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Fried Chicken posted:Maybe that's not the right term, but Extermination has a game using a modified set of the core rules for playing out how Corax and his honor guard were hunted down after the Dropsite Massacre. This sounds cool as gently caress.
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They seem to be making the primarch models for the old 30k books first, then the newest. Mortarion is releasing at the same time as Vulkan, leaving Night Haunter the only primarch from an older book to not yet have a model so he'll probably be the next one in the pipeline. The most recent 30k book was for the Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Iron Warriors, and Alpha Legion, so Dorn, Corax, Perturabo, and Alpharius will most likely follow after Night Haunter.
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Why does Vulkan have black skin/red eyes, when he's not from Nocturne.
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Because having actual black people in The Hobby was declared "not OK" at some point and they retconned Salamanders to be crazy demonic looking people.
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Jun 2, 2014 11:18
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No, I don't care about that, that's just a bit of 'whoops, this could look a bit racist' common sense. What I mean is, the people of Nocturne the place are genetically black skinned with red eyes. Vulkan does not have these genetics, he shouldn't be that colour. (And wow, both of you assumed I wanted there to be the 'token black Legion' rather than the reason I was trying to bring up. That's some weird projection / damnation going on right there boys.)
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Because it makes more thematic sense and because having a literal token chapter would be just a tiny bit racist. Edit: Space Marines skin changes pigmentation depending on ambient radiation. The black skin and red eyes are a genetic flaw with that part of Vulkan's geneseed. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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From what I vaguely remember up until 3rd ed the people of Nocturne were just whatever colour they happened to be, and Vulkan himself was a black dude because his UV-reactive Space Marine power was set a smidge high. His geenseed over-wrote the pigmentation of any suppicants, in the way that all Blood Angels end up blonde. The red eyes thing was added later, as was the jet-black skin. IE: they WERE the token black legion, like the White Scars were the token asian legion.
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Shockeh posted:No, I don't care about that, that's just a bit of 'whoops, this could look a bit racist' common sense. What I mean is, the people of Nocturne the place are genetically black skinned with red eyes. Vulkan does not have these genetics, he shouldn't be that colour. Wouldn't it look more racist if in 20 legions of 10s of thousands of soldiers all of them are white? Shockeh posted:Why does Vulkan have black skin/red eyes, when he's not from Nocturne. Why do any Primarchs have traits from the worlds they were put on when they were all test tube babies from the same dad?
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vigorous sodomy posted:Why do any Primarchs have traits from the worlds they were put on when they were all test tube babies from the same dad?
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Shockeh posted:No, I don't care about that, that's just a bit of 'whoops, this could look a bit racist' common sense. What I mean is, the people of Nocturne the place are genetically black skinned with red eyes. Vulkan does not have these genetics, he shouldn't be that colour. No, actually; Salamanders are black skinned with red eyes as a result of becoming Space Marines - an endemic mutation of their progenoid - baseline Nocturnites are whatever skin color they happen to be. Vulkan being coal black then makes sense in the context that the Salamanders are taking up his mutant traits, like most legions did with their respective primarchs.
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Was Henry Zou the guy who ripped off that veteran's memoirs, or am I misremembering?
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Yeah, that was Zou.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Yeah, that was Zou. Ah thanks, saw in today's email that they're doing an anthology of his "trilogy", and was trying to remember just why I associated his name with garbage. Surprised the offending material wasn't pulled or rewritten.
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Fried Chicken posted:Because your environment heavily influences your physical development and triggering sets of genes (epigenetics) And because they're not real physical entities as such  Wasn't it Fulgrim who was just a ball of light and took the form of a child of prophecy that he saw in the minds of the people who came to investigate his crash site?
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Immanentized posted:Was Henry Zou the guy who ripped off that veteran's memoirs, or am I misremembering? I've never heard about this, what did he do?
