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Lord Twisted posted:After oby, the show watchers are gonna see quentyns horrible death coming if they get attached to him. Seems to similar. Likable dornishman who dies around episode 8-9 It's going to be like killing off Nikki and Paulo in Lost who seemed to be inserted into the show to fill time. People are going to be cheering.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:More like "survive an incredible hostage situation and not lose your head". Sansa can't run around doing whatever she wants 'cause she'll die if that's the case. Her chapters are more there to provide court intrigue and politics. Though you could say Tyrion does that as well. I agree with this fully. Sansa put up with a lot and at least you were waiting for her to stick a knife into someone. It never happened though because Sansa knew it was pointless because it would lead to her death and the delight of Cersei. And beside she is in the books all of 15 or 16? Yeah I hated Sansa at first too but once we hit late Storm and Dance she was, and still is, one of my more favorite characters due to her growth as a person. Petyr might just give her the tools she needs to become a great queen and get revenge her own way. If you expected Sansa to go Rambo on the court I don't honestly know what to tell you.
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Hunky Joe posted:I agree with this fully. Sansa put up with a lot and at least you were waiting for her to stick a knife into someone. It never happened though because Sansa knew it was pointless because it would lead to her death and the delight of Cersei. And beside she is in the books all of 15 or 16? I...don't think anyone does. He was responding to me, but I was only describing her narrative function, not criticizing her actions. I didn't hate her at any point.
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Jeffrey posted:I...don't think anyone does. He was responding to me, but I was only describing her narrative function, not criticizing her actions. I didn't hate her at any point. She was just a soft person who couldn't really think interestingly and was still a great POV character due to her circumstances. The problem with Quentyn is that he's in Essos where fun goes to poo poo in a field.
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TK-42-1 posted:She was just a soft person who couldn't really think interestingly and was still a great POV character due to her circumstances. Sansa's thought process getting more sophisticated is one of the best parts of the story. I love it.
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kaworu posted:Yeah, Bran is learning how to warg into weirwoods, which is really freaking cool and exactly what greenseers were always purported to do. Even more to the point, ever since Tolkien and the ents, trees and their like have basically been considered extremely wise and ancient and powerful. I always loved the concept of the weirwood and the tree itself as a place/object of worship, with the eerie faces carved into them and the eyes weeping sap. Utterly fantastic imagery. If the "Bran learns to fly" scene hadn't been literally the most disappointing passage in the entirety of the series, you might have a point here, but considering the pathetically lazy way in which that was written, you're being far too optimistic. Your imagination of how good it's going to be doesn't square with how bad it already is. Hunky Joe posted:I agree with this fully. Sansa put up with a lot and at least you were waiting for her to stick a knife into someone. It never happened though because Sansa knew it was pointless because it would lead to her death and the delight of Cersei. And beside she is in the books all of 15 or 16? This is GRRM we're talking about. She was 11 or 12.
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > The Book Barn > ASoIaF: Your imagination of how good it's going to be doesn't square with how bad it already is.
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Cornwind Evil posted:If you dig and twist, Quentyn DOES have aspects of interest about him. He's a further examination of the toxic nature of medieval hegemony that GRRM has been attacking the whole series, because it gets romanticized in so many other fantasy novels: Quentyn gets sent on his mission because he's the firstborn son and there's been a pact signed, and even a supposedly brilliant man like Doran can't see that this is not something that holds power in and of itself, but only has as much power as people perceive it does, ignoring all the other issues like Quentyn's lack of attractiveness (though funnily, official art doesn't really depict him as such, which suggests the artist missed the point) and anything resembling charisma or a personality, which again means his mission is doomed to failure. Of course, the whole point of a story is to entertain, and Quentyn's 'interesting aspects' ensure he doesn't. Quentyn not being a POV and just being a little side character found dead in the dragon pit would've been funny but he works as a POV for the reasons you listed for sure. I think GRRM very much intends for Doran and Quentyn to be idiots because for the most part, all of the other schemers do quite well for themselves, but the Martells can be used an example of it not working. Plus his accidental release of the dragons will cause Brown Ben Plumm to re-enlist with Dany's side as the fighting starts plus will have them out in the open for when Victarion pulls up and toots his horn. Seems like a big deal imo.
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Cersei is quite the schemer and her poo poo is most def not working at the moment. Edit: I hope Victarions horn really does work and nets him one dragon and forces Kelly C's hand (into his pants) in order to keep the set complete. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jun 13, 2014 |
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Quentyn would have been fine as a POV if the rest of the book had more momentum for the rest of the plot. Quentyn is on a futile journey, and that's the point of his arc. It just sucks that there is not more forward momentum for our other characters to compare it to. Instead, Quentyn becomes a microcosm of the pointlessness of Dance.
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mkay0 posted:Quentyn becomes a microcosm of the pointlessness of Dance. Goddamn that is so true. meandering journey, new side characters no one gives a poo poo about, lots of Mereen poo poo no one cares about, seemingly builds to a climax where like 1 neat thing happens and teases a much much cooler situation to (never) come.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Cersei is quite the schemer and her poo poo is most def not working at the moment. Victarion is an idiot who thinks the horn must be "claimed with blood" means he needs to rub his blood on it and not that you need to kill the owner to claim it. His thralls will die and Euron will get a dragon.
