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Telesphorus posted:I'm thinking I should start dishing out some political stuff on Facebook. I feel obligated to balance out all the craziness I see, including articles from The Blaze, Alex Jones, gun control memes, Obama vs. Putin memes, and my personal favorite: A chart done in MS Paint titled "The Nature Hierarchy of the House" that has MAN: PROVIDER OF THE FAMILY and beneath it, WOMEN: MAINTAINER OF THE HOME AND KIDS. Engage them as people, bonus points if you are white, male and a veteran. A lot of the counters they use off of fox news fall apart if you can do that. An appeal to actual debate and discourse helps if the people involved care about being called out as poo poo heads. Honestly, just sever from the worst though. Someone who never has changed their opinions from discussion will never do it from facebook.
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Grognan posted:Engage them as people, bonus points if you are white, male and a veteran. A lot of the counters they use off of fox news fall apart if you can do that. Honestly laughing my rear end off at how helpful that is for in-person stuff. I'm not a veteran, just an athletic white male with short hair (one dude was shocked by no military service and specifically said "model soldier" referencing looks, others less ridiculously so). I've seen multiple IRL advocates of right-wing email poo poo wax conciliatory because of proper engagement and polite contradiction. I totally agree it's worthless engaging in facebook/youtube/etc debates, if your goal is achieving things. If you know someone for real, they will either engage or you'll write each other off as not worth it. If you don't know someone for real, the chances of persuasion are heavily reliant on either party being ultra-lonely. edit: To be fair, mistaken veteran status is at least as much a signifier on how little of the population serves and how little of the population is young+healthy enough to serve, as it is on dumb whitey confirmation bias. Some guy randomly saluting me as I leave a sandwich shop wouldn't be laughable if a meaningful number of Americans were enlisted. And we'd probably all be better off if more than 20% of our idiot congress had ever experienced war. sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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sweart gliwere posted:I totally agree it's worthless engaging in facebook/youtube/etc debates, if your goal is achieving things. If you know someone for real, they will either engage or you'll write each other off as not worth it. If you don't know someone for real, the chances of persuasion are heavily reliant on either party being ultra-lonely. My motivation for engaging the crazies I know on facebook is to provide a second voice to be heard by everyone else. I know I'm not likely to change the minds of most people, but if I can make a well reasoned argument hopefully someone on the sidelines will get the message.
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borkencode posted:My motivation for engaging the crazies I know on facebook is to provide a second voice to be heard by everyone else. I know I'm not likely to change the minds of most people, but if I can make a well reasoned argument hopefully someone on the sidelines will get the message. Thank you for posting this, because it is a good point and one that is easy to forget. It's tempting to say, "gently caress it, I can't change his mind," and move on, but that just allows misinformation to spread unchecked. If one viewpoint dominates the debate, it gains apparent legitimacy by pure volume.
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Any conspiracy theories about the explosion in NY? I'm hoping it's another Obama false flag or the Russians did it. Also, it makes Obama look weak. MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Mar 12, 2014 16:37
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There's been at least one gas explosion I've read on the news in Israel. So the conspiracy is international!
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False Flag Operation by anti-fracking commies 
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Centripetal Horse posted:Thank you for posting this, because it is a good point and one that is easy to forget. It's tempting to say, "gently caress it, I can't change his mind," and move on, but that just allows misinformation to spread unchecked. If one viewpoint dominates the debate, it gains apparent legitimacy by pure volume. Yeah, I've had a couple people actually thank me in person for responding to some of the worst of the poop. A lot of people don't necessarily feel comfortable arguing with others, either due to that just being their personality or if they don't feel capable of putting forth a solid argument. And speaking of the poop...  Pee pee doo doo, Obama is a bad president. (Also Carter)
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borkencode posted:My motivation for engaging the crazies I know on facebook is to provide a second voice to be heard by everyone else. I know I'm not likely to change the minds of most people, but if I can make a well reasoned argument hopefully someone on the sidelines will get the message. That's often my reasoning for ever engaging in arguments on the internet. It's never for the sake of the two people arguing, but for all of the people who aren't invested enough in their views to participate, because THOSE are the minds you're going to change. That even applies to some of the arguments I get into on these forums, sometimes.
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borkencode posted:Yeah, I've had a couple people actually thank me in person for responding to some of the worst of the poop. A lot of people don't necessarily feel comfortable arguing with others, either due to that just being their personality or if they don't feel capable of putting forth a solid argument. Oh christ is that from Young Republicans or some poo poo? Texas A&M's young conservatives are notoriously lovely and were complete shitheads when I was there.
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A Buzzfeed top 5 list where the first three slots have 44 entries Good research work by a fine institution These are the same people who scoff about government research grants.
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That's not how rankings work. If two people tie for first, the next person is third place, not second.
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Are you saying Texans are stupid? You'd be right.
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MariusLecter posted:Are you saying Texans are stupid? Hey! We're not stupid. We only elected Rick Perry to executive office 4 times, okay? We'll learn eventually.
