totalnewbie posted:

Gilded Age, not Golden Age.

It looks great on the surface, sure, but underneath all that gold leaf, it was crap. Hence, Gilded Age.

Infomaniac posted:

That's what peter schiff said on joe rogan's podcast, it was pretty surreal.
Two + hours of ridiculous assertions about how the world "really works"- but all everybody has to do is change the way everthing actually works. It was like listening to a person talk about the world they built for their mmorpg. Oh, and according to schiff the more you know about economics, the less you understand about the subject - convenient when your assertions are only backed by the alternative reality in your head.

Sir Rolo posted:

So thanks to the Ham/Nye debate, my feed now has several different types of evolution debates going on.

And out of all the bullshit posted so far in complete sincerity, this one is probably my favorite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGAypN3_L0

quote:

Had to share !
I was eating breakfast with my 10-year-old Granddaughter
and I asked her, "What day is tomorrow?" .

Without skipping a beat she said, "It's President's Day!" .

She's smart, so I asked her "What does President's Day mean?" .

I was waiting for something about Washington or Lincoln, etc.

She replied, "President's Day is when President Obama steps
out of the White House, and if he sees his shadow, we have
4 more years of Bull poo poo."

You know, it hurts when hot coffee spurts out your nose

Sir Rolo posted:

So thanks to the Ham/Nye debate, my feed now has several different types of evolution debates going on.

And out of all the bullshit posted so far in complete sincerity, this one is probably my favorite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGAypN3_L0

borkencode posted:

Straight out of stdh.txt

Hello Sailor posted:

I interpreted the CBO report rather differently. People are expected to voluntarily transition from full-time to part-time to render themselves ineligible for employer-sponsored insurance (and may take additional part time jobs to compensate for the loss of income) because the exchange insurance (after subsidies) is considerably cheaper than what their employers offer to full-time employees. So, approximately 2.5 million people over the next decade (with about 2 million of that in the next three years) are giving up the possibility of overtime pay for much cheaper insurance, which most employers will take as much advantage of as possible.

"Hello, Peter. What's happening? Um, I'm gonna need you go ahead and come in tomorrow. So if you could be here around nine, that would be great. Oh, oh, yea…I forgot. I'm gonna also need you to come in Sunday too. We, uh, lost some people this week and we need to sorta catch up. Thanks." --Office Space

quote:

A town hall meeting with Rep. Jim Bridenstine (R-OK) took a bizarre turn recently when a woman in the audience declared that President Obama "should be executed as an enemy combatant" and the congressman kept speaking cordially with her.

Bridenstine issued a statement on Thursday denouncing the remark, but that wasn't until eight days after someone posted a video of the town hall online.

It's unclear when the town hall was held. But the video that was posted Jan. 29 shows Bridenstine speaking with a small group of people inside a room.

At one point in the video, a woman can be heard calling for the President to be killed and saying something about "the Muslims he is shipping into our country."

In response, Bridenstine offered some sympathy for the woman's views.

"Everybody knows the lawlessness of this president. He picks and chooses which laws he's going to enforce or not enforce, he does it by decree," Bridenstine told her.

After talking with the woman, Bridenstine took a question from another woman who said the president should be impeached. He laughed at her comment, but did not dispute it.

"You know, you look so sweet," he said to the woman.

In his statement Thursday, Bridenstine said he does not "condone" the statements made at the town hall.

"A public figure cannot control what people say in open meetings. I obviously did not condone and I do not approve of grossly inappropriate language. It is outrageous that irresponsible parties would attribute another person’s reckless remarks to me," Bridenstine said.

Spangly A posted:

This doesn't mean "eggheads know nothing", it actually means "this subject is really difficult and idiots should shut up about it because we can't even guarantee our best methods will work every time".

Infomaniac posted:

Actually, when schiff says this, he literally means that any person on the street knows more about economics than someone with an advanced degree because of something something common sense can teach you all there is to know - bipity bopity boo, magic common sense free markets, deregulation, libertarian word salad spell casting.

RagnarokAngel posted:

That's the conservative narrative though. The only difference is they blame the government rather than the company.

Alien Arcana posted:

Also known as the Andrew Schlafly "Best of the Public" rule.

Infomaniac posted:

Had to look him up and I'm glad I did. Phyllis' son, I'm not surprised how he turned out. He does look very happy, though so good for him.

Hello Sailor posted:

I take the view that any belief system that doesn't include the three claims below (whether axiomatic or justified) produces a result that renders discussion meaningless. As such, it's acceptable to make them axiomatic.

1. Reality exists.
2. We detect reality through our senses and those senses are at least somewhat reliable.
3. The law of identity (and thereby, its derivatives and corollaries that form the laws of logic) is necessary for us to distinguish things within reality from each other.

Hello Sailor posted:

1. Reality exists.
2. We detect reality through our senses and those senses are at least somewhat reliable.
3. The law of identity (and thereby, its derivatives and corollaries that form the laws of logic) is necessary for us to distinguish things within reality from each other.

