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HeroOfTheRevolution posted:I actually find a huge disconnect in BotF between the power levels seen and the mass destruction witnessed and the idea that normal people and normal villages exist at all. House of Chains, the start of Karsa's story arc is a good description of simple villages.
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I wish other characters got Karsa's treatment, especially the Bridgeburners.
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amuayse posted:I wish other characters got Karsa's treatment, especially the Bridgeburners. It would be a ten book series all its own.
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Nov 28, 2013 19:25
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Dammit Erickson, I know that the Bridgburners are awesome. I want to know HOW they became awesome.
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amuayse posted:Dammit Erickson, I know that the Bridgburners are awesome. I want to know HOW they became awesome. I kinda prefer that to remain a mystery, since I would believe a story arc like that would constitute a lot of retconning the main story line. As well, not all Bridgeburners were awesome, we regularly have the surviving Bridgeburners reminiscing about how many murderers and other nasty people that were a part of the Bridgeburners.
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amuayse posted:Dammit Erickson, I know that the Bridgburners are awesome. I want to know HOW they became awesome. I have the same thoughts on Kellanveds rise from barman to Emperor.
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I was under the impression that the Malazan world grew out of setting Erikson and Esselmont put together to play GURPS in? My assumption has always been that most of the groupings of individuals of incredible awesomeness doing amazing things that happened 30-100 years ago were at some point arcs in their campaigns. I mean the story of how Kellenvad built his grand plan to take over the Empire from a bar in Malaz city just screams RPG campaign to me, and the "Old Guard" groupings are full of classic tabletop archetypes.. I'm assuming the exact story lies somewhere in a pile of GM notes.
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One_Wing posted:I was under the impression that the Malazan world grew out of setting Erikson and Esselmont put together to play GURPS in? My assumption has always been that most of the groupings of individuals of incredible awesomeness doing amazing things that happened 30-100 years ago were at some point arcs in their campaigns. I mean the story of how Kellenvad built his grand plan to take over the Empire from a bar in Malaz city just screams RPG campaign to me, and the "Old Guard" groupings are full of classic tabletop archetypes.. I'm assuming the exact story lies somewhere in a pile of GM notes. there's some interview out there about how all of Midnight Tides was also a campaign and I.C.E. was rhulad sengar
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One_Wing posted:I was under the impression that the Malazan world grew out of setting Erikson and Esselmont put together to play GURPS in? My assumption has always been that most of the groupings of individuals of incredible awesomeness doing amazing things that happened 30-100 years ago were at some point arcs in their campaigns. I mean the story of how Kellenvad built his grand plan to take over the Empire from a bar in Malaz city just screams RPG campaign to me, and the "Old Guard" groupings are full of classic tabletop archetypes.. I'm assuming the exact story lies somewhere in a pile of GM notes. Yes it did, but I had assumed that the story the played out was more or less what we end up reading, and the backstory was basically just that - backstory they had made up for their characters without real thought to the specifics and ins-and-outs. But it could be this, as well - that some of their games WERE the backstory and that most of what we read is an extension of that.
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Cardiac posted:House of Chains, the start of Karsa's story arc is a good description of simple villages. Yeah, and it made no sense in the context of the world.
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HeroOfTheRevolution posted:Yeah, and it made no sense in the context of the world. Isn't it highly isolated from the rest of the world?
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Eh, GURPS is a clusterfuck as a system but it's a great way to tell a story!
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In a stunning convergence G'us Malazan manages to harness all of the elder warrens and halt the Red Tide in its tracks
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amuayse posted:Eh, GURPS is a clusterfuck as a system but it's a great way to tell a story! GURPS is less of a clusterfuck than people tend to think, it's just that people use it incorrectly. GURPS lets you create a psychic brain in a jar, a teleporting swordsman or a cave man (or any number of archetypes). They do not necessarily go into the same game. Erikson and Esslemont did a good job of this, where they created a setting and then created characters that fit in that setting (from dinosaurs with swords for arms to insane priests of shadow). GURPS is a great system when you have a setting and you need to explore that setting, it's just that it lacks an implied setting like DnD or many other RPGs.
