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Pakled posted:Some time ago, I came across this collection of anti-Catholic KKK political cartoons from the 1920s. It's pretty, uh, interesting. IIRC it was a fight over the legality of private Catholic schools and Jesuit colleges. Protestants wanted them made illegal and replaced with public schools which would teach the correct biblical religion as opposed to the evil papist Catholicism edit: here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_States#Parochial_schools_under_attack quote:Catholic schools began in the United States as a matter of religious and ethnic pride and as a way to insulate Catholic youth from the influence of Protestant teachers and contact with non-Catholic students.[18] icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Nessus posted:The Catholics also place much less emphasis on the Bible - not that they say it isn't holy or true so much as that they don't practically worship it in a single English translation the way a lot of the wacky American protestant groups do. I briefly dated a crazy Baptist girl (I didn't realize she was super into religion when we met mind you) whose church exclusively used the King James Bible. Which by my count is: an English translation of a Latin translation, of a Greek translation, of a largely Aramaic translation of a compilation of stories written across 3,000 years in many different local dialects where often one "book" might compile the same story written 1,000 years apart (see flood chapters). I probably missed a few steps but Goddamn.
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Jun 9, 2014 21:36
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The NT is mostly Greek so that's only if you're talking about the OT.
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Jun 9, 2014 21:41
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Pook Good Mook posted:Which by my count is: an English translation of a Latin translation, of a Greek translation, of a largely Aramaic translation of a compilation of stories written across 3,000 years in many different local dialects where often one "book" might compile the same story written 1,000 years apart (see flood chapters). Don't forget that the base text is a revision of a revision of the incomplete Tyndale bible!
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Jun 9, 2014 21:52
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 KKK is driving out intolerance, among other things!
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Jun 9, 2014 22:17
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computer parts posted:The NT is mostly Greek so that's only if you're talking about the OT. I was. Which incidentally is basically all nutbag Baptists can talk about too.
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Jun 9, 2014 22:19
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icantfindaname posted:IIRC it was a fight over the legality of private Catholic schools and Jesuit colleges. Protestants wanted them made illegal and replaced with public schools which would teach the correct biblical religion as opposed to the evil papist Catholicism Lets be honest, those amendments may have been founded in bigotry, but they really would be helpful now.
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Jun 10, 2014 00:21
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Debate Disco > Politically-loaded religious schisms
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Jun 10, 2014 00:23
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Stefu posted:
I'm confused about this image. Is St. Padraig driving off the snakes of Catholicism, or are the Klansmen driving him off alongside the snakes?
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Jun 10, 2014 00:29
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Stefu posted:
One of those snakes is labeled "Temporal Power". Did the Catholics have time manipulation magicks?
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Jun 10, 2014 01:06
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Crowsbeak posted:Lets be honest, those amendments may have been founded in bigotry, but they really would be helpful now. They really wouldn't since they're specifically about schools. Also 38 states currently have the laws on the books and it hasn't changed much.
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Jun 10, 2014 01:14
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Ditocoaf posted:One of those snakes is labeled "Temporal Power". Did the Catholics have time manipulation magicks? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_power
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Jun 10, 2014 01:27
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computer parts posted:They really wouldn't since they're specifically about schools. Actually Nevada has such an amendment, which has been used to keep public money from going to religious charter schools. Unfortunately, I guess many states don't interpret theirs that way.
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Jun 10, 2014 01:28
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Stefu posted:
Pretty great that the whole "[insert minority here] is the REAL intolerant ones!" thing was already in use in the 1920's
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Jun 10, 2014 07:44
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Stefu posted:
Weren't the Irish still considered non-white back then, along with everybody that weren't Anglo-Saxon or Germanic?
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Jun 10, 2014 07:56
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Disco Infiva posted:Weren't the Irish still considered non-white back then, along with everybody that weren't Anglo-Saxon or Germanic? In nearly 1930? I mean I guess among old old old school conservatives. Given the subject matter, I'd say it's more anti-papist than the Irish are not white. By that point they'd been in the country for a few generations and while I wouldn't want my daughter dating one, there were clearly some good ones (sentiment in context).
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Jun 10, 2014 08:09
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Now was any of that anti-Irish bigotry ever directed to the more predominantly Presbyterian Scotch-Irish? e: I guess it could be motivated by nativist sentiments? Frostwerks fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 08:12
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I thought the Scotch-Irish were supposed to be descendants of the Anglo-Scot colonists from the Ulster plantation era, i was always under the impression they were ethnically distinct from the native Irish.
