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One note about seeing people bitch about the ACA and marketplaces, and how their costs haven't significantly gone down, is that if you play with the exchange variables enough from the minimal info they spout about what its costing them, you can essentially figure out what range of income they are in for their household. I don't get envy, but it annoys me that people making 6 figures bitch that they have to pay $500 a month for a family of four. They have no idea that this poo poo isn't for them and want to know why.
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More from the same guy: Sal Vidge is Paul Itician from before.
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:One note about seeing people bitch about the ACA and marketplaces, and how their costs haven't significantly gone down, is that if you play with the exchange variables enough from the minimal info they spout about what its costing them, you can essentially figure out what range of income they are in for their household. I don't get envy, but it annoys me that people making 6 figures bitch that they have to pay $500 a month for a family of four. They have no idea that this poo poo isn't for them and want to know why. As though poor and middle class people don't have to sit back and watch congress pass law after law solely for the benefit of the wealthy. Suddenly when the roles are reversed it's CLASS WARFARE
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Oct 3, 2013 22:12
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miscellaneous14 posted:A close friend made a post about gun control, and somehow this spiraled into lovely welfare queen anecdotes.
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Oct 3, 2013 23:04
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Ainsley McTree posted:Well this is stupid: I argued with someone today who said "Democrats just shut down the parks to make the shutdown more painful, they didn't have to!" I told them that, yes, they did, parks are not essential to running the country and there's no funding for them. They then went on to say that the Federal Government is useless anyway and they don't get anything from them. They saw no irony in any of that.
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Oct 3, 2013 23:29
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myron cope posted:More from the same guy: Obama should be impeached for Benghazi. I don't know what happened but he should be impeached for it! 
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Oct 4, 2013 00:01
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Coffee And Pie posted:I think my favorite part was the "boasted the youngest among them" line, you can just see the author seething about young people. Also, why do so many STDH stories end with people applauding? Has that ever happened? STDH is just Self Insert Mary Sue fanfic for people with no creativity, so of course it ends with all other people praising the genius of this dumbass whose entire goddamn premise hinges on the Democrats somehow slipping white slavery into the bill while it was in committee with no-one noticing.
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Oct 4, 2013 00:24
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seiferguy posted:Obama should be impeached for Benghazi. I don't know what happened but he should be impeached for it! I can't believe he strangled the the ambassador and three other americans in their sleep and got away with it. NOT MY PRESIDENT
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:One note about seeing people bitch about the ACA and marketplaces, and how their costs haven't significantly gone down, is that if you play with the exchange variables enough from the minimal info they spout about what its costing them, you can essentially figure out what range of income they are in for their household. I don't get envy, but it annoys me that people making 6 figures bitch that they have to pay $500 a month for a family of four. They have no idea that this poo poo isn't for them and want to know why. I just got laid off, so my wife was looking at what rates would be through the exchanges, when she put in our income it came out as some absurd percentage of the poverty level. $500 a month for health insurance seems pretty reasonable.
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200156831823611 This just popped up on my feed, with the words "Does this explain Obamacare to you?" From someone working in a government-funded clinic, no less.
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Oct 4, 2013 03:00
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Dirty Job posted:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200156831823611 Wow, the OP's middle name is Benghazi! What a weird coincidence!
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Oct 4, 2013 03:18
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I tried to point out what was happening with the shutdown on Facebook tonight as I was tired of all the OBUMMER'S SHUTDOWN!! :rage: posts in my feed. I'm not sure I did a very good job. Are there any major points I missed, or I misled on? The fella arguing me is a fancy pants lawyer and I can't tell if I got lawyered or not.    One thing I did screw up was intermixing CR with budget. 
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Oct 4, 2013 04:06
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From an argument about where blame for the shutdown lies: I'm not sure if this is just an autocorrect mistake or some new Tea Party code word I don't get  hoping for the latter, obviously
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Oct 4, 2013 04:22
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Nice Davis posted:From an argument about where blame for the shutdown lies: Whilst perhaps not consistent with the "Israel, gently caress Yeah!" positions of your average right-wing American these days, it's possible that matzo is implying he's a Jew.
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Oct 4, 2013 04:25
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Lord Girlyman posted:Whilst perhaps not consistent with the "Israel, gently caress Yeah!" positions of your average right-wing American these days, it's possible that matzo is implying he's a Jew. Zionism is compatible with or even integral to some forms of antisemitism. "Go back to Africa! being basically the same thi for anti-black racists.
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Oct 4, 2013 04:32
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Maybe the Democrats should demand single payer healthcare, 100% legal abortion, gay marriage, a 90% tax rate on all income over 10million etc. Then the two sides can find a middle ground, keep Obamacare in exchange for not doing single payer.