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Flesh & Iron p192:quote:"He had done it to deny the father a chance to see his children one last time. The men he lost in Lauzon and all the good soldiers killed under his command had not been given the chance to say goodbye to their loved ones...The last Baeder saw of the dying man...utterly despondent as he tried to find his children through the thickening smoke. Baeder had denied him the last chance to say goodbye. For some reason, Baeder felt a thrill of joy. It was something he had not wanted to become.They had made him this way." House To House p44: quote:"...but also to deny their father a chance to say good-bye. My brothers who died in the field got no such opportunity to say good-bye to those they loved, and I will afford none to this man... Their father, utterly despondent..as the white smoke filled the air around him... I robbed him of his final earthly joy. I delighted as I watched his life ebb away..What have I become?" Unit names, characters, events, all copied from the latter to the former. The cherry on top of some of the worst writing BL have ever published. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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Oh man, that's damning. I didn't know that. I actually liked that book in the pulpiest of pulpy ways; it was a fun enough throwaway read and not as bad as something like Siege of Castellax, which is one of the few books I've been unable to get past the 100 page mark in.
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Man, if we are going with GW blatently ripping something off, don't forget this:
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Fried Chicken posted:Man, if we are going with GW blatently ripping something off, don't forget this: I was looking at that picture thinking, "heh, they sure copied that pose, alright". Then I noticed: The marine has one hand gloved and the other bare. The gloved hand is about to get its fingers shot off because he's holding the bolter by the barrel for some reason (maybe why he's wearing the glove, I guess). He has the Croation flag on his right pauldron.
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Shroud posted:I was looking at that picture thinking, "heh, they sure copied that pose, alright".
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What I love is the fact that they bothered to copy that scene from Scarface...on the box for a game where each Marine is too tiny to make out any kind of detail at all!
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So how are the Warhammer: fantasy novels. I was at a used book store and i found a copy of the Blackhearts Omnibus, and its pretty good so far. any suggestions for more?
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So I heard from you guys that the Gaunt's Ghosts series picks up after the first three books. Without spoiling much, what changes exactly? Does Abnett just becomes an older and more seasoned writer? I am about a third of the way through the first book right now and, while it is by no means terrible, it also isn't the grab-you-by-the-pants-amazing-ride that I thought it would be!
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:So I heard from you guys that the Gaunt's Ghosts series picks up after the first three books. Without spoiling much, what changes exactly? Does Abnett just becomes an older and more seasoned writer? I am about a third of the way through the first book right now and, while it is by no means terrible, it also isn't the grab-you-by-the-pants-amazing-ride that I thought it would be!
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:So I heard from you guys that the Gaunt's Ghosts series picks up after the first three books. Without spoiling much, what changes exactly? Does Abnett just becomes an older and more seasoned writer? I am about a third of the way through the first book right now and, while it is by no means terrible, it also isn't the grab-you-by-the-pants-amazing-ride that I thought it would be! The third book is where is picks up a lot, and Abnett kind of hits his stride. Characthers start becoming much more interesting, it also starts the spiral of the ghosts being whittled down by losses and beloved characthers being killed off. 
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pengun101 posted:So how are the Warhammer: fantasy novels. I was at a used book store and i found a copy of the Blackhearts Omnibus, and its pretty good so far. any suggestions for more? I know a lot of people aren't fans of them but I've enjoyed the Malus Darkblade books. There isn't a single redeemable character in like six books...its all about Dark Elves, after all...but they're fun from a "how will the bastard get out of THIS one?" standpoint. The Felix & Gotrek books are well regarded, though I've only read the first couple myself. Hot Dog Day #82 posted:So I heard from you guys that the Gaunt's Ghosts series picks up after the first three books. Without spoiling much, what changes exactly? Does Abnett just becomes an older and more seasoned writer? I am about a third of the way through the first book right now and, while it is by no means terrible, it also isn't the grab-you-by-the-pants-amazing-ride that I thought it would be! The thing with the first couple of books is that they feel more like short story compilations than actual novels. It's like I'm reading Hammer's Slammers 40k or something. (I would totally read Hammer's Slammers 40k.) Necropolis, the third Gaunt book, is the first one to be a real novel. It's one long story, that of the Vervunhive campaign, and as such has a proper introduction, build up, climax, and denouement. New characters are introduced, and not everything is from a Ghost's point of view. It really works, and the series hooked me from that point on. e: clarity jng2058 fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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If you read Necropolis and don't like Gaunt's Ghosts, quit there, you're not going to like anything coming up. If you haven't read Necropolis yet, read it before you make up your mind. It's the best IG book out there, bar none.
