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Stereotype posted:It is because it is "no drugs ever in your entire life" so that spliff of ditch weed you smoked when you were 17 disqualifies you to be in the FBI ever even when you are a desirable but obnoxiously straight edge computer espionage wiz at 34 you can get security clearance even if you've smoked in the past, it's the "no smoking anymore" thing that's tripping folks up. the security clearance process is really more about finding out if there's anything that can be used by a third party to to leverage/blackmail you once you have the clearance
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duTrieux. posted:you can get security clearance even if you've smoked in the past, it's the "no smoking anymore" thing that's tripping folks up. this is more accurate. it's also tied into what level of clearance you're getting. if you're getting NOFORN or Confidential, they probably care less about drug history than if you're getting Secret or Top Secret e: actually, my bad, you don't get NOFORN clearance, that's automatic by virtue of not being a foreign national. also my clearance was secret, not top secret, my bad again. it's been like six years since i worked at the yard
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Stereotype posted:It is because it is "no drugs ever in your entire life" so that spliff of ditch weed you smoked when you were 17 disqualifies you to be in the FBI ever even when you are a desirable but obnoxiously straight edge computer espionage wiz at 34 no it's not a dq unless you're borderline already
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Jun 5, 2014 02:28
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i've never gone through the clearance process but i did receive a questionnaire regarding a friend who did. it asked me to confirm some biographical information, asked some boiler-plate questions, and had a free-form section where they straight-up ask "is there any reason you can think of that we shouldn't give this dude clearance, speak now or forever hold your junk"
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Jun 5, 2014 02:31
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Proteus4994 posted:security clearance has a question asking if you've smoked pot in the past seven years, but there's nothing that says that's an automatic DQ or anything. i believe that's agency dependent. lying about doing drugs, even pot with an active security clearance is a terrible loving idea. one person decides to rat you out and bye bye no more clearances ever and the fbi has additional, stricter drug restrictions beyond what the normal ts requires
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Jun 5, 2014 02:37
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duTrieux. posted:i've never gone through the clearance process but i did receive a questionnaire regarding a friend who did. it asked me to confirm some biographical information, asked some boiler-plate questions, and had a free-form section where they straight-up ask "is there any reason you can think of that we shouldn't give this dude clearance, speak now or forever hold your junk" "there are no reasons comrade XYZ should not receive a security clearance as he has severed all links with the SVS after his boyfriend overdosed on heroin and he converted to Islam. we don't even see him at the anarchist society meeting anymore since he's too busy with the flying classes."
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Jun 5, 2014 02:41
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bergeoisie posted:lying about doing drugs, even pot with an active security clearance is a terrible loving idea a) Nobody rats out people for pot, especially in my job b) lol if you think any government agency gives two fucks about someone calling up and saying "oh poo poo this guy smoked weed 3 years ago!"
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Proteus4994 posted:a) Nobody rats out people for pot, especially in my job Applicant is 53 years old and employed as an Engineer by a defense contractor. For the past twenty years, he has deliberately falsified his security clearance applications and concealed his illegal drug use from the Government. Applicant has used marijuana while holding a security clearance from 1986 to 2010. Clearance is denied. CASE NO: 11-13948.h1 (pdf warning)
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bergeoisie posted:Applicant is 53 years old and employed as an Engineer by a defense contractor. For the past twenty years, he has deliberately falsified his security clearance applications and concealed his illegal drug use from the Government. Applicant has used marijuana while holding a security clearance from 1986 to 2010. Clearance is denied. CASE NO: 11-13948.h1 (pdf warning) oh look a thing happened once
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Jun 5, 2014 02:55
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bergeoisie posted:Applicant is 53 years old and employed as an Engineer by a defense contractor. For the past twenty years, he has deliberately falsified his security clearance applications and concealed his illegal drug use from the Government. Applicant has used marijuana while holding a security clearance from 1986 to 2010. Clearance is denied. CASE NO: 11-13948.h1 (pdf warning) it's not the pot, it's that he was actively lying about the pot
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Jun 5, 2014 03:09
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"Man tells government he does illegal drugs, not given security clearance because he cannot keep secrets"
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Jun 5, 2014 03:10
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lol @ potheads owning themselves
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Jun 5, 2014 03:12
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duTrieux. posted:it's not the pot, it's that he was actively lying about the pot yes, which is why i said that lying about doing drugs with a clearance is a terrible idea. and if your review comes up and you've smoked weed while you've been cleared, you probably aren't disclosing it on the ole sf 86. i mean, i have no idea what happens if you tick the "ive smoked pot in a scif" box but i bet it's not pleasant either.
