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HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Three days until match finalization, oh god.

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Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

I guess I should finalize that poo poo.

Solis
Feb 2, 2011

Now you can take this knowledge and turn it into part of yourself.
Just finalized mine. One month guys...

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

One more month until more programs tell me I should have done and should do an internship! :smithicide:

This is after being told I didn't need to do one

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!
Have any of you applied for internships/residencies at private facilities or are you all going academic?

Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

YourCreation posted:

Have any of you applied for internships/residencies at private facilities or are you all going academic?

All mine in the match are academic, but that's kinda how equine works. The private ones are outside the match and I didn't get the ones I applied to because of *reasons* and lack of penis.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

If I don't get a residency at an academic institution, I'll be applying to a private internship. The type of internship is very different from the usual rotating in that it's basically being a first year resident but after the year is done, and if you happen to be accepted at whatever institution you get, you have to be a first year resident anyway.

Basically people thinking that private general practice apparently can't create good residents. Way to defuse the whole "Ivory Tower" stigma :thumbsup:

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.

HelloSailorSign posted:

Basically people thinking that private general practice apparently can't create good residents. Way to defuse the whole "Ivory Tower" stigma :thumbsup:

Private general practice doesn't generate the diversity of cases that referral institutions do. Being exposed to those is the point of doing an internship.

That said, I think the necessity of doing an internship depends on the residency you're going into. Most specialties are now requiring them, however, so it's becoming less of a "this institution's choice" and more "the ACVwhatever requires this".

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

The whole point of a residency is to learn. You don't go into a residency and start seeing your own cases solo, and in the specialty I'm looking into, they don't start you on solo on-call until 4-5 months after you start - and you still have faculty available for consultation.

Braki
Aug 9, 2006

Happy birthday!
We have a radiology intern at our school and she really does do the exact same stuff as the resident.

I also only applied to academic - private practice internships for small animal rotating can vary a lot in quality and I didn't want to risk it.

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!
I feel like I am probably going to be at my school until my thirties. It's the only one in the UK that does an ECC residency :-/

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Braki posted:

We have a radiology intern at our school and she really does do the exact same stuff as the resident.

I also only applied to academic - private practice internships for small animal rotating can vary a lot in quality and I didn't want to risk it.

And that's the huge risk too - you might get paid next to nothing and be at the internship for 80 hours a week with no mentoring and only learning which antacid works best for you. At least in General Practice I can get paid a decent amount and have some kind of a life, whereas internships are basically "Clinical Year, Round 2." I was doing solo procedures months before I'd see some of my internship classmates post about their first, and others were doing procedures and managing cases I'd seen few or none of.

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.
There's some confusion about terminology here, BTW - an "internship" is traditionally where you rotate through several services to gain additional experience before starting a residency (or practice). Internships in specific specialties (radiology internship, etc.) are basically because there are more people wanting a specialty than slots for them, so people are trading a year of really, really crappy pay for additional experience in their desired specialty. I think they're terrible, but there's little risk of a "pathology internship", so maybe I'm not qualified to judge.

HelloSailorSign posted:

And that's the huge risk too - you might get paid next to nothing and be at the internship for 80 hours a week with no mentoring and only learning which antacid works best for you. At least in General Practice I can get paid a decent amount and have some kind of a life, whereas internships are basically "Clinical Year, Round 2." I was doing solo procedures months before I'd see some of my internship classmates post about their first, and others were doing procedures and managing cases I'd seen few or none of.

I know people who went into private practice and had their boss go on vacation as soon as they started. There's no guarantee any which way, but an internship at least is supposed to have some guidelines as far as the experience you get. Also, most people in academia know someone in the rest of academia and the major practices, or know someone who does. It's a lot more difficult to get an idea of what a given private practice is like, because the quality varies so tremendously. That's true for internships as well, but it's easier to peg how good a given internship is.

What specialty are you aiming for?

If it's helpful to folks, here are my thoughts on residencies:

I'm always amazed at both how close and how far apart the faculty is when we pick residents. There's a group of people we always rank similarly, then several people we disagree on. What I can say is that meeting people in person is really, really helpful if you're not annoying. Having a face and a personality with the name and CV makes choosing someone much easier.

I have also been surprised at how much weight I end up giving the personal statement - I really want to know why someone is interested in this specialty, what drew them to it, what experiences they've had, etc. When I get a generic "I love pathology, I want to be a pathologist", I can't help but wonder if the person has any idea what they're getting into.

Letters of recommendation are big as well. If someone has letters from people I know, I call them - it gives me a chance to reconnect with friends and gives them a chance to be candid with me if necessary. If someone comes from a place where I know someone, even if they don't have a letter from the person, I call them as well. Our last round of resident applicants I made 10 calls for different people.