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Jun 10, 2014 09:00
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They were, but bigots aren't the loving brightest bunch.
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Jun 10, 2014 09:23
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Nessus posted:The Catholics also place much less emphasis on the Bible - not that they say it isn't holy or true so much as that they don't practically worship it in a single English translation the way a lot of the wacky American protestant groups do. What I find most baffling is that they still read it so selectively. There you have people that say only the bible is valid and then they ignore various things. Like the bible says faith alone is not enough to get into heaven but apparently good deeds are too stressful and papist? The bible even has passages referring to purgatory in all but name that Protestants deny. Still, I find the greatest irony here in the fact they use(d) the Catholic Latin bible as base for their translations.
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Jun 10, 2014 10:29
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computer parts posted:They really wouldn't since they're specifically about schools. I'm thinking about Louisiana and its school system right now. Seriously we could stop one part of the charter school movement fraud that way.
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Jun 10, 2014 11:40
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Frostwerks posted:They were, but bigots aren't the loving brightest bunch. The Scotch-Irish were some of the first immigrants to what would become the united states and most protestant-Irish immigration to America basically dried up by 1845. They were generally committed protestants who had been in America for centuries so they tended to be members of the KKK rather than victims of it (in fact the very moniker 'Scotch-Irish' was only used after major Catholic Irish immigration after the great famine, the Scotch-Irish were horrified that people would yolk them together with the new immigrants and as such emphasized their Scottish connections, which were admittedly very deep, to distinguish themselves). I guess you could say that condescension towards 'White trash' often counted as prejudice towards them. Disco Infiva posted:Weren't the Irish still considered non-white back then, along with everybody that weren't Anglo-Saxon or Germanic? Definitely not by 1920 except among the most backward, intransigent ultra protestants. Which is important because a lot of early prejudice against the Irish was more directed at their religion rather than their ethnic background. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 13:49
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as a norfolker, i'm not sure how i feel about this
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Pakled posted:
Whereas some Protestants like to criticize Catholicism for worshiping the Popes and Saints, some Catholics accuse protestant groups of Biblical idolatry. Scripture is not ultimate reality but a sign that points to ultimate reality. It is not infallible and should not be studied at the exclusion of other aspects of the faith, like Tradition. By elevating the Bible to an unquestionable status, Protestants are unintentionally replacing God with the Bible. There are some Catholic scholars that go further by saying that the Bible is not even necessary to be Christian. The early Christian communities obviously had no scripture. Until the printing press the Bible was not accessible to anyone except the most educated and the most wealthy so Christian communities relied on oral tradition to keep the faith. Provinces and diocese of the Catholic Church in the United States. Each colour represents an ecclesiastic province, each shape is a diocese.  Diocese designated by the Church to be "Mission Diocese" requiring financial or institutional aid. These are generally communities where there is severe economic hardship or limited institutional presence (i.e. there are no ordained leaders, Catholic schools or religious buildings).  EDIT: Just noticed how the diocese borders for Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia line up with that ancient shoreline that appears so frequently on political maps. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Haha, I can just imagine some starry-eyed just ordained priest getting sent into some dirt-poor hellhole where half of the congregation only speaks Spanish and the other half is addicted to meth. Though maybe that's exactly what a starry-eyed priest would be looking for, I don't know.
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QuoProQuid posted:Diocese designated by the Church to be "Mission Diocese" requiring financial or institutional aid. These are generally communities where there is severe economic hardship or limited institutional presence (i.e. there are no ordained leaders, Catholic schools or religious buildings). Interesting, I went to Catholic elementary and middle schools for years what is apparently one of the few Dioceses in the South that has Catholic schools, and I sorta assumed Catholic schools were everywhere. I'm not quite so sure race is the reason those Dioceses in the South have financial hardship, since very few Catholics are African-American to begin with. Seems more like it's just rural areas that are more difficult to minister to, perhaps because the population is more spread out.
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QuoProQuid posted:Diocese designated by the Church to be "Mission Diocese" requiring financial or institutional aid. These are generally communities where there is severe economic hardship or limited institutional presence (i.e. there are no ordained leaders, Catholic schools or religious buildings). Hmmm I wonder just why the Stockton Diocese needs financial help, my parents sure seem to say that bishop Blair is always begging for money. Oh yeah, that's why.
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Pakled posted:Interesting, I went to Catholic elementary and middle schools for years what is apparently one of the few Dioceses in the South that has Catholic schools, and I sorta assumed Catholic schools were everywhere. Plenty of those areas have catholic schools. I know for a fact the Boise one does, and the Santa Rosa one probably does too.