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Oct 4, 2013 04:33
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Oh, look! It looks like several of my friends are now opposing back pay for furloughed federal employees because it is apparently morally wrong to pay people for not working no matter what the circumstances are. If they wanted to get paid, maybe they should have gone to work anyway despite being told not to...or something.  Facebook friend in question posted:#DearCongress NO on H.R. 3223 Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act. No work, no pay! #shutdown
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Oct 4, 2013 05:45
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Oh, look! It looks like several of my friends are now opposing back pay for furloughed federal employees because it is apparently morally wrong to pay people for not working no matter what the circumstances are. If they wanted to get paid, maybe they should have gone to work anyway despite being told not to...or something. I had this. Occasionally you can get them to put themselves in someone else's shoes. When a friend posted this, we had a good discussion:  Whew. It's good to know that even my conservative friends are decent people who can feel empathy with a bit of prodding. Let's see what else is on my feed...  
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Oct 4, 2013 05:57
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myron cope posted:More from the same guy: You need to ask this individual why nobody every implied that there were scandals over embassy and consulate attacks while under Bush, when there were 13 similar attacks.
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Oct 4, 2013 06:15
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VitalSigns posted:I had this. Occasionally you can get them to put themselves in someone else's shoes. When a friend posted this, we had a good discussion: On the other hand, most others will have a bucket crab mentality in which they claim that because their lovely job wouldn't give them back pay in a situation like this, government employees (who are all a bunch of untalented slobs who don't actually do anything and can't hack it in the private sector) should have to eat poo poo sandwiches as well.
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Oct 4, 2013 06:24
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I like how "compromise" has turned into some analogue of Zeno's Paradox where you meet in the middle, then move another halfway toward the Republicans, then another halfway, and so on ad infinitum.
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Oct 4, 2013 06:25
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Both sides are at fault! Why won't the Democrats just compromise!?
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Oct 4, 2013 06:52
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The Senate is majority-controlled by people who have financial and ideological stakes in the matter of the bill being passed. Having them refuse to pass it is not "reasonable", and in this entire debacle, the Republican representatives have not presented a single good reason for opposing this bill other than "because it wouldn't work".
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Oct 4, 2013 08:07
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Can someone clarify something on the ACA for me? People are talking about how insurance companies have sent them letters saying thier premiums are rising by ridiculous amounts. Obviously prior to the first, this was essentially a scare tactic. With the employer mandate pushed back a year, I tend to believe this is still a scare tactic, since employer rates haven't been established yet. Is there better info I can point to that these letters are horseshit? I've told people to shop for individual plans to see that they can probably get even better care cheaper than they currently have, but I'd like more solid info on the employer side of it.
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:Can someone clarify something on the ACA for me? People are talking about how insurance companies have sent them letters saying thier premiums are rising by ridiculous amounts. Obviously prior to the first, this was essentially a scare tactic. With the employer mandate pushed back a year, I tend to believe this is still a scare tactic, since employer rates haven't been established yet. Is there better info I can point to that these letters are horseshit? I've told people to shop for individual plans to see that they can probably get even better care cheaper than they currently have, but I'd like more solid info on the employer side of it. This  thread is being tossed around: http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/vb8vs/eli5_what_exactly_is_obamacare_and_what_did_it/c530lfx
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Glimm posted:I tried to point out what was happening with the shutdown on Facebook tonight as I was tired of all the OBUMMER'S SHUTDOWN!! :rage: posts in my feed. I'm not sure I did a very good job. Are there any major points I missed, or I misled on? I'd say that they have zero intention of actually having a discussion and are just trying to bait you into making mistakes that they can criticize. But my brain basically stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt when they asked 'what's the tea party?'  And then immediately qualifies your response by saying that the media uses the term to make republicans seem extreme.Also asking what the dems compromised on is, bluntly put, a bullshit question, the actual compromising happened when bills were being passed. The idea that a party should be able to fish for political handouts in order not to crash the government/economy over legislature they've already agreed to should be inconceivable. But clearly it is a good idea, lest you're party be disrespected. It seems you found your footing later on, but letting him get those cheap shots in might have disrupted your otherwise coherent point. (By my reading he didn't have any intention of arguing in good faith, you did and for that he punished you. Its pretty lovely. But maybe someone else has a better reading of it?)
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Glimm posted:I tried to point out what was happening with the shutdown on Facebook tonight as I was tired of all the OBUMMER'S SHUTDOWN!! :rage: posts in my feed. I'm not sure I did a very good job. Are there any major points I missed, or I misled on? "The compromises were made when the bill was passed and signed in to law."
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miscellaneous14 posted:The Senate is majority-controlled by people who have financial and ideological stakes in the matter of the bill being passed. Having them refuse to pass it is not "reasonable", and in this entire debacle, the Republican representatives have not presented a single good reason for opposing this bill other than "because it wouldn't work". The ACA was debated and passed by the House and the Senate. It was signed into law by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. Their are ways of repealing a law that don't involve hold a gun to the head of the country. The Democrats are not culpable in the shut down.
