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Congo Territory? I guess that's a replacement for Liberia?
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DerLeo posted:What in hell happened to Europe I haven't read the timeline in a while, but from what I remember the point of divergence is Jackson being assassinated by Richard Lawrence. If I remember correctly, Austria is invaded simultaneously by Prussia and Italy over minor land holdings. France jumps in to assert its hegemony and the Hapsburg rule completely collapses. The powers of Europe are left holding a bag of poo poo and try to settle various land disputes in a Conference of Europe. (It fails.) Better map of North America in the timeline: The World in a New Century, Section II: Ibero North America posted:California: EDIT: Peanut President posted:Congo Territory? I guess that's a replacement for Liberia? Essentially. I think they buy it off the Belgians.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 13:50 |
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Verus posted:Even in crazy alternate timelines Eugene Debs can't win any electoral votes I can't remember the details of the election but in Reds! Washington D.C. is renamed Washington-Debs D.C. so at least he gets some recognition there!
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 13:50 |
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That looks like the result of someone's Victoria II game.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 15:46 |
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An alternate 1930's United States, from a very reliable and well researched source: It's Crimson Skies for X-Box.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 16:43 |
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Oh God, those borders.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 16:43 |
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Should have called it Hollywoodland
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 16:50 |
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As far as I know, the game doesn't actually ever show the whole map, I'm pretty sure that's fan made from taking the bits and pieces the game does show. I can only assume whoever made it lives in Louisiana, because that's the only reason I can surmise that it's borders are the only on in the lower 48 that are exactly the same.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 17:00 |
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QuoProQuid posted:I haven't read the timeline in a while, but from what I remember the point of divergence is Jackson being assassinated by Richard Lawrence. If I remember correctly, Austria is invaded simultaneously by Prussia and Italy over minor land holdings. France jumps in to assert its hegemony and the Hapsburg rule completely collapses. The powers of Europe are left holding a bag of poo poo and try to settle various land disputes in a Conference of Europe. (It fails.) Why the hell is Manitoba called Deseret?
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 19:19 |
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Weird BIAS posted:Why the hell is Manitoba called Deseret? Mormon Canadians Which is the best thing about that map
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 19:19 |
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Pakled posted:That looks like the result of someone's Victoria II game. It would be pretty funny if somebody just posted a Paradox game AAR without screenshots at AH.com and waited to see how long before anybody caught on.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 19:26 |
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Rincewind posted:It would be pretty funny if somebody just posted a Paradox game AAR without screenshots at AH.com and waited to see how long before anybody caught on.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 19:33 |
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Weird BIAS posted:Why the hell is Manitoba called Deseret? Also there is already a New Caledonia.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 19:39 |
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Did they seriously just flip utah upside down for mormon canada?
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 19:44 |
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DerLeo posted:What in hell happened to Europe This is an excellent question. I have no idea what crazy poo poo went down to make Prussia & France or Russia & England play nice.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 19:55 |
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DrBouvenstein posted:As far as I know, the game doesn't actually ever show the whole map, I'm pretty sure that's fan made from taking the bits and pieces the game does show. Not just Xbox, there was a PC game before that and the whole franchise is spawned from a board game by FASA, the guys who created other board and tabletop games like Battletech/Mechwarrior and Shadowrun. Also,
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 20:04 |
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QuoProQuid posted:If I remember correctly, Austria is invaded simultaneously by Prussia and Italy over minor land holdings. That pretty much happened in 1866. While Italy grabbed Veneto, Bismarck told the Prussian military to knock off any stupid ideas of grabbing Bohemia and settled for what he came for: political dominance in Germany.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 20:41 |
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DrBouvenstein posted:An alternate 1930's United States, from a very reliable and well researched source: I've wanted to see how other people envision Crimson Skies' Europe. There's Nazis in Germany, but fluff in the boardgame and PC game both also make mention of the Kaiser's government. *Older Crimson Skies fans apparently treat the Xbox game almost the same as Star Trek fans treat Enterprise; that game took a lot of liberties with earlier material and violated some early Crimson Skies worldbuilding rules, like "no Tesla-tech". Ofaloaf fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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It's not impossible for Germany to split, weren't there some separatist movements between the wars? Also Russia has Red and White segments in Crimson Skies, doesn't it? That'd be a really interesting WW2.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 20:52 |
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wdarkk posted:It's not impossible for Germany to split, weren't there some separatist movements between the wars? I think the Kaiser and the Nazis were supposed to be part of the same country. The old official Crimson Skies site associated with the PC game had some newspaper articles that followed up on the game's ending, where (I think) the Empire State complained to "the Kaiser's government" in response to Nazi actions in New York.
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 21:17 |
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Could be a figurehead monarch situation, then. Like WWII-era Japan.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 00:36 |
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The Nazis rose to power within the framework of the Weimar Republic, so I suppose they might have done so without throwing out the monarchy if it had lasted after the war or whatever.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 02:59 |
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Sounds more like the DNVP and the like who originally supported the Nazi's rise might've decided to go with a restoration of the monarchy instead- besides, a collapsed US would've done all sorts of awful poo poo to the world economy, so who knows what's happened.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 03:14 |
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Somehow Wilhelm gets put in charge of a constitutional monarchy-type deal in Germany in the late '20s/early '30s, then the Nazis beat and cheat and sleaze their way into power as per actual history and he becomes a figurehead like President von Hindenburg. Out of all of Crimson Skies that's one of the most plausibly explainable things, really. Wait, why are we trying to apply logic to an old (but pretty awesome) Zeppelin-punk airplane game again?