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I went to the Catholic Extension website to double check. Here's how a "Mission Diocese" is defined in the institution's own words:FAQ and Policies posted:A mission diocese is a place where the Catholic Church is emerging, and even thriving, but the financial resources are scarce. A mission diocese is often limited in terms of infrastructure, Catholic educational institutions, professional opportunities, and philanthropic opportunities. So some areas are designated as mission communities just because they are extremely rural. I was hoping there would be a specific breakdown on why certain areas were selected but it doesn't look like they publish that information. My grandparents used to have a calendar with information on the Mission Diocese and it only ever discussed economic hardship or limited institutional presence as factors determining which areas were chosen.
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I wonder if people in Latin America are forming Catholic Leagues to stop the Protestant menace now that so many people there have been converting to various obscure Protestant denominations.
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Jun 10, 2014 19:19
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QuoProQuid posted:Provinces and diocese of the Catholic Church in the United States. Each colour represents an ecclesiastic province, each shape is a diocese. I'm not a christian but man I love the Catholic church because they have great heraldry: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coats_of_arms_of_dioceses_of_the_United_States ex: Coat of Arms of the Diocese of Evansville  Crescent because evansville is on a crescent in the river, wall because of the city built on a bluff/the levee that protects the city, water for the ohio river. Clean, pretty, easy to figure out. Seal of the City of Evansville  Scales.
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Peanut President posted:I'm not a christian but man I love the Catholic church because they have great heraldry: American heraldry and vexillology is awful compared to Europe. About half of the state flags are a samey-looking white or yellow state seal in front of blue. My state had this abomination for a few years a while back:  It was changed from a design that was mostly the Confederate flag, but it's still awful. There's too much text, there are flags inside of flags, it has that generic "state seal in front of blue field" design, and it still has the Confederate flag. Luckily they've since changed to a design that's neither Confederate nor designed by committee.
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Phlegmish posted:I wonder if people in Latin America are forming Catholic Leagues to stop the Protestant menace now that so many people there have been converting to various obscure Protestant denominations. I hope so because a lot of those Protestant denominations are even more intolerant and backwards than the Catholic Church.
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Jun 10, 2014 20:06
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Badger of Basra posted:I hope so because a lot of those Protestant denominations are even more intolerant and backwards than the Catholic Church. Reminder the Protestant reformation happened because they thought the Catholic church had become too liberal. The Protestants are the zealots trying to restore the faith!
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Jun 10, 2014 20:10
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Pakled posted:Luckily they've since changed to a design that's neither Confederate  It's based on the "stars and bars" confederate flag.
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Riso posted:What I find most baffling is that they still read it so selectively. There you have people that say only the bible is valid and then they ignore various things. Like the bible says faith alone is not enough to get into heaven but apparently good deeds are too stressful and papist? The bible even has passages referring to purgatory in all but name that Protestants deny.
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Pakled posted:American heraldry and vexillology is awful compared to Europe. About half of the state flags are a samey-looking white or yellow state seal in front of blue. My state had this abomination for a few years a while back: Hahah yeah Georgia's flag is actually the confederate flag it just doesn't have the battle flag/rebel flag/KKK flag on it.  Confederate flag^  Georgia flags^
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Riso posted:Reminder the Protestant reformation happened because they thought the Catholic church had become too liberal. The Protestants are the zealots trying to restore the faith! Well, that and the combination of vernacular translations plus Gutenberg's printing press meaning that people could and did interpret the Bible for themselves, the sale of indulgences incensed many, including Mr. Luther, and the opulence of the Renaissance Popes-- reminder that a Borgia was Pope just 14 years prior to the nailing of the 95 theses. Julius II (who died 4 years prior) plunged Italy into war and spent vast sums on beautifying Rome, which I suppose was nice for a Roman but not very endearing to a German. Heck, at the very time Luther was writing his theses, Pope Leo X was busy using Church money to fund a nepotistic war to seize the Duchy of Urbino for his nephew.
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I do enjoy the way these fanatics fixate on that particular version of the bible. Do they know that King James VI was gay?
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Peanut President posted:Hahah yeah Georgia's flag is actually the confederate flag it just doesn't have the battle flag/rebel flag/KKK flag on it. Oh dammit, I knew that was the CSA's flag but I never made the connection to Georgia's flag because it's not as iconic as the battle flag. 
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