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Khizan posted:If you read Necropolis and don't like Gaunt's Ghosts, quit there, you're not going to like anything coming up. If you haven't read Necropolis yet, read it before you make up your mind. It's the best IG book out there, bar none. Necropolis is actually LESS grim than Stalingrad.
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Thanks for the heads up! I will certainly give the first three books the benefit of the doubt, no worries there. Like I said before, I am only a third of the way through the first book but I can certainly see how apt the critique is that the novel feels like a collection of short stories (which I didn't think of until now). Very observant!
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Abnett also just plain becomes a better writer, at least technically, over the time period when he was writing those first few novels. You can see the same thing in the first Eisenhorn book or two.
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pengun101 posted:So how are the Warhammer: fantasy novels. I was at a used book store and i found a copy of the Blackhearts Omnibus, and its pretty good so far. any suggestions for more? JerryLee posted:Abnett also just plain becomes a better writer, at least technically, over the time period when he was writing those first few novels. You can see the same thing in the first Eisenhorn book or two. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Arquinsiel posted:Basically you need to care about the characters before their deaths mean anything to you. Also he finds his feet and basically decides that he's steering 40k fluff in his direction rather than just loosely tying into the main fluff. It turned out to be such an awesome direction that the core has followed him to a degree. Mkoll is pretty much the most  character ever written.
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Talons of Horus and Master of Mankind cant come out soon enough >.< You should all check out the warhammr thread in gbs its a fun place to bullshit about warhammer
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Waroduce posted:You should all check out the warhammr thread in gbs its a fun place to bullshit about warhammer hahahaha yeah I'll pass thanks
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jng2058 posted:The thing with the first couple of books is that they feel more like short story compilations than actual novels.
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How bad is mcneils ultramarine series
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Waroduce posted:How bad is mcneils ultramarine series I've only read the first three books. Nightbringer and Warriors of Ultramar are standard bolter porn books, they are sort of ok, not amazing but decent enough to scratch the itch. Dead Sky Black Sun is Battle for the Abyss level, read it at your own peril.
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My local bookstore just got Ahriman: Exile, The Malcharian Crusade : Angel of Fire, DeathWatch (i think i read), RavenWing, Death of Integrity, Death of Antagonis and Path of the Eldar as new books in the warham section. Anything worth picking up? E: also seventh retribution and priests of mars Waroduce fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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I wouldn't touch the Ultramarines series with someone else's lovely stick. They are everything that has ever ever been wrong with Ultramarines fluff.Angry Lobster posted:I've only read the first three books. Nightbringer and Warriors of Ultramar are standard bolter porn books, they are sort of ok, not amazing but decent enough to scratch the itch. Dead Sky Black Sun is Battle for the Abyss level, read it at your own peril. Is that the word-slurry with the Khorne train? Edit: Ahriman: Exile was pretty good.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Fantasy tends to be a lot less specific in its theme, so some of it can be pretty generic. Gotrek and Felix are not bad, as long as you don't mind pulpy stuff. The Mathias Thulmann: Witch Hunter series is good, though I haven't got around to reading the third book yet. Fell Cargo is an old Abnett book and is pretty good. If you enjoy Blood Bowl and bad puns, Matt Forbeck's BB series is ok for the first couple of books, but becomes a bit of a slog in the third book. yeah, that's what i am noticing, warhammer fantasy is feels like generic fantasy stuff, with some dark humor tossed in once and while.
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