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wdarkk posted:It's not impossible for Germany to split, weren't there some separatist movements between the wars? Before Weimar, a lot of princes, dukes, and sub-kings existed in Germany: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Deutsches_Reich1.svg Bavaria had a pretty popular King and was the most culturally distinct German state, so it splitting off even after World War 2 (when they negotiated a separate agreement regarding the future of West Germany) is entirely a possibility. If Bavaria were to break off, some of the others might as well, like maybe Saxony, but I don't know enough about the rest to tell you if they had any feasible chance at separation.
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PittTheElder posted:This is an excellent question. I have no idea what crazy poo poo went down to make Prussia & France or Russia & England play nice. I read through it. Apparently Louis-Napoleon is a completely different person somehow, because not only does he not declare himself Emperor, but he manages not to lead France to humiliating military defeats and ruin absolutely everything he ever touches anywhere. He beats Britain in a Napoleonic War II and allies with an enlightened German Constitutional Monarchy under Kaiser Frederick III (who is presumably more favorable to France because unlike his father Wilhelm and his son Wilhelm he was not a psychopath in our time line either). Seriously, Louis-Napoleon being competent at anything is the most unrealistic and ridiculous counterfactual, and I say this even knowing it contains US President Sam Houston
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JosefStalinator posted:Before Weimar, a lot of princes, dukes, and sub-kings existed in Germany: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/HRR_1789_EN.png
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 12:06 |
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Anyone who has played EU4 knows that the HRE is basically thunderdome because of the 50 or so princes in it.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 12:49 |
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Lawman 0 posted:Anyone who has played EU4 knows that the HRE is basically thunderdome because of the 50 or so princes in it. And messing with the HRE is very impolite indeed (casus belli!)
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VitalSigns posted:I read through it. Apparently Louis-Napoleon is a completely different person somehow, because not only does he not declare himself Emperor, but he manages not to lead France to humiliating military defeats and ruin absolutely everything he ever touches anywhere. He beats Britain in a Napoleonic War II and allies with an enlightened German Constitutional Monarchy under Kaiser Frederick III (who is presumably more favorable to France because unlike his father Wilhelm and his son Wilhelm he was not a psychopath in our time line either). Yeah, that's pretty damned implausible. Although I'm honestly surprised there isn't more Alt-Hist based on Friedrich III not immediately dying of throat cancer, or being on the throne a little earlier. Maybe there is and it just doesn't come up because the only Alt-Hist I see is the ridiculous stuff we make fun of here. And I'd disagree with calling Wilhelm II a psychopath. He was really much more of a deluded man-child. Lawman 0 posted:Anyone who has played EU4 knows that the HRE is basically thunderdome because of the 50 or so princes in it. Not anymore. 1.2 seems to have largely put a stop to that, because accumulating any AE at all will cause everyone else to coalition up against you. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 2, 2013 |
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JosefStalinator posted:Bavaria had a pretty popular King and was the most culturally distinct German state, so it splitting off even after World War 2 (when they negotiated a separate agreement regarding the future of West Germany) is entirely a possibility. If Bavaria were to break off, some of the others might as well, like maybe Saxony, but I don't know enough about the rest to tell you if they had any feasible chance at separation. This actually happened, briefly. I give you the Bavarian Soviet Republic! In the aftermath of WWI, a Communist revolution deposed the Bavarian monarchy and declared independence. Even though this was obviously to the benefit of England and France, the ruling moneyed elite preferred to send millions of the poor to die in the event of another war with a united Germany than risk their wealth and position in case a successful socialist example gave their lower classes ideas. Of course. So the Entente aided their former enemy in a right-wing paramilitary conquest. PittTheElder posted:Although I'm honestly surprised there isn't more Alt-Hist based on Friedrich III not immediately dying of throat cancer, or being on the throne a little earlier. Me too it's such an interesting what-if. Although given Freddy's personal views, Prussia's historical British alliance, and his happy marriage to Queen Victoria's friggin oldest daughter and namesake I find it hard to believe he'd ally with a Bonaparte against his mother-in-law.
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah, that's pretty damned implausible. Although I'm honestly surprised there isn't more Alt-Hist based on Friedrich III not immediately dying of throat cancer, or being on the throne a little earlier. Maybe there is and it just doesn't come up because the only Alt-Hist I see is the ridiculous stuff we make fun of here.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 23:09 |
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Someone over at the New York Times cracked out the marker pens and had a go at drawing some new borders for the Middle East. HRE fans rejoice, looks like Free Cities are going to make a comeback! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/opinion/sunday/imagining-a-remapped-middle-east.html?pagewanted=1 Also looks like Damascus gets destroyed in the Syrian War or something...
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 23:49 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:Someone over at the New York Times cracked out the marker pens and had a go at drawing some new borders for the Middle East. HRE fans rejoice, looks like Free Cities are going to make a comeback! really glad Israel and Palestine have eradicated current and future strife with their current borders
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 00:15 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:Someone over at the New York Times cracked out the marker pens and had a go at drawing some new borders for the Middle East. HRE fans rejoice, looks like Free Cities are going to make a comeback! I think the use of -stan for countries is becoming as annoying as -gate for political scandals.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 00:33 |
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North Arabia South Arabia Western Arabia Eastern Arabia I mean at least make it fit a theme
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 00:49 |
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Kurdistan makes sense and is also a real-life term. Sunnistan is questionable and Alawitestan just sounds stupid. Why would these Arab nations have an Indo-Iranian suffix in their names?
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 00:55 |
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Nevermind. I am stupid.
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# ? Oct 3, 2013 01:10 |
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Also it kinda goes without saying that making "$_RELIGION land" a nation is just an awful idea for a country larger than one city. I'm sure there will be no problems for nonSunnis living in Sunnistan.
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I'm sure Sunnistan will be a very economically stable state, what with having the Syrian Desert and no Ports. And Saudi Arabia spilting up would be an even worse mess.
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