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Mister Roboto posted:He showed signs of being able to "break character" far earlier in Jingo. Vimes was shocked to see his reserved butler sign up to KILL THEM KLATCHIAN ARSEHOLES drat YOU! Yes but it was written much better, It was more subtle and even then his speech patterns were not as clumsy. Plus in Jingo it came off more as shouty angry middle aged drill sergeant rather than common as muck street thug which he once was a long time ago. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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I'm not personally that bothered by it, though I missed the old Willikins being absolutely classy as he roasts dwarfs out of their mining tunnel with their own flamethrower. A missing good rather than a bad.
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Sep 6, 2013 06:50
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SeanBeansShako posted:Yes but it was written much better, It was more subtle and even then his speech patterns were not as clumsy. Plus in Jingo it came off more as shouty angry middle aged drill sergeant rather than common as muck street thug which he once was a long time ago. I've said this before and I'll say it again, sadly. It's clear that Pratchett's editors aren't doing their jobs and shaving down the little rough bits that stick out. And it's a terrible tragedy, because you know why they can't be as critical anymore.
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Sep 6, 2013 10:52
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To be fair, nobody wants to upset Terry Pratchett right now  .With a bit of editing Snuff would be a lot better than it currently is. I can cope, my brain just reworks the really off putting bits.
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SeanBeansShako posted:To be fair, nobody wants to upset Terry Pratchett right now That was the point I was making. His editors and friends aren't going to be as hard on someone they've worked with for so long and are seeing him suffering. Let the man enjoy his time while he can.
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SeanBeansShako posted:To be fair, nobody wants to upset Terry Pratchett right now Snuff is a lot better the second reading, for me at least. And is that jolly ol' Sergeant Jackrum in your avatar?
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Shelvocke posted:Snuff is a lot better the second reading, for me at least. And is that jolly ol' Sergeant Jackrum in your avatar? Yet it is. Slightly terrifying rendered in 3D.
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Sep 9, 2013 23:59
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"Sir"Harry King? Was he knighted in Snuff (which I haven't read yet), or did I just miss that somewhere?
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Sep 12, 2013 23:15
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It's mentioned that he was knighted in Snuff, but to old friends in the privacy of his office he can be called Harry
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Sep 12, 2013 23:21
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What I want to know is what (if anything) he has to do with the railroad. Maybe they engineered the locomotives to run on methane. 
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Sep 12, 2013 23:44
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JerryLee posted:What I want to know is what (if anything) he has to do with the railroad. Maybe they engineered the locomotives to run on methane. Or the fact that he supported Moist in either going Postal or Making Money (Can't remember which one.)
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bunnyofdoom posted:Or the fact that he supported Moist in either going Postal or Making Money (Can't remember which one.) He supports Adora Belle and William de Worde in The Truth when he 'accidentally' leaves a bundle of fresh paper that was heading to the Inquirer(?) unlocked in his yard.
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Sep 13, 2013 09:49
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He supports the Bank during Making Money as well, helps give it a major confidence boost.
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Sep 13, 2013 09:53
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Having Fred Colon on board is going to make for some good laughs. I'm looking forward to it.
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SeanBeansShako posted:To be fair, nobody wants to upset Terry Pratchett right now And to be fair, I would take Terry's worst books over the best of most fantasy authors' output nowadays. I enjoyed Snuff and Unseen Academicals a lot, even if they're not as amazing as some of his earlier stuff.
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Oh I finished it and aside from a few things (Young Sam being obsessed with poo got old extremely fast) it wasn't as bad as all the goon drama laid it out to be. The 2nd time reading through should be a lot easier.
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I quite liked Snuff, even the first time through. Lady Sybil was entertaining and I like the Watch books in general. I need to read Dodger.
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Dodger would actually have been a good Ankh-Morpork book.
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The Berzerker posted:Having Fred Colon on board is going to make for some good laughs. I'm looking forward to it. Fred was kind of a oval office in Snuff. I always thought of him as being basically a good person, if a little bent.
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Shelvocke posted:Fred was kind of a oval office in Snuff. I always thought of him as being basically a good person, if a little bent. Fred has always been a bit of a casual racist. This goes all the way back to Jingo where he's unknowingly ignorant about calling people ragheads.
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Mister Roboto posted:Fred has always been a bit of a casual racist. This goes all the way back to Jingo where he's unknowingly ignorant about calling people ragheads. It seemed the point of that in Jingo was that Fred was consciously trying to be racist, you know, get into the spirit of the times, and failing because it was against his nature.
