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"Master Imus's Transgression" and "Regia Occulta" from the "Thorn and Talon" audiodrama play Eisenhorn off as a Film Noir gumshoe. I seem to remember a story of him investigating an escaped xenos animal as well, but I can't seem to find out what it was called... Other than those, and the previously mentioned stuff, in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only DAKKADAKKADAKKA.
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VanSandman posted:Which 40k books are mystery-flavored? I'm tired of bolter porn and want to read some mystery poo poo. Feel free to mention stuff that I have probably already read. I think Scourge the Heretic and Innocence Proves Nothing were mystery books and decent. It's been a while though, so I can't say for sure.
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Aaron Dembski-Bowden's follow up novella to Helsreach is £1.75 over on the BL site and is definitely worth picking up.
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Donnerberg posted:I think Scourge the Heretic and Innocence Proves Nothing were mystery books and decent. It's been a while though, so I can't say for sure. i think they were decent as well. I enjoyed reading them, but its been some time
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berzerkmonkey posted:"Master Imus's Transgression" and "Regia Occulta" from the "Thorn and Talon" audiodrama play Eisenhorn off as a Film Noir gumshoe. I seem to remember a story of him investigating an escaped xenos animal as well, but I can't seem to find out what it was called... Other than those, and the previously mentioned stuff, in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only DAKKADAKKADAKKA. I thought Regia Occulta was the story of hunting an animal? It's an Ork.
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The story I'm thinking of was some zoo animal that was tearing through a city. If I can find it, I'll post the title.
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May 21, 2014 21:51
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Strange Demise of Titus Endor?
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Khizan posted:The Shira Calpurnia books by Matthew Farrer are sort of mystery-esque, I suppose. They're about the Arbites and 40k policework, at least. Crossfire, Legacy, Blind, I think. I LOVED After Desh'ea so I bought the omnibus and I have to say I found Crossfire to be unbearably draggy and bland, like put-me-to-sleep-while-reading bland. Also the plot thread didn't seem very strong (lots of "why are we here again?") and the "twist" was obvious and stupid. I could not finish the omnibus. Maybe I just have Bad Opinions though because I loved Pariah and I think Ravenor Returned is the single strongest thing Abnett has ever written (although No Know Fear, Only in Death, Necropolis, and Malleus are all so close as to be a four-way tie for second place).
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jng2058 posted:Which is funny, because Rogue Trader included rules for Imperial Robots who you programmed in advance like you were playing Robo Rally 40k. Those were fun, especially when someone's programming went off the rails and the robot wandered into a volcano or something. Good times. I think the reasoning there was that if they're following pre-programmed instructions they're not actually thinking machines / AI ("abominable intelligences"). They've brought back Imperial robots sort of in the new Heresy books as the Legio Cybernetica, but I think they're now explicitly cyborgs and are brains in robot bodies and the rules are just regular rules. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 04:47 on May 22, 2014 |
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IIRC poo poo like cataphracts have wetware as their processing unit.
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Also savants are basically mentats. Though Abnett prefers to imagine that data processing in the Imperium is done not just by them but by some combination of savants, extremely limited computers of some sort "data looms," and giant mechanical computers manned by millions of office workers. Historically, of course, in real life the term "computer" itself once referred to a person and not a device.
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May 22, 2014 04:51
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Cream_Filling posted:Historically, of course, in real life the term "computer" itself once referred to a person and not a device. A slide rule and a table of logarithms would be a step up for most Imperial data processing facilities. Also you should all read some EE Smith. Go for the Lensman series, it's equally batshit as 40k, just in different ways.