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SaltLick posted:Oh christ is that from Young Republicans or some poo poo? Texas A&M's young conservatives are notoriously lovely and were complete shitheads when I was there. 
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Email entitled: 'Hilary's response to the missing 777' "When asked about the missing Malaysian 777 here is Hillary’s response: "What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"" Simple, dumb, and a forward that somebody sent to everybody in the company. (nearly everyone else in the company is 50+ and falls from anywhere to 'leaning a little right' to 'full on tea party.') I'm honestly surprised I don't get more of these.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:45
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 I love it when "common sense" is used to try and prop up a conservative argument.
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seiferguy posted:
It all comes back to "scale" argument that keeps popping up about conservative ideology. They have no desire to extrapolate out small scale ideas into the larger scale. They just decide it works the same and that's it.
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I agree, if too many workers pull a rich lovely entitled executive, eventually the wagon (company) won't go anywhere!
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ratbert90 posted:I agree, if too many workers pull a rich lovely entitled executive, eventually the wagon (company) won't go anywhere! Looks like it's time for another round of layoffs!
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borkencode posted:Yeah, I've had a couple people actually thank me in person for responding to some of the worst of the poop. A lot of people don't necessarily feel comfortable arguing with others, either due to that just being their personality or if they don't feel capable of putting forth a solid argument. This is not how ties work. If 3 people tie for gold, there are no silver or bronze. What follows is fourth place. Both silly and stupid.
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VitalSigns posted:Hey! We're not stupid Oh yes we are.
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MariusLecter posted:Oh yes we are. Speak for yourself, I live in Austin, we're just surrounded and out numbered.
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LeJackal posted:
I like how there is no indication that any of the latter three things are incorrect.
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MisterBadIdea posted:I like how there is no indication that any of the latter three things are incorrect. I noticed that it's kind of a thing in these conservative forwards/memes to just post a quote by a "Liberal" with no further comment, as though it is all by itself entirely ridiculous and infuriating.
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MisterBadIdea posted:I like how there is no indication that any of the latter three things are incorrect. The first one doesn't even actually end where they have the period.
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 Wasn't this sort of image really in vogue a few years ago? OP is an old high-school classmate of mine, but I'm not sure I can be assed replying, might be better of just hitting with an ignore. Dunno.
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What would Americans do if the Chinese came in and gave New York to the Native Americans then shoved the Americans into Jersey and slowly starting making Jersey even more ghetto bulldozing peoples homes.
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Looking over these forwards, one common contradiction of many I've noticed in conservative thought is as follows: 1. "Poor people should get jobs, anyone can unless they're lazy!" 2. "Obama and the democrats killed millions of jobs!" Has anyone ever tried playing one of these arguments off another, or just pointed out the doublethink? If so, what responses are typical?
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Drone strike them, duh.
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KazigluBey posted:
If New York started bulldozing houses in New Jersey, and New Jersey was a different country, and New Jersey decided to fight back, and then New York bitched about it and New York used it's massive amounts of money to engage in a giant propaganda campaign and declare itself innocent. Then yeah, that macro might be slightly accurate.
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KazigluBey posted:
Gaza is literally the worlds biggest concentration camp. It's a cosmic irony that the state of Israel is one of the most brutal and fascist states in existence. I sympathize for the Jewish people, not the Israeli government. I wonder how these people who are all "REAL AMERICANS PROTECT ISRAEL" feel when a majority of American jews don't support what Israel is doing?
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Polybius91 posted:Looking over these forwards, one common contradiction of many I've noticed in conservative thought is as follows: It goes hand in hand with 1. "The government can't create jobs!" 2. "The economy is doing badly, why didn't Obama create more jobs?"
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Alexzandvar posted:Gaza is literally the worlds biggest concentration camp. It's a cosmic irony that the state of Israel is one of the most brutal and fascist states in existence. I sympathize for the Jewish people, not the Israeli government. You're pretending that these "Real Americans" value people's lives and not power
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pillsburysoldier posted:You're pretending that these "Real Americans" value people's lives and not power Anyone with a brain knows we gain far more in negative attention for unconditional support for Israel then we gain in having 1 state in the ME that doesn't dislike us. But then again, what your working with here is stupid people, anyone who thinks America is obligated to support Israel is not thinking straight or ignorant. Both sides value lives, one side knows how to get power were the other will fly into irrelevance believing they already have power.
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Skex posted:Speak for yourself, I live in Austin, we're just surrounded and out numbered. Austin is the new Alamo?
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Hello Sailor posted:Austin is the new Alamo? They should start capitalizing on the whole Molon Labe thing.
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Skex posted:Speak for yourself, I live in Austin, we're just surrounded and out numbered. But Austin has (the Texas) Capitol Hill surrounded. I say this as a born and raised Austinite who is both terrified and morbidly fascinated by the idea of people storming the house chamber next time Texas Republicans do something as disgusting as their actions during the Wendy Davis filibuster.
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vyelkin posted:It goes hand in hand with I believe the conservative answer to that one is that the government can't create jobs, but it can take the jackboot of taxes/regulations off of businesses so that they can create jobs.
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