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Aston posted:Man, I don't know about your cool rap, but then again I don't think Jon Snow would either. This is the best I got. 
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The only explanation for the Pink Letter that makes sense is that Stannis is purposefully faking his death in collusion with Manderly. That's why he tells that knight to keep pursuing mercenaries even if he hears that Stannis has died. Likely they smash the Frey force, give Manderly the magic sword and convince Ramsay he's won for the minute, before pulling off a Trojan horse maneuver. Or he's dead. Which would be a bummer.
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At first I was thinking how could they not do Informer by Snow but really that was just fantastic, as was the previous one.
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Mike N Eich posted:The only explanation for the Pink Letter that makes sense is that Stannis is purposefully faking his death in collusion with Manderly. That's why he tells that knight to keep pursuing mercenaries even if he hears that Stannis has died. Likely they smash the Frey force, give Manderly the magic sword and convince Ramsay he's won for the minute, before pulling off a Trojan horse maneuver. That is most likely, as really I am not sure how much longer GRRM can stretch out the Bolton story. At least if Stannis wins their can be trying to gain the throne shenanigans. The Boltons have peaked. Sansa's story would just be the exact same thing Stannis was doing. Plus it is an endpoint for the "North Remembers" thing they have going on. Blueballing us is just dumb. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Jul 1, 2014 22:14
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Mike N Eich posted:The only explanation for the Pink Letter that makes sense is that Stannis is purposefully faking his death in collusion with Manderly. That's why he tells that knight to keep pursuing mercenaries even if he hears that Stannis has died. Likely they smash the Frey force, give Manderly the magic sword and convince Ramsay he's won for the minute, before pulling off a Trojan horse maneuver. Wow, that's probably it right there. He probably sends the ravens back to Winterfell saying he's dead and goes Metal Gear Stannis.
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Jul 1, 2014 22:34
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Metal Gear Stannis. Would
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Wow, that's probably it right there. He probably sends the ravens back to Winterfell saying he's dead and goes Metal Gear Stannis. how does Stannis get anything from telling Jon about this though? Unless he expects and wants Jon to go break his fuckin oath and also thinks that his plan is going to take a long rear end time so Jon can get there. Either way Stannis would not be happy about Jon breaking his oaths.
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Jul 1, 2014 22:37
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Great now I'm imagining the MGS comm screens with Stannis and Colonel Davos and Merylsandre.
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Jul 1, 2014 22:41
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visceril posted:Would  "Whom's footprints are these?"*QTE button mash sequence to choke down the need to correct the gaurd*
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Jul 1, 2014 22:45
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CharlestheHammer posted:No I mean that someone else (Mace is usually who they pick) wrote it. Like I said forgery not false.
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Jul 1, 2014 22:50
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jsoh posted:how does Stannis get anything from telling Jon about this though? Unless he expects and wants Jon to go break his fuckin oath and also thinks that his plan is going to take a long rear end time so Jon can get there. Either way Stannis would not be happy about Jon breaking his oaths. He doesn't, Ramsay is still the one who wrote the pink letter. The sequence goes... Winterfell force marches out to fight Stannis and are defeated, Manderly turns cloak at some point Stannis takes their Ravens and send a letter back to Winterfell saying "Stannis is dead", gives Manderly Lightbringer Manderly and Co return to Winterfell with some excuse as to why only Manderly/Stannis loyal peeps have returned Ramsay feels emboldened by his "win" and sends the Pink Letter. By all accounts Stannis just plain doesn't care about Jon after he refused his offer to become lord of Winterfell.
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Jul 1, 2014 22:53
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Ramsay deffo didnt write the letter. He hates the word bastard and his writing is noted for being really lovely and there is no flesh in the envelope, also there is no way newly Ramsay Bolton would have not sealed the letter with his sigil
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jsoh posted:Ramsay deffo didnt write the letter. He hates the word bastard and his writing is noted for being really lovely and there is no flesh in the envelope, also there is no way newly Ramsay Bolton would have not sealed the letter with his sigil But why would anyone else give a poo poo about Reek and fake-Arya? I would say the only other candidate I would buy would be Mance in some sort of collusion but that seems far fetched.
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CharlestheHammer posted:The Boltons have peaked. I think Ramsay has, but I'll never get tired of Roose. He's such an awesomely creepy motherfucker.