While I don't put a huge weight on grades, I have colleagues who start ranking people by grades and go on from there. It just depends on peoples' experiences.

When I was applying to places, I flew myself to Minnesota to interview, and WSU flew me out. I think the big things that helped me get a residency (despite my grades) were working on a project in the discipline while in vet school, and working on the necropsy floor. I knew several of the pathologists well, and they could write genuine letters of recommendation that don't sound generic and were really positive.

Khelmar fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jan 16, 2014

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Yeah, I should have clarified a bit myself. I'm looking at Radiology. I've done a research project and been published in Vet Rad. In my fourth year, faculty told me my rad skills were on par with a third year resident.

Rather recently, it has been recommended to me to pursue a Radiology Internship, so blah. Rotating I can understand, that's a lot of specialist interaction. Specialty specific is a bit.... Eh.... Considering my previous experience in rads.

Dr. Chaco
Mar 30, 2005

HelloSailorSign posted:

Yeah, I should have clarified a bit myself. I'm looking at Radiology. I've done a research project and been published in Vet Rad. In my fourth year, faculty told me my rad skills were on par with a third year resident.

Rather recently, it has been recommended to me to pursue a Radiology Internship, so blah. Rotating I can understand, that's a lot of specialist interaction. Specialty specific is a bit.... Eh.... Considering my previous experience in rads.

Not to mention completely hypocritical when the faculty at a "so you want to be a radiologist" presentation have given such advice as "it's ok to do private practice instead of an internship, just show us you can practice medicine" and "you don't need to do a radiology internship because we'll teach you all the radiology you need to know."

My mouth hurts thinking about a cat I did major extractions on today for stomatitis. I'll probably be up all night worrying about him, and worrying about the c-section dog and her puppies, and the dachsund who is now minus 30 teeth and plus two oronasal fistulas...why do I like to cut things again?

Braki
Aug 9, 2006

Happy birthday!

Dr. Chaco posted:

My mouth hurts thinking about a cat I did major extractions on today for stomatitis. I'll probably be up all night worrying about him, and worrying about the c-section dog and her puppies, and the dachsund who is now minus 30 teeth and plus two oronasal fistulas...why do I like to cut things again?

I'm on a behaviour externship right now, but the vet also does general practice and dentals so she let me section and extract a molar today from a dog. As I started with the elevators, she was like, "Ok, careful not to accidentally stab it into his eye...", so of course, all I can imagine for the rest of that extraction is them telling the owners they let a student try to extract a tooth and welp, now we gotta take out the eye, sorry!

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

If you don't cut things, whose puppies will I resuscitate? :saddowns:

Edit: speaking of...
http://youtu.be/Cm8LiIO-gro

HelloSailorSign fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jan 16, 2014

Dr. Chaco
Mar 30, 2005

HelloSailorSign posted:

If you don't cut things, whose puppies will I recusitate? :saddowns:

Ok, I guess I'll keep doing c-sections so you can have puppies to rub and coo at. But maybe no more litters this week? There's only so much repro I want to be doing.

Seriously, all the small animal people facebooked through repro lectures and talked about how we only need to know how to spay and neuter things. We didn't take into account that there are plenty of communities with lots of intact animals, as well as idiot breeders who should know better. And all of them want to have difficult deliveries in the middle of my surgery schedule, or last thing at night. Never at a convenient time.

Solis
Feb 2, 2011

Now you can take this knowledge and turn it into part of yourself.
Dear world: please stop giving me CNS cases to euthanize. I had an ICU full of demented/altered mentation dogs for half of the week and I just about wanted to shoot myself. One was so badly off I legitimately couldn't tell if it was seizing or just moving from discomfort. It then proceeded to herniate its brain and arrest at nearly midnight, which was a really fun phone call to make.

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.
Thanks for making me love path more, folks.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
People keep asking me why I am in school as a tech vs a vet, and aside from the obvious (you guys are much smarter and harder working than me), literally everything about this thread. Everything.

lorabel
Apr 4, 2013

I hope it's okay if I ask for some advice here. This is my first female cat so I don't really know how the whole healing process should go, male cats are so easy in comparison. I will call my vet and everything but because it's in another language that I'm not fluent in yet I'd like to kind of get an idea about it in English too.

I have a kitten that's 6 months (3,2 kilos) that was castrated last Friday on the 10th and my vet said to leave the cone on for 7-10 days. Well tomorrow is day 7 and I don't know if it's healed enough. I'm not sure if you guys can help without seeing her or anything, but I thought I would ask just in case.

They put in the stitches that don't need to be removed because they go away on their own, but I can't tell if they're still what's holding her together or if it's actually healing up because I couldn't see stitches even the day I brought her home.