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Habibi posted:Yes it did, but I had assumed that the story the played out was more or less what we end up reading, and the backstory was basically just that - backstory they had made up for their characters without real thought to the specifics and ins-and-outs. But it could be this, as well - that some of their games WERE the backstory and that most of what we read is an extension of that. Were I in their position I would have certainly wanted to write an original story in the same world with the events of tabletop sessions as backplot. However, Dalmuti's comment suggests that I'm wrong and some of what we see is just straight from a campaign, and with that in mind there are probably other sections that would fit as one, such as the whole of Book 1 of House of Chains (Karsa, Bairoth and Delum's excellent adventure).
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see the first answer here: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/03/steven-erikson-answers-your-midnight-tides-questions
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In terms of really sad/heartbreaking parts of the series, what book of the malazan series has had the most? Deadhouse Gates would be up there, but Reapers Gale for me just had so many sad moments Toc sacrificing himself to save the awl children and Torrent, Onos Toolan arriving just too late to watch his friend die, EVERYTHING involving Beak and his backstory, Onrack arriving in the Tellann warren and coming back to life I mean Jesus, there was a lot of sad poo poo involved.
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Chucullinn posted:In terms of really sad/heartbreaking parts of the series, what book of the malazan series has had the most? If you say anything other than Beak then you are a heartless bastard
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Chucullinn posted:Toc sacrificing himself to save the awl children and Torrent, Onos Toolan arriving just too late to watch his friend die The best part of this is that he chose to sit there and not do anything out of spite for the Awl.
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I want to read through this thread, but I'm only six and a half books in, and can't stand missing all the juicy spoiler tidbits. See you folks in a few more months I guess.
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Eschatos posted:I want to read through this thread, but I'm only six and a half books in, and can't stand missing all the juicy spoiler tidbits. See you folks in a few more months I guess. That's about how far into the series I was when I found the thread, and I did the same thing. See you in a while! 
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Chucullinn posted:In terms of really sad/heartbreaking parts of the series, what book of the malazan series has had the most? And that's not even all the heartbreaking stuff in that book, there's also Trull getting killed right when you think he's gonna have a reunion with Seren Pedac, Hedge's loneliness and alienation, the Finnest Girl, every other member of the Sengar family coming to a bad end, and there's probably more in that book that I can't remember right now.
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Reapers Gale has more incidents, but the ending of Deadhouse Gates hit me harder than all of those incidents combined.
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Khizan posted:Reapers Gale has more incidents, but the ending of Deadhouse Gates hit me harder than all of those incidents combined. Probably since the ending of Deadhouse is, in a way, such a stupid conclusion to the epic trek through the 7 cities. First book I read, and I was hooked. GotM wouldn't have done that.
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I can't remember if this is ever made very clear, but what's up with the Deragoth that appear in House of Chains? When Paran freed the hounds of shadow from Dragnipur and they went through the gate, did that resurrect of sorts the two Deragoth that Onrack frees later? The whole history seems a bit murky to me...we see a fragment of the past that L'oric happens upon where we see the Deragoth and the Eres cohabiting...the implication seemed to be that the Eres maybe were precursors to the T'Lan Imass or humans? Not sure if they were just a different species that died out or if they evolved. Then Dessimbelackis, who is...I don't know who, a random human with a ton of power apparently and he created the soletaken and d'ivers among the humans and all by "partnering" with the Deragoth so that they're his d'ivers form. But...then why were two of them trapped in stone statues in a lost warren that seemed to be more a fragment of the past? That's why I wondered if the hounds of shadow had a hand in it.
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You mean those magical Cro-Magnons that hang out with the dogs and fights dinos? Considering that time travel exists in Malazan to a certain degree, I wonder why it isn't incorporated into some elaborate scheme.
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Levitate posted:I can't remember if this is ever made very clear, but what's up with the Deragoth that appear in House of Chains?