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Majorian posted:I think Ramsay has, but I'll never get tired of Roose. He's such an awesomely creepy motherfucker. Well I meant there isn't much more they can do, getting the North is about as far as they can go. Roose is interesting, Ramasy was too, but after the stuff during the wedding his gimmick has just run thin.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well I meant there isn't much more they can do, getting the North is about as far as they can go. Roose is interesting, Ramasy was too, but after the stuff during the wedding his gimmick has just run thin. Ah, right. Yes, it seems unlikely that they will accomplish much more at this point. e: jsoh posted:Ramsay deffo didnt write the letter. He hates the word bastard He did before he was legitimized, but now that he's a Bolton and not a Snow, perhaps he's taken a liking to it? Majorian fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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jsoh posted:Ramsay deffo didnt write the letter. He hates the word bastard and his writing is noted for being really lovely and there is no flesh in the envelope, also there is no way newly Ramsay Bolton would have not sealed the letter with his sigil I've never found this all that convincing. Sure the letter doesn't have all the hallmarks of a Ramsay letter but I just don't think Ramsay has a standardized version of the way he writes letters. I chock up the lack of a seal on the letter to Ramsay being in a rush to send it and doesn't really care about the pleasantries. He calls Jon "bastard" a bunch because he wants to lord over his legitimized status to someone he knows would feel the sting of being a bastard. I can't imagine anyone else can really capture his "voice" except really Theon, and there's no motive for Theon to write the letter. Maybe someone else wrote it? I dunno and we'll never find out (because the books never coming out, lol)
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I could see Mance writing the letter to trick Jon into coming south with an army of wildlings, at which point Mance dramatically reveals himself and takes the wildling army from Jon.
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Jul 1, 2014 23:58
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keiran_helcyan posted:I could see Mance writing the letter to trick Jon into coming south with an army of wildlings, at which point Mance dramatically reveals himself and takes the wildling army from Jon.
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Seems like kind of a gamble to assume Jon would come down at all, much less break his oath and march on Winterfell with a bunch of wildlings. And especially weird seeing as the stabbings would seem to put the kibosh on that scenario before it's even revealed.
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It's legit to doubt that he could predict Jon's actions that well, but is it really a gamble? What would Mance have to lose by doing it?
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Lycus posted:It's legit to doubt that he could predict Jon's actions that well, but is it really a gamble? What would Mance have to lose by doing it? Depends entirely on his actual situation at Winterfell which is a complete unknown I think. Interesting stuff I hadn't thought about before though. I'm jazzed for the HBO show to catch up so I have a decent excuse to re-read this hulking masses of wonderful crap.
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Yeah the letter seems designed to taunt Jon and provoke the wildlings into taking action (and that's because it is). The talk of Mance being alive, the overuse of the word bastard, the threats against children, the revelry in the torture of the spearwives - all deliberately provocative. If you consider Mance's current situation, probably holed up in the crypts below Winterfell while the castle is in lockdown and a blizzard is preventing any escape, his current options are: wait until Ramsay finds him and kills him painfully, wait until Stannis finds him and kills him painfully, or hope Jon takes the bait. Jon is literally the last person in the North with any semblance of power who wouldn't immediately kill him on sight, especially since (as far as Mance is aware) he just rescued Arya. Also, disregarding all other evidence, we know the letter was written by a wildling because only wildlings use the term "black crows" to refer to brothers of the Night's Watch. "Crows" is common vernacular, but in five books "black crows" has been used eleven times exclusively by wildlings (and Jon, in one instance where he is talking to wildlings and mocks their term).
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Alliser Thorne wrote that letter you dorks.
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Ever since I discovered whispersync on Kindle, I've been loving listening to audiobooks. ...but MAN, why does every drat character have to sound like the drat Lucky Charms leprechaun?
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Well, I have *really* been trying to take my time with ADWD. Despite having been well-spoiled going into this one book (which I really didn't much care about) I have been taking my time over the last three months and just reading a chapter here and there between other books, given that I know it'll be a long wait for the next one yet still. But unfortunately I'm like 750 pages in now and almost finished so far. Some thoughts: I was shocked that Tyrion wasn't asking more people "Where do whores go?" I actually really liked that motif, and the concept of him posing it as an incredibly obvious yet unanswerable question. I actually sort of connected with it, because it nicely represented this disconnected nihilism that pervades much of his early chapters, and how shell-shocked he is both over his actions and over what an awful joke his life is, with the punchline finally being revealed when Jamie told him the truth about Tysha. Of course he's going around asking "Where do whores go?" He *wants* to find Tysha, and knows it's utterly irrational and foolish and impossible, but he cannot help but go through the tired motions. Also, he likes provoking people and asking foolishly obvious questions, something he has done from the dtart. I've also been extremely pleasantly surprised at how by and large excellent all the chapters taking place in The North have been - the Theon/Reek chapters in particular being some of the best stuff Martin's written since ASoS. Those chapters really have a lot going for them - not only is Theon a truly fascinating and complex character to be in the head of (as far as this series goes) but he's also witnessing some really fascinating plot developments. His chapters also have Ramsay, arguably more purely terrifying/horrifying and psychopathic than Joffrey. The Davos chapters were similarly a lot of fun, not only because Davos owns but because Wyman Manderly also turns out to be one of the book's secret heroes - a plot point I wasn't spoiled on, happily. Also that was totally Frey Pie. Jon Snow's chapters have been good so far, too. I also wanted to add that I officially am on team "Bisexual Jon Snow". He talks about how pretty/lovely Satin is at least as much as Tyrion inquires about the whereabouts of whores, and then takes him on as "personal steward". Right Jon, wink wink nudge nudge. All of Castle Black knows what's going on there.