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Jun 5, 2014 03:14
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give it, like 10 years and it will be a non-issue the fbi thing i think is the start
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Jun 5, 2014 03:24
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Proteus4994 posted:oh look a thing happened once very few things count as an immediate disqualification for secret/top secret clearances, but lying during your interview is one of them, even about pot. it's a really stupid thing to do if you're trying to get clearance.
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Jun 5, 2014 03:26
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Proteus4994 posted:a) Nobody rats out people for pot, especially in my job just ratted u out. too bad so sad.
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Jun 5, 2014 03:44
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someone post the source of the subtitle thx
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theadder posted:someone post the source of the subtitle thx Dren posted:A good book to read on Bitcoin
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Dren posted:just ratted u out. too bad so sad. clearance expired about 4 years ago, i'm ok with that
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Jun 5, 2014 03:49
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lol
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also what you guys don't get is: a) you can lie about smoking weed before your clearance as long as you don't do something retarded like put your best stoner buddy or your dealer as a personal reference. how in the gently caress are they going to find out? b) you can also smoke weed after you get your clearance because you already got your clearance so unless you get drug tested, again, how in the gently caress are they going to find out? i know a guy who got busted bringing weed into the shipyard to sell 3 days after 9/11. six months later he had his clearance back, got all of his backpay, and became a supervisor they really don't care. period.
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yeah smokin a lil dope on the weekend is not going to get your clearance revoked unless they're already itching for an excuse. even middlin serious drug use isn't an automatic dq. lying about it is the problem.
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Jun 5, 2014 03:56
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High-level clearances require detailed financial disclosures, including copies of your bank statements and investment accounts. So I don't see the Bitcoin infiltration happening.
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Jun 5, 2014 04:20
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"stupid enough to invest in bitcoin" should be enough to deny a clearance also to prevent employment
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Jun 5, 2014 04:28
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typing this post (with my hands)
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Jun 5, 2014 04:29
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clarence is a cool guy
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Boxturret posted:clarence is a cool guy clarence revoked due to bitcoin
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Jun 5, 2014 04:47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdLvd1p74yM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y
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I've never done drugs where can I get me one of those FBI jorbs
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FCKGW posted:I've never done drugs where can I get me one of those FBI jorbs 
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FCKGW posted:I've never done drugs where can I get me one of those FBI jorbs in the grim dark future all civilians smoke weed and the FBI cannot enact counter terrorism due to lack of skilled workers one man, FCKGW, goes toe to toe with the worlds most deadliest evil doers in a a breakneck summer cryptocypherhackerthriller to remember
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man I love the derails the bitcoin threads start (yes, even the grey one too, ThreePhase's electricity lessons using mining rigs as cautionary examples were pretty great)
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stoutfish posted:i honestly can't imagine keeping that thing in my house "you know that bitcoin this all these retards were harping on about a few years back? yeah, this clone of the protocol with a dog logo made a bigger impact"
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 does lie detectors during screenings. a guy i knew in college kept getting inconclusive measurements and finally they asked him if he was hiding anything. he confessed that he was into jailbait. he didn't get the job 
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yosposers know the worst people in college
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:
Pretty much. Any type of polygraph is mostly there to make sure they catch anything obvious. Most people poo poo themselves at the idea of doing a polygraph and don't know how they really work (or don't work, rather) so they fall for pretty simple tricks. The number one reason for getting denied a security clearance these days is having unsecured debt. You can have debt, even a lot of debt, but it isn't a problem if you're current on your payments. They're looking out for people so hopelessly in debt that they might possibly consider selling access to clear that debt out. The number two reason is lying during your investigation over random poo poo. No, they don't really care if you did drugs when you weren't on a clearance. But you had better check off 'yes, I did a drug' when the question asks you. Because if they find out you lied for reals, you're hosed. source: i had a clearance in the military and i am getting my clearance renewed right now as a civ
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do they still screen out gsm people?
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theflyingexecutive posted:do they still screen out gsm people? they never really did in the first place they do filter out people who have questionable habits, though okay: "I am gay and have sex with people" not okay "I am gay and I have random sex with people I have never met before" or "I am gay and I will do anything to keep that fact from people" government doesn't really care about what you do in your spare time so long as it's not something exploitable in the national security sense
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Vasudus posted:they never really did in the first place this is pretty wrong. in fact, it is all the way wrong.
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