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Yeah I meant more just that I figure that means he's a "normal" human and not ascendant from another plane of existence or whatever
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amuayse posted:You mean those magical Cro-Magnons that hang out with the dogs and fights dinos? Considering that time travel exists in Malazan to a certain degree, I wonder why it isn't incorporated into some elaborate scheme. Time travel exists?
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Well time doesn't always seem to be linear in Malazan, like a the T'lan Imass shaman being present for Silverfox's birth and Osseric hiding inside a warren that's essenntially a time warp back to Paleolithic times.
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Levitate posted:Yeah I meant more just that I figure that means he's a "normal" human and not ascendant from another plane of existence or whatever Originally, this could describe every single current major ascendant who isn't an Azathanai (including those from other 'planes'). Levitate posted:I can't remember if this is ever made very clear, but what's up with the Deragoth that appear in House of Chains? As far as Dessimbelackis, I don't recall the Deragoth having anything to do with his creation of the Soletaken/D'Ivers ritual, which was apparently intended as a desperation measure to teach his empire how to not be all-nature-consuming assholes. The Deragoth were just whom he used for his D'Ivers form. And yes, I think the Eres are supposed to be the precursors of the Imass. It basically sets up an Eres (Australopithecus) -> Imass (Neanderthal) -> Human chain. The whole Deragoth thing with the Eres isn't very well explained. We know from L'oric and FoD that they co-existed, and knowing the Deragoth aren't just massive dogs but a type of Soletaken, of sorts, casts an interesting dynamic - but someone (maybe L'Oric, maybe Bottle?) gets a vision that suggests to them that the Deragoth actually 'domesticated' the Eres, which hasn't been really delved into since.
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amuayse posted:Well time doesn't always seem to be linear in Malazan quote:like a the T'lan Imass shaman being present for Silverfox's birth quote:Osseric hiding inside a warren that's essenntially a time warp back to Paleolithic times.
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It's in House of Chains when L'Oric went to look for his Dad inside a warren there were a bunch of those Eres and Deragoth hunting together and there were even some KCCM that were still living too.
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Habibi posted:Originally, this could describe every single current major ascendant who isn't an Azathanai (including those from other 'planes'). Eh I sometimes forget there's a difference between ascendants and gods as well quote:Have you read FoD yet? no, but thanks. Kinda clears some stuff up quote:but someone (maybe L'Oric, maybe Bottle?) gets a vision that suggests to them that the Deragoth actually 'domesticated' the Eres, which hasn't been really delved into since. In House of Chains, L'Oric somehow opens a portal to a fragment of a warren or something that's basically a memory of how Raraku was ages and ages ago when the Deragoth were the ones in charge in the area, more or less. He sees the Eres running with the Deragoth and acting as kind of subservient partners or something, and I think ponders whether the Deragoth helped the evolution of the Eres. As a side note, it's also apparently why the K'Chain Che'malle never got a foothold on that continent...the Deragoth kept killing them off e: L'Oric didn't go back in time, it was just a weird splinter warren, might have one of the fragmented parts of the Shadow warren who's name I can't remember exactly, and it was just basically kind of a memory, not real time travel. Also, Tellan seems to do some weird poo poo with time as well but maybe that's more of the ritual of Tellan the I'Mass did, but it still doesn't seem to exist as a real time travel machine or anything since those things aren't part of the linear time-line, more like alternate dimensions of sorts. At least that's how I think of it. Levitate fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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amuayse posted:It's in House of Chains when L'Oric went to look for his Dad inside a warren there were a bunch of those Eres and Deragoth hunting together and there were even some KCCM that were still living too. Wasn't that a fragment or memory of a warren, not an actual warren leading back in time?
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Levitate posted:Eh I sometimes forget there's a difference between ascendants and gods as well
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Oh. Well poo poo, I don't know. Is traveling to a dimension something that is an exact recreation of a place in the past time travel? Does time even work linearly in Malazan? 
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amuayse posted:Oh. Well poo poo, I don't know. Is traveling to a dimension something that is an exact recreation of a place in the past time travel? If doesn't connect to that actual past - that is, what you do doesn't actually affect the past - why would it be?
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To gain knowledge I guess? Dogs domesticating humans and such.
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