" Rei is still missing and it was all for nothing. I just think it's funny how 1.11 and 2.22 looked like maaaaaybe this was a version where Shinji isn't completely poo poo on and then ahhhhhhhhhh poo poo, sorry. Turns out you killed everybody and you didn't even save Rei and everyone hates you.
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RebBrownies posted:Just saw You Are (Not) Alone. And I have a few questions. If the loop theory ends up holding water, then it seems like the if he took the path the parentheticals suggest, the cycle would be broken: You Are (Not) Alone and You Can (Not) Advance: If he would have stayed around, he could have helped with the fight against the Angel at the end of 2 which might have negated advancing Unit01 from fully activating. He otherwise left leaving the only line of defense remaining was Rei and her damaged Eva, as Auska was hospitalized and no one knew about Mari. It could even apply with to his refusal to advance on the Angel that Asuka was piloting. He clearly saw the Entry Plug sticking out, being a bit passive at the start of the fight he could have yanked it out and then finished off the Angel. You Can (Not) Redo: His attempts to undo everything bad just played right into what is suppose to happen Even if the loop stuff never pans out, the alternate parenthetical discourse would have still prevented t a lot of the bad poo poo that happened from happening. Terminal Entropy fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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I think the biggest issue with Shinji isn't that he caused the impact in 2.22, which we can sympathize with if we want to, but that he learned jack poo poo from almost causing armageddon and proceed to do it again. He refuses to understand the concepts of sacrifice and loss and seeks only redemption at the cost of anything else.
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Aug 14, 2013 18:09
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How many run-throughs have there been so far again? Four or so? I like to think the "alternate universe" actually happened in one run-through, and even in that wonderfully idealistic world it all still got hosed up somehow.
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In AU Eva, a random angel (useless spider angel, perhaps) just goes and strolls right into Terminal Dogma. Because there are no Evas around. Thanks Yui!
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I don't think it's far fetched to emphathize. He's basically forced to pilot and then work out for himself whether he actually wants to, and he's doing something heroic to save a friend. There's no indication in 3.33 that he knew what he was doing in the moment. He might've said he didn't care what happened to the world and 01 might've enabled him, but when he comes back he doesn't actually feel guilt about deciding to save Rei until someone clues him in that "his" Rei is still missing and it was all for nothing. Exactly. Shinji is, in many ways, an utter failure of a human being. But he can only be ascribed so much blame for this when basically everyone who's ever had real power over him aside from Misato has specifically set out to make him this way - from the broader problem of Gendo's neglect and cruelty leading to Shinji's crippling depression and anxiety, to the more specific problem of putting Shinji in the Eva allegedly to protect things he values when in fact the Eva is a force for very little besides destruction. Shinji's been mislead and abused and manipulated almost since the day he was born - what he needs isn't to 'man up'. The emotional damage that has been inflicted on him has been much too severe for that. The kid just needs a goddamn hug - one that doesn't have any strings attached and that doesn't end up with the hugger's head exploding in his face.
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Also? 14 years old. That's not really an age to be making significant, literally world-changing decisions. That's an age to be masturbating like 5 times a day, growing six inches in a summer, and not really worrying about anything but what'll be on the next test.
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Aug 14, 2013 22:56
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Unless you're in game of thrones then you're fair game
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Captain Invictus posted:Also? 14 years old. That's not really an age to be making significant, literally world-changing decisions. That's an age to be masturbating like 5 times a day, growing six inches in a summer, and not really worrying about anything but what'll be on the next test. Doesn't the Japanese education system do just that, beyond the flaccid career thinking stuff that normally gets done?
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Terminal Entropy posted:Doesn't the Japanese education system do just that, beyond the flaccid career thinking stuff that normally gets done? Stereotypes (or truths, for all I know) about Japanese/Far East culture aside, I really don't know that you can compare the poo poo Shinji goes through to studying for a test, even one with job concerns on the table.
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I know I'm a little behind on the times, but I just started watching this and it is pretty interesting. Having watched lots of anime post-Evangelion, it's really cool seeing the source of lots of other tropes - I'm also trying not to let the 'Seinfield is Unfunny' effect set in. For example, I know that NGA and Tengen Toppa were both made by Gainax, and holy cow there are so many parallels in the first couple of episodes! - Humanity hides underground from surface creatures - Protagonist unwillingly has to fight right off the bat - Protagonist hulks out to fix damage to the mecha - Mecha have a very positive response to the protagonist despite no experience (though this could be common in lots of anime I'll admit) - There were a few other things I can't remember right now It feels like they are at opposite ends of the same genre-spectrum, though. Whereas TTGL was happy-go-lucky and fights are where hilarity ensues, the first battle the NGA protagonist gets in loving breaks him, and as grotesque as it was I liked the realistic approach. If you throw a middle schooler into a loving warzone, of course he isn't going to come back without PTSD. The only thing I don't like about the show so far are all the long, drawn-out still shots. I understand that it is trying to be more mellow and dramatic, but jesus christ do those scenes last forever sometimes. The art itself is pretty good - it doesn't exactly hold up to modern anime - but there are lots of little details that add to the realism of each scene. The design of the angels is great too, and I love their variety and uniqueness. There are too many shows where the antagonists are just bigger/stronger versions of the last schmuck. Anyways, I know the ending has a reputation for being extremely controversial, so I'll try not to spoil myself, but I think I'll be able to take it. I secretly hope that it's one of those good-but-confusing endings that leaves most people riled up because they were too small-minded to understand what the gently caress just happened. Worst case scenario, it doesn't answer anything and I move on to supplementary material to figure it out. I suppose there are even worse scenarios, but eh, it would take a lot of abuse to make me mad. That's not an invitation.