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mllaneza posted:A slide rule and a table of logarithms would be a step up for most Imperial data processing facilities. Also you should all read some EE Smith. Go for the Lensman series, it's equally batshit as 40k, just in different ways. Dunno a network blob of savants in data caskets as implied in some of the stories seems like it would be plenty powerful. But yes Lensman is classic sci-fi and a pro-read. Though honestly you sort of have to understand that it was the 30s-40s when they were written (see: hella eugenics). Also, naturally, Dune (though honestly as nerds and particularly 40k nerds you've probably all read it but just in case) OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 05:49 on May 22, 2014 |
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I just finished Brothers of the Snake and I think the first and last chapters have some of the best Astartes/Human interaction in any of the books. I've read plenty of Chaos stuff so I'm used to them being terrible to humans, or at the least highly superior, like the Night Lords series. But this struck a really nice balance between service and superiority. Space Marine/Human stuff is at its best when you see that they're definitely not human (there's alot of this in Prospero Burns) but Brothers of the Snake adds the service component, showing a sort of kindness that's uncommon in these books. When you consider that several chapters also feature mind-bending ultraviolence it makes those first and last chapters that much better. A nice change from alot of Chaos marine books in a row. I know I mentioned the Dark Apostle books earlier to talk about dreadnoughts, but I think I forgot to say what a great job they did showing how Chaos corrupts people taken as slaves. Some really disturbing stuff including peeling back the forehead skin and implanting a metal chaos symbol underneath. That whole plotline was well-done and reminded me of some of the Gaunt's Ghosts Gereon stuff.
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My favorite Astartes/Human interactions are in Helsreach and in the short story that follows it, Blood and Fire. I want to see a buddy cop movie about Grimaldus and Andrej.
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Khizan posted:My favorite Astartes/Human interactions are in Helsreach and in the short story that follows it, Blood and Fire. I want to see a buddy cop movie about Grimaldus and Andrej. I would watch that.
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Khizan posted:My favorite Astartes/Human interactions are in Helsreach and in the short story that follows it, Blood and Fire. I want to see a buddy cop movie about Grimaldus and Andrej. What I love about Adrej is the lack of fucks he gives when talking to a Space Marine. Dude just wants his promotion and then wants to not be on the dead list. He does not care he's talking to a Black Templar.
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boredsatellite posted:What I love about Adrej is the lack of fucks he gives when talking to a Space Marine. Dude just wants his promotion and then wants to not be on the dead list. He does not care he's talking to a Black Templar. i know what I'm buying next then
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:i know what I'm buying next then The Armegeddon omnibus? Because it has both stories in it.
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Yeah Helsreach is pretty solid. I'm not sure on the quality of the omnibus so I can't endorse it E: I'm dumb it's just an anthology with Helsreach and the short story boredsatellite fucked around with this message at 09:57 on May 23, 2014 |
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Get the Armageddon anthology if the price isn't too much higher. The second story about the Celestial Lions is pretty good as well.
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Finished Vengeful Spirit and found it to be a bit meh. It's main selling point is the McGuffin that the Emperor made a bargain with the Chaos Gods and cheated them to gain power and used it to create the primarchs, except we already knew that from The First Heretic. Welp, at least Horus has got his power up and I hope he stops loving around and moves his semi-divine rear end to Terra and do something meaningful at last. I'm dissapointed that McNeill didn't show when Horus was in the Realm of Chaos, it could have been really interesting to see Horus bickering and then bitch slapping the four Gods. Also, I'm the only one who found the plot regarding the Knights Errant mission to be incredibly dumb? So, you assemble a group of elite astartes and send them to the enemy flagship with a stealth ship in a suicide mission to just mark the ship to help a future surprise assault that probably won't happen because now Horus knows it's coming? Good move Russ. Also, when they were saved in extremis by the stealth ship shooting the glasses off Lupercal's Court, wasn't that the perfect assassination opportunity? Like, fill the ship with nuclear warheads and just shoot them at Horus point blank range, or crash the ship into there and overload the warp drive, like Papa Smurf did against the Tyranids during the Battle off MacRagge during the First Tyranid War. But whatever, I won't try to find the logic in that, although I enjoyed the stealth parts inside the vengeful spirit, found really boring every other part of that plot line. Despite all that, the bolter porn it's pretty enjoyable, with some neat battle scenes and some fluff reveals and character development. It just makes the wait for Master of Mankind even more painful. And speaking of ADB, Talon of Horus was scheduled for release in April 2014, somebody knows what happened? Can't find anything about it.
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The Dropsite Massacre is never really written about anywhere, right? Like, we know what happened but is it novelized in any of the books? Besides Fulgrim, I guess, jesus I loving hate every Emperor's Children character (besides Saul).