The Philosophy of Objectivism: A Brief Summary posted:

The base of Objectivism is explicit: "Existence exists—and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists."
...
The third axiom at the base of knowledge—an axiom true, in Aristotle's words, of "being qua being"—is the Law of Identity
...
Since each of these elements is based on the facts of reality, the conclusions reached by a process of reason are objective.

AlliedBiscuit posted:

It blew my mind that it's the same Schlafly family that owns the St. Louis Brewery and the Schlafly line of beer. Though apparently Tom Schlafly, the owner and cousin of Andrew, is actually a moderate Democrat who "doesn't discuss politics" when he sees his aunt on holidays.

Arturo Ui posted:

And Phyllis's other son John is gay but still opposes gay marriage and gays in the military.

Soviet Commubot posted:

I will never understand why people get so mad about this.

VitalSigns posted:

Wait wait wait, this looks familiar...


I think I found you your perfect philosophy, my friend!

Arturo Ui posted:

And Phyllis's other son John is gay but still opposes gay marriage and gays in the military.

Laminator posted:

Oklahoma is making the news again, this time about a racist homophobe restaurant store owner in Enid: http://kfor.com/2014/02/06/graphic-language-enid-restaurant-owner-gets-heat-for-alleged-discrimination/

He's running for office.

Hello Sailor posted:

The usual liberal narrative I run into is that they're voluntarily going part-time and won't be getting another part-time job to compensate, because somehow [.8(gross income) - new insurance costs] > (gross income - old insurance costs), when the people who generally could afford insurance (or get coverage at all) before ACA are the ones who saw rate increases.

The CBO report supports neither of them, as far as I can tell. The conservative one is blatant falsehood, but the liberal one is drawing an implication that isn't being made.


e: Hm. Went back and skimmed through the relevant part of the report again (the appendix starting on pg 117). The CBO is actually saying people will be going part-time and not expected to take a second job, but only appear to be taking people who currently qualify for marketplace subsidies into account. They don't appear to address the issue of people going from full-time to part-time to lose their qualifications for employer-sponsored coverage.

some racist dickwad posted:

NO YOU DIDN'T!!!
Mr. President, Did you really just put the GI Bill in the same boat with Welfare & Food stamps?
Mr. President, Did you really just put military personnel who have worked, sacrificed, fought, been injured, died and earned every penny of the GI Bill in the same boat with those who are slaves to & addicted to your entitlements, those who never hunt for jobs, are lazy, rape & pillage our country, have babies to get a raise not even knowing who their babies Daddy's are?
If so sir you are disgusting, disrespectful, deceitful and Americas Biggest Loser!!! How Dare You!!!

Warren Peace posted:

The president is off his rocker to put the G.I. bill and welfare in the same category. Insane. Easy to diminish those who fight and sacrifice for freedom for those who have never served but sit there and take full advantage of it on the backs of the fe a willing to step up and defend it. I get being anti-war, but if you are one of those that sit back bitching about the military and calling us baby killers and whatever else in your self righteous ignorant bitching, you should move somewhere with no military. You haven't served, you are ignorant, and only have the freedom to do so because you are protected by those that stood up and provided it.

hamster_style posted:

edit: She updated her OP to include this

quote:

The president is off his rocker to put the G.I. bill and welfare in the same category. Insane. Easy to diminish those who fight and sacrifice for freedom for those who have never served but sit there and take full advantage of it on the backs of the fe a willing to step up and defend it. I get being anti-war, but if you are one of those that sit back bitching about the military and calling us baby killers and whatever else in your self righteous ignorant bitching, you should move somewhere with no military. You haven't served, you are ignorant, and only have the freedom to do so because you are protected by those that stood up and provided it.

Mo_Steel posted:

No one is diminishing soldiers but her by suggesting that welfare is somehow something worthy of derision, scorn or embarrassment (and that thus it's unacceptable to compare soldier social programs to other social programs). It's not, and that sort of toxic mentality needs to leave the U.S. yesterday. Being helped when you need help isn't a moral failing or a character flaw.

hamster_style posted:

She is/was in the National Guard which is why I think she is hyper-ventilating about being compared to those "takers".

FuzzySkinner posted:

I came to one conclusion.

He and other people like him are literally Nazi's.

Hating other races? Check
Hating Gays? Check
Hating the HANDICAPPED? Check.
Hating ("Socialists")? Check.

I hate to go that extreme, but if the shoe fits.

Why would one hate on the handicapped? Seriously only a Nazi would.

Mornacale posted:

It's easy, just hate everyone that makes you feel the slightest bit of discomfort or fear. Other races are hated for all the usual reasons, gay people because buttsex is icky and they might treat you like you treat women, the handicapped because they force you to reflect on your good fortune in life and the possibility that it could all go away at any time. It's the same reason for the visceral disgust we show for the homeless: how dare they remind me that I'm incredibly privileged and make me feel like I'm a bad person because I never do anything to help them?

Fulchrum posted:

If only there were a way for the American People to get together, maybe once every four years, and vote for whether the President keeps his job or not!!

Fulchrum posted:

Defenestration posted:

I think anything instructing extremelypissedoffrightwingers to Keep Calm is going to fail

Defenestration posted:

Republicans love women, really we do