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24-7 Urkel Cosplay posted:Victarion is an idiot who thinks the horn must be "claimed with blood" means he needs to rub his blood on it and not that you need to kill the owner to claim it. His thralls will die and Euron will get a dragon. Ooo nice I forgot about all the very legalese verbage in all of GRRM's prophecies. The true God in this world must be a criminal defense lawyer.
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I don't get it: if the horn binds a dragon to you, but the horn also makes you die, how does it make your master get a dragon? What if the horn blower is a greedy idiot who thinks "gently caress the greyjoys, I want the dragons"--does that make the dragons bound to the dead horn blower and no one else? How does the horn know who is your serjent and who you're leal to?
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That seems to be the problem 24/7 urkel found a solution to.
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visceril posted:I don't get it: if the horn binds a dragon to you, but the horn also makes you die, how does it make your master get a dragon? In Dance Vicatarion asks the red priest Moqorro about this, and his response is that the dragon is bound to the owner of the horn, not the one who blows it, and the horn is bound by blood. So maybe you spill your own blood on/in the horn to claim ownership? The sound of the horn draws the dragon but the scent of the blood signifies its master?
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TK-42-1 posted:The problem with Quentyn is that he's in Essos where fun goes to poo poo in a field. Dany was never fun.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Dany was never fun. She ruled in ASoS
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mkay0 posted:She ruled in ASoS I was so excited for her back then 
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Kylaer posted:This is GRRM we're talking about. She was 11 or 12. Well I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. What little there is.
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p.crestmont posted:In Dance Vicatarion asks the red priest Moqorro about this, and his response is that the dragon is bound to the owner of the horn, not the one who blows it, and the horn is bound by blood. Oh now 24-7 Urkel Cosplay posted:Victarion is an idiot who thinks the horn must be "claimed with blood" means he needs to rub his blood on it and not that you need to kill the owner to claim it. His thralls will die and Euron will get a dragon. Makes sense--hahaha this is totally what happens: an Ironborn not realizing he has to pay the Iron Price for the horn
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Franz von Dada posted:I was so excited for her back then I was so excited for everyone after reading ASOS but now Im fairly confident it will remain the series high-point until the end.
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24-7 Urkel Cosplay posted:Victarion is an idiot who thinks the horn must be "claimed with blood" means he needs to rub his blood on it and not that you need to kill the owner to claim it. His thralls will die and Euron will get a dragon. I somehow missed this, but yeah this is definitely what's going to happen.
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Sansa is going to win the game of thrones. :lemoncake: Team Sansa :lemoncake:
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Franz von Dada posted:Sansa is going to win the game of thrones. QUEEN IN THE NORTH
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I was going to make a joke about how by the time we get to the end of this series, Sophie will be playing a real-scale mockup of the Wall, but then I looked it up. She's only 5'9". The second-tallest woman on this show is only 5'9". Jesus. 
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mkay0 posted:QUEEN IN THE NORTH Then Arya can kill her, Bran can become the new Night's King, Jon can sit the Iron Throne with Dany, and Rickon can take over the north. A place for everything and everything in its place.
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This is glorious: http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/when-i-started-writing-game-thrones-i-didnt-know-w-292
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I was going to make a joke about how by the time we get to the end of this series, Sophie will be playing a real-scale mockup of the Wall, but then I looked it up. She's only 5'9". That's pretty tall for a girl, though. That's the average male height in the US.
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How often is the height on the Google search updated anyway? If that's her actual present-day height, I don't know if they should have her in such high shoes on set if Aidan Gillen is 5'10". 
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mastajake posted:This is glorious: This is onion levels of "I'm not sure if this is real".
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Lycus posted:How often is the height on the Google search updated anyway? The kiss scene was priceless because I got the sense that yeah she's a child and that's nasty but it looked like she could have made a fist and driven him into the snow with it. Actually I guess it makes it double nasty that she didn't hit him because, well I'm gonna stop thinking about this.
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Lycus posted:How often is the height on the Google search updated anyway? Male actors constantly round their height up, his height is hardly definitively 5'10"
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Sophie Turner just rounded her height down from 6'0.1" to 5'9".
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Aurain posted:This is onion levels of "I'm not sure if this is real". It's run by The Onion.
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Lycus posted:How often is the height on the Google search updated anyway? his head is still significantly bigger
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mastajake posted:This is glorious: lol
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with the way the show is making totally explicit things the books hinted at, like oberyn's bisexuality, i won't be surprised when the novice gravedigger pulls his hood aside and winks at the camera
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visceril posted:I don't get it: if the horn binds a dragon to you, but the horn also makes you die, how does it make your master get a dragon? Well, the only person who has so far blown the horn got his insides charred. Daenerys (and possibly past Valyrians) are resistant/immune to fire. Perhaps they, and only they, can blow the horns and live.
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