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I was under the impression that the False Gods, Galaxy In Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein Horus Heresy books along with Fulgrim covered a lot of what happened at the Drop-Site Massacre, though it's been a long, long time since I read those. Actually I can't remember anything at all about False Gods or Galaxy in Flames apart from Angron jumping out of a moving jet or something to smash puny loyalists  so that may be telling of their overall quality. It's been a long time though so feel free to correct me!Edit: The First Heretic had some pretty cool scenes with the massacre but was about a lot of other stuff as well. Good book! Frankly fucked around with this message at 05:08 on May 26, 2014 |
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I haven't kept up with the Horus Heresy books for a little while now, how closer are we to getting to the goddamn assault on terra?
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One book closer, probably another 10+ more to go.
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Bang3r posted:I haven't kept up with the Horus Heresy books for a little while now, how closer are we to getting to the goddamn assault on terra?
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Personally I'm really looking forward to listening to the extraordinary re-imagining of the Siege of Terra in my $200 limited edition audio book signed by the author Nick Kyme 
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Frankly posted:I was under the impression that the False Gods, Galaxy In Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein Horus Heresy books along with Fulgrim covered a lot of what happened at the Drop-Site Massacre, though it's been a long, long time since I read those. Actually I can't remember anything at all about False Gods or Galaxy in Flames apart from Angron jumping out of a moving jet or something to smash puny loyalists False Gods, Galaxy In Flames and Flight of the Eisenstein all happen before the Drop Site Massacre; the included astartes vs astartes combat is when the traitor legions purge their own loyalist elements, but the DSM is a different event where loyalist legions are brought to bear against Horus and they get backstabbed by traitors they thought loyal. The end of Fulgrim does cover some of the DSM, but only near the very end. Ditto for The First Heretic.
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Nephilm posted:The end of Fulgrim does cover some of the DSM, but only near the very end. Ditto for The First Heretic. I want you to know that I read this sentence, mentally parsed it for a moment as DSM as in DSM-IV, and it still made sense.
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JerryLee posted:I want you to know that I read this sentence, mentally parsed it for a moment as DSM as in DSM-IV, and it still made sense. poo poo you're right.
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Nephilm posted:False Gods, Galaxy In Flames and Flight of the Eisenstein all happen before the Drop Site Massacre; the included astartes vs astartes combat is when the traitor legions purge their own loyalist elements, but the DSM is a different event where loyalist legions are brought to bear against Horus and they get backstabbed by traitors they thought loyal. Oh that's right, I forgot that the purge and the DSM were two separate events. My bad!
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You fools, if GW reads this stuff about the lack of Dropsite Massacre they're gonna add another ten books before the siege of Terra.
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DirtyRobot posted:You fools, if GW reads this stuff about the lack of Dropsite Massacre they're gonna add another ten books before the siege of Terra. GW would never do such a thing. It'll be 10 limited edition novellas written by Gav Thorpe instead.
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KramFoot posted:GW would never do such a thing. Actually that's where quite a lot of DSM detail ended up. Limited editions, like that Raven Guard book. Plus there's the Horus Heresy rulebooks for the DSM, which actually go into a hell of a lot of detail about it.
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Angry Lobster posted:
I usually find the idea of astartes doing stealth really silly. Sillier than space knights hitting each other with chainsaws, that is. Sure, send an 8-foot superhuman that weighs a ton in armor with power packs loud as an idling station wagon to be all sneaky inside a ship. Wait, even better! Send a -bunch- on them. They'll be in and out like the wind. I can see it happening on an actual battlefield, using special armor with lower signature and exotic deployment to infiltrate enem lines and surprise them when all hell is breaking loose, but not in any contained environment with, you know, guards, cameras, and doors needing access codes. It was silly enough in Angel Exterminatus with uber-sue Nykona playing ninja/sniper/duelist/voidfighter. I hoped they'd given up on the idea.
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The trick is that at this point, their main enemy is *also* wearing power armor and so they can't hear the sneaking ones. "BROTHER!" "WHAT?" "DID YOU HEAR SOMETHING?" "I CAN'T HEAR poo poo, MY SUIT'S POWER PLANT IS TOO LOUD." "PROBABLY NOTHING."
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Pyrolocutus posted:The trick is that at this point, their main enemy is *also* wearing power armor and so they can't hear the sneaking ones.
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