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Arbite posted:It seemed the point of that in Jingo was that Fred was consciously trying to be racist, you know, get into the spirit of the times, and failing because it was against his nature. No, because it was established earlier in Men At Arms that Fred, while not a bad man by any stretch, is still very ignorant and racist. Not the racism of malice or cruelty, but the casual racism of not really understanding differences or being educated to recognize how something can be offensive. Example: 'Ha!' said Colon. 'As for you, Lance-Constable Cuddy—' 'Just can't get the hang of aiming, sergeant.' 'I thought dwarfs were famous for their skills in battle!' 'Yeah, but . . . not these skills,' said Cuddy. 'Ambush,' murmured Detritus. Since he was a troll, the murmur bounced off distant buildings. Cuddy's beard bristled. 'You devious troll, I get my—' 'Well now,' said Sergeant Colon quickly, 'I think we'll stop training. You'll have to . . . sort of pick it up as you go along, all right?' He sighed. He was not a cruel man, but he'd been either a soldier or a guard all his life, and he was feeling put-upon. Otherwise he wouldn't have said what he said next. 'I don't know, I really don't. Fighting among yourselves, smashing your own weapons . . . I mean, who do we think we're fooling? Now, it's nearly noon, you take a few hours off, we'll see you again tonight. If you think it's worth turning up.' There was a spang! noise. Cuddy's crossbow had gone off in his hand. The bolt whiffled past Corporal Nobbs' ear and landed in the river, where it stuck. 'Sorry,' said Cuddy. 'Tsk, tsk,' said Sergeant Colon. That was the worst part. It would have been better all round if he'd called the dwarf some names. It would have been better if he'd made it seem that Cuddy was worth an insult. He turned around and walked off towards Pseudo-polis Yard. They heard his muttered comment.
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It's part of his character arc in Jingo that after actually experiencing Klatch he stops being so bigoted. Even so, it's not out of the pale that he wouldn't particularly care for other non-human races, and it wouldn't be like he's the only character in Snuff to be acting weird. See also: Vimes, Willikins, probably a few others.
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Sep 16, 2013 09:50
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Fred Colon in the earlier books was the kind of casually-racist born-from-ignorance racist that's quite endemic in Britain. In Snuff he was practically an EDL member.
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Pretty much. It is really off. Also, poor poor Cuddy .
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Part of the problem is that a huge thread in Snuff is the fact that goblins are treated as vermin by absolutely everyone, even people who are normally pretty cool.
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Yeah, Terry missed a great chance to link the goblins to a previously-established "lesser" race: gnolls. They were the garbage-picking, homeless shambling messes that everyone looked down on, like Angua.
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dotster posted:I quite liked Snuff, even the first time through. Lady Sybil was entertaining and I like the Watch books in general. I need to read Dodger. Yeah, I liked it a lot too, even after binging through the rest of the watch books.
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Down With People posted:It's part of his character arc in Jingo that after actually experiencing Klatch he stops being so bigoted. Even so, it's not out of the pale that he wouldn't particularly care for other non-human races, and it wouldn't be like he's the only character in Snuff to be acting weird. See also: Vimes, Willikins, probably a few others. Also, in The Fifth Elephant (which comes a few years after Jingo), when Colon has his breakdown from the pressure, he slips back into his old racist ways.
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Also part of the point of Colon is that he's too old and set in his ways to really change on a fundamental level. He'll learn one specific lesson and not really think to apply it in similar situations later down the line.
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A handful of Discworld books are $1.99 on the Kindle store today.
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Skippy McPants posted:Also part of the point of Colon is that he's too old and set in his ways to really change on a fundamental level. He'll learn one specific lesson and not really think to apply it in similar situations later down the line. I think that is the key point - Colon is way out of his depth is a busy, multi-cultural metropolis. His attitudes are born more from ignorance and fear of change than any malicious intent.
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I hope you Americans know how loving lucky you are, because those five books are $10 for you but about $43 for me in Australia. (Although that's still a bargain compared to the ~$100 you'd spend to get the five as paperbacks in bookstores here  )
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Hedrigall posted:I hope you Americans know how loving lucky you are, because those five books are $10 for you but about $43 for me in Australia. (Although that's still a bargain compared to the ~$100 you'd spend to get the five as paperbacks in bookstores here We still have bookstores down here?
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Yeah but don't you guys get the original Paul Kidby covers? We just get those gently caress ugly...things. Way to spoil a major plot point of Men at Arms on the cover you fucks!
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Hedrigall posted:I hope you Americans know how loving lucky you are, because those five books are $10 for you but about $43 for me in Australia. (Although that's still a bargain compared to the ~$100 you'd spend to get the five as paperbacks in bookstores here If you have a kindle I'm pretty sure you can buy them by changing the country settings in your Amazon account.
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Crashbee posted:If you have a kindle I'm pretty sure you can buy them by changing the country settings in your Amazon account. You sure can. I got the new Rivers of London book the day it was out and I'm in Alabama.
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