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Glimm posted:I tried to point out what was happening with the shutdown on Facebook tonight as I was tired of all the OBUMMER'S SHUTDOWN!! :rage: posts in my feed. I'm not sure I did a very good job. Are there any major points I missed, or I misled on? quote:“We’re not going to be disrespected... We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.” - Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind. quote:"I think there's a sense that for us to do a clean CR now -- then what the hell was this about?" one Republican House member told me. "So I don't think it's going to end anytime soon." --- UnmaskedGremlin posted:Can someone clarify something on the ACA for me? People are talking about how insurance companies have sent them letters saying thier premiums are rising by ridiculous amounts. Obviously prior to the first, this was essentially a scare tactic. With the employer mandate pushed back a year, I tend to believe this is still a scare tactic, since employer rates haven't been established yet. Is there better info I can point to that these letters are horseshit? I've told people to shop for individual plans to see that they can probably get even better care cheaper than they currently have, but I'd like more solid info on the employer side of it. Tibeerius fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Oct 4, 2013 |
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VitalSigns posted:Whew. It's good to know that even my conservative friends are decent people who can feel empathy with a bit of Does this logic work with other laws? Murder is illegal... JUST LIKE HOW ALCOHOL USED TO BE
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"You tell me where the Dumbocrats have EVER compromised also don't you hate the compromise they made in delaying the law for big business????" And the time for compromise was in February, you know, when they had the meetings to compromise and hammer out the details on the budget, the budget that the Republicans agreed to until they thought they had proper leverage. And the time for compromise on Obamacare was 4 god drat years ago, you know, when Obama dropped the Public Option and made compromises with the GOP and shored up what is in the bill before changing their mind and not voting for it anyway. Finally you know what? It has been four god drat years, if you STILL don't know what's in Obamacare, if you STILL can't point to any single thing in the bill because YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO READ IT it is squarely on your lazy/illiterate shoulders. And then I get defriended.
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This guy has dry powder somewhere. Possibly Gold Bond;quote:William Bentonposted toThree Percenters (III%ers) for Constitutional Troops and Law Enforcement
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ChlamydiaJones posted:This guy has dry powder somewhere. Possibly Gold Bond; Hey, I'm all for a bunch of pissed off militia types threatening deadly force against the Republican minority who are ignoring constitutional rules. EDIT: I have just been informed that these people are in fact referring to Democrats as the offending party.
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ChlamydiaJones posted:This guy has dry powder somewhere. Possibly Gold Bond; And now a Secret Service/FBI case file
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http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/10/04/who-shut-down-the-government-n1716292/page/1quote:None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out -- and articulation has never been their strong suit -- the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAha oh man that was a good one. Guy that posted it REALLY hates obamacare. The thing about the article is it flat out says it depends on who you ask as to who is to blame for the shutdown, and then the guy goes and outs himself as a republican by blaming the democrats. What a poo poo article.
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ClownSyndrome posted:Does this logic work with other laws?
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Vriess posted:This Tibeerius posted:We also have a very good thread here at SA: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3540057 Thanks. I felt like thats probably been answered in the big thread, but itd be hard to find.
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Thanks for the advice  If he gets back to arguing I'll be sure to bring up the points aboveHere's a post I saw today from one of my old Army buddies, by Romney's Health Care Advisor: "Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'" http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/03/enrollment-in-obamacares-federal-exchange-so-far-is-in-the-single-digits/ This seems... unlikely to me. quote:KUSI-TV in San Diego is reporting that not one policy has yet been sold on the California exchange. Following the link over 7000 people have signed up, they just haven't finished enrolling yet. I can't believe the stuff people post sometimes.
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Strudel Man posted:In the sense that murder isn't wrong simply because it's illegal, sure. "What the law is" has no moral weight. Sure. Extreme times call for extreme measures. I haven't seen a single legitimate argument by Republicans against ACA that justifies keeping the country hostage to gut it, though. It's all based on lies and misinformation, in turn based on earlier lies. It's a house of lies built on lies for lies by lies.
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So I've already eviscerated this guy after this post, but this popped up in the middle of a rational discussion we were having. He started spouting some Tea Party rhetoric, but was really open to discussion. Then some troll comes on about Obama being muslim, and I made the mistake of answering "what would be wrong if he was?"quote:Read the Koran and decide for yourself if you wish....it has enough hatred implanted against Jews, Christians and infidels in general to validate what the liberal media calls radicals or jihadists...in truth, the Koran calls for these actions and responses to those that do not submit to Islam...infidels must be converted,or taxed,or killed. Luckily,99.9999% do not follow the teachings of their own holy book. Of world violence, check the percentage due to followers of Islam. Instead of measuring their acceptability due to rational motives and decency...read their book and decide for yourself...either that or just look at the violent history of the spread of Islam. I tried to be brief...but Islam is a religion of conquest using the methods I noted, but dying for the cause makes one a martyr with a great reward of virgins awaiting in heaven....Jews are the most hated because they did not recognize Mohammed as a prophet.....the language against Jews is horrifyinf at best. Christians are next in line for the same sin and for proclaiming Jesus as the son of God. All the remainder are infidels...how sweet is that??? It takes about an hour or two to read the entire book or read summaries of the Saras...it is plainly presented. And other writers have done credible jobs of describing Islam, like Harris...however, the best are written by women who have left Islam...where Sharia Law delegates them to a low status of mere objects....a woman raped in Islam requires three witnesses,all men, to validate the accusation in court....much more...back to vacation.Oh...just too get you excited, Mohammed s favorite wife was a young girl, under 14, could be 12,don't exactly remember......that's called rape in America.
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