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biomatter posted:The only thing I don't like about the show so far are all the long, drawn-out still shots. I understand that it is trying to be more mellow and dramatic, but jesus christ do those scenes last forever sometimes. The art itself is pretty good - it doesn't exactly hold up to modern anime - but there are lots of little details that add to the realism of each scene. The design of the angels is great too, and I love their variety and uniqueness. There are too many shows where the antagonists are just bigger/stronger versions of the last schmuck. Just a heads about that: you can see when they started to run out of time and money, as the drawn out shots get a lot longer later on, though it only happens a couple of times.
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biomatter posted:The only thing I don't like about the show so far are all the long, drawn-out still shots. I understand that it is trying to be more mellow and dramatic, but jesus christ do those scenes last forever sometimes. The art itself is pretty good - it doesn't exactly hold up to modern anime - but there are lots of little details that add to the realism of each scene. Hahaha, boy are you in for a treat.
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On the other hand one of those ludicrously drawn-out shots is one of the most memorable scenes/events in the series, so it's not all bad.biomatter posted:I secretly hope that it's one of those good-but-confusing endings that leaves most people riled up because they were too small-minded to understand what the gently caress just happened. Yeah I think you're gonna like End of Evangelion. 
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edit: yeah I'll just remove my post and replace it with Dred's. You better not skip it, either.Dred Cosmonaut posted:Hahaha, boy are you in for a treat.
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I don't understand 1/4th of EOE and it's still one of my favorite things ever. Also great for getting stoned to.
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biomatter posted:The only thing I don't like about the show so far are all the long, drawn-out still shots. I understand that it is trying to be more mellow and dramatic, but jesus christ do those scenes last forever sometimes. The convenient-camera-angle thing is parodied in the movies (when they had a much larger budget to work with). Characters will occasionally hold an object just beside their faces while speaking - but the mouth flaps are still visible, and there's usually a crapton of expensive 3DCG stuff occurring in the background. NGE loves to gently caress with its audience.
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GulMadred posted:NGE loves to gently caress with its audience. Best thing about it.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Also great for getting stoned to. Just the thought of this scares me.
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House Louse posted:Just the thought of this scares me. I'd think it'd be scarier still to do the above, but to have something else playing over that song during that sequence.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:On the other hand one of those ludicrously drawn-out shots is one of the most memorable scenes/events in the series, so it's not all bad. I think the drawn-out shots perfectly reflect the crushing moodiness of the latter half of the show (both of which were coincidentally brought about by budget constraints!).
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If nothing else I think that they handle their budget troubles with a lot more finesse and style than most manage.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I don't understand 1/4th of EOE and it's still one of my favorite things ever. Also great for getting stoned to.  I watched the T.V. series and EoE well before I got into mind altering substances. I have new plans for this weekend.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:On the other hand one of those ludicrously drawn-out shots is one of the most memorable scenes/events in the series, so it's not all bad. Out of curiosity, which scene are you talking about exactly? I could think of several off the top of my head.
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Yureina posted:Out of curiosity, which scene are you talking about exactly? I could think of several off the top of my head. The scene where Shinji spends more than a minute holding Kaworu with Unit-01 before killing him. At least, that's what I'm betting on. Sure there's plenty of scenes where people just stand around (the elevator one with Rei and Asuka is my favorite), but that one's undoubtedly the "big one".
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:On the other hand one of those ludicrously drawn-out shots is one of the most memorable scenes/events in the series, so it's not all bad. I don't know, I liked those drawn out scenes, seemed more realistic in a sense, good contrast to the ultra dramatic battle sequences. Also, the end of Evangelion is without a doubt one of the best endings to a show I have ever seen.
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biomatter posted:I secretly hope that it's one of those good-but-confusing endings that leaves most people riled up because they were too small-minded to understand what the gently caress just happened. My my, someone has a high opinion of themself. You might be counting yourself among the small minded people by the end.
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ViggyNash posted:Another round of AMV/parody posting, yay! My favorite parts are the ones that are exactly like the original music video for that song.
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SHISHKABOB posted:The scene where Shinji spends more than a minute holding Kaworu with Unit-01 before killing him. I just watched that one again two nights ago, and I was literally squirming the whole time.
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Zombie Samurai posted:I just watched that one again two nights ago, and I was literally squirming the whole time. Of course, with a bit of thinking/AMVs... (obviously, spoilers are involved with the video, and the payoff is worth it if you watch/listen all the way through the first time). Regalingualius fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Aug 15, 2013 |
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Regalingualius posted:Of course, with a bit of thinking/AMVs... (obviously, spoilers are involved with the video, and the payoff is worth it if you watch/listen all the way through the first time). Somehow forcing myself to keep going made me laugh even harder. I can't explain it.
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Regalingualius posted:Of course, with a bit of thinking/AMVs... (obviously, spoilers are involved with the video, and the payoff is worth it if you watch/listen all the way through the first time). God drat it.
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I just watched You Can (Not) Redo and I want to go lie out in the middle of the street. I have too many things I want to say but I can't even articulate them. If anyone here has seen Metropolis (the animated movie), do you guys have the same feeling I do about the radio/shinji's tape player. All I could think was REI'S SOUL IS TRAPPED IN THE TAPE DECK. That probably won't happen but both movies made me cry and I was drawing parallels. Is anyone ever going to get a leg up on Gendo  It seems he knows about everything.
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Gendo is actually the Eva universe's Xanatos.
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I googled Xanatos and I don't know if you are referring to Star Wars or Gargoyles.
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