Should I be safe and keep the cone on her all the way to day 10 and keep her away from her cat tree and her energetic brother?

It's a bit bulgy and pink but has scabbed really well and they're starting to fall away. I took some pictures if that helps.

Here she is:


Edit: I will just wait the 10 days out and I guess the swelling is normal. Thanks.

lorabel fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Jan 17, 2014

Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

Thanks for the mild heart attack, NBVME.

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Just don't email us, christ.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Slugworth posted:

People keep asking me why I am in school as a tech vs a vet, and aside from the obvious (you guys are much smarter and harder working than me), literally everything about this thread. Everything.

Yeah, we have a kennel assistant who wanted to be a vet. I convinced him that being a tech was a better idea, from an economical, emotional, and job prospect level. I felt both sad and good about doing so.

Shnooks
Mar 24, 2007

I'M BEING BORN D:

HelloSailorSign posted:

Yeah, we have a kennel assistant who wanted to be a vet. I convinced him that being a tech was a better idea, from an economical, emotional, and job prospect level. I felt both sad and good about doing so.

Not saying a vet's pay is much better, but goddamn techs and assistants are paid utter garbage with no benefits. I mean yeah, it's less than vet school but ugh, still a huge loan burden compared to what you make yearly.

Braki
Aug 9, 2006

Happy birthday!

Enelrahc posted:

Thanks for the mild heart attack, NBVME.


Just don't email us, christ.

I read this post before I checked my email, and seeing that STILL made me freeze for a second.

Solis
Feb 2, 2011

Now you can take this knowledge and turn it into part of yourself.
Is the Canadian NBVME still mired in the past and only sending scores by mail months after the americans already get theirs?

E: Oh for gently caress's sake, ANOTHER horrible neuro case.

Solis fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Jan 17, 2014

Braki
Aug 9, 2006

Happy birthday!
My email did not remind me about my NAVID, so I'm going to say yes.

Topoisomerase
Apr 12, 2007

CULTURE OF VICIOUSNESS

Solis posted:

Is the Canadian NBVME still mired in the past and only sending scores by mail months after the americans already get theirs?

E: Oh for gently caress's sake, ANOTHER horrible neuro case.

A girl I know in Montreal got hers already....just saying.

Also, I applied to private practice and academic internships.

Topoisomerase fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jan 18, 2014

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

10yo Lab mix, 1 mo history of a slow growing, pedunculated, alopecic, dermal 3cm mass. Felt fleshy, had some blood vessels tracking up the side. Client not letting us send it in, so I stabbed it with many needles after Chaco took it off.

10x:

100x:





I was thinking round cell. Some of them have eccentrically placed nuclei, but I'm not seeing Golgi all that well.
This is a Diff Quik stain.
Don't ask about 40x because that somehow always has oil on it :(

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.
Round cell doesn't really fit the presentation, and with that clustering, I'd be wondering about something epithelial, although I'm useless at clin path.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Yeah, clinically I was betting it was going to be a sarcoma.

The clustering made me think of carcinoma as well, but then the ones I was seeing single didnt really remind me of carcinoma cells.

Round was sort of the leftover one...

Not Grover
Nov 6, 2007
I wish I still had the slide, but that reminds me of the slide I made and sent out this past Fall. I thought it was a cutaneous lymphoma, but I was a little off. I don't recall what the lab decided on, exactly, though.

Topoisomerase
Apr 12, 2007

CULTURE OF VICIOUSNESS
Yeah they don't look very much like epithelial cells when they're outside of those cluster/groups. But there sure are a lot of them to be a sarcoma on FNA.

Topoisomerase fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jan 19, 2014

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.
Comedy TVT option.

Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

Khelmar posted:

Comedy TVT option.

Best neoplasia.

YourCreation
Jan 4, 2004

A little creative surgery helps turn a few sick pets into a new and improved friend!

Khelmar posted:

Comedy TVT option.

I have a few slides of one in my desk right now. Good times!
Just pulled them out and they are over 5 years old. Wow.

Asstro Van
Apr 15, 2007

Always check your blind spots before backing that thang up.
We had a TVT dog come in a couple months ago, he was originally from Puerto Rico. I have never seen so many people excited about a dog penis.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Oh god, if it ends up a TVT...

Anyway, learned something new today, apparently vaccines make animals immune to maggots. Also, if they have maggots, maybe the animal ate something dead and that's where they're coming from :v:

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Chaosfeather
Nov 4, 2008

This may not be the place to ask but...

I'm an unlicensed vet tech who is working at a small facility and long story short the Veterinarian is working with broken, out of date tools. The fridge we use for medication and samples does not keep. I'm drawing the line when the last heart monitor went out last week and we continue to do operations without it.

Apparently I am the only one who has a problem with this. What can I do and how do I report this?

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