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I am livid. gently caress you for posting zenpencils. I hope you meet GRRM at a convention, you son of a bitch. I hope you meet GRRM. 
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In It For The Tank posted:If you consider Mance's current situation, probably holed up in the crypts below Winterfell while the castle is in lockdown and a blizzard is preventing any escape, his current options are: wait until Ramsay finds him and kills him painfully, wait until Stannis finds him and kills him painfully, or hope Jon takes the bait. Jon is literally the last person in the North with any semblance of power who wouldn't immediately kill him on sight, especially since (as far as Mance is aware) he just rescued Arya. Witerfell is colossal. And Mance is very experienced when it comes to sneaking around. I can't see him cowering in one place when he's always bragging about being able to climb around so easily. He was looking for the Horn of Joramun that was probably taken by the Starks and that would explain the spearwives interests in finding the location of the crypts. Parts 8 and 9 here are really interesting: http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Horn.html
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I am livid. gently caress you for posting zenpencils.  Holy poo poo! I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Not anyone!
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So Jon is a white walker and probably similar to that Black Ranger that Bran met right? This is based off what I remember from reading the entire series in a few days when I was recovering from appendicitis, so it EDIT: or maybe melisandre did that mance rayder poo poo again and it wasn't really jon. gently caress I don't know I'm really tired right now.
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GreyPowerVan posted:So Jon is a white walker and probably similar to that Black Ranger that Bran met right? Nah, Jon got stabbed by mutineers in the Watch, but he's probably not dead because that would be too stupid a move for even GRRM to make.
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Majorian posted:Nah, Jon got stabbed by mutineers in the Watch, but he's probably not dead because that would be too stupid a move for even GRRM to make. See, I need to reread that section. I thought he was 100% dead (or an illusion like mance/rattleshirt). I probably just mistook it. EDIT: Looking back, weren't most of his chapters titled LORD COMMANDER, yet that is is simply titled JON SNOW. Makes you think. While we're on it... Jon is Rhaegar/Lyanna's son, right? That's what I'm gathering. SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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The chapter ends with him losing consciousness, and we don't get any Wall POVs afterward to tell us his status.
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Rosscifer posted:Witerfell is colossal. And Mance is very experienced when it comes to sneaking around. I can't see him cowering in one place when he's always bragging about being able to climb around so easily. He was looking for the Horn of Joramun that was probably taken by the Starks and that would explain the spearwives interests in finding the location of the crypts. Parts 8 and 9 here are really interesting: http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Horn.html He would be cowering in one place now that he's been exposed by association as being involved in the plot to steal Arya. The spearwives were found out, so he's in deep poo poo. The castle would be in lockdown and everyone would be looking for him, and the blizzard would inhibit his ability to climb or escape the walls (not to mention the army outside the walls). The crypts are the only place where he might be safe since only Barbrey Dustin and Big Walder know where the entrance is, and the true depths of the crypts have never been explored. Plus, hiding in the crypts is the natural thematic conclusion of Mance's recreation of the story of Bael the Bard, because Bael hid in the crypts as well. Of all the Winterfell Huis Clos' conclusions, Mance finding the Horn of Joramun is the most out there. I think Bran Vras is much better at identifying symbols, imagery, and themes than theory crafting. I find it more likely that Mance wanted to find the crypts in order to have a place to hide and discuss his plans in private and/or because of his interest in folklore and history (again, Bael the Bard). Why would Mance even want the Horn of Winter anyway? It allegedly destroys the Wall, and the entire point of his mass mobilization of wildlings was to lead his people behind the Wall for protection. Even if he only wanted to recover it so that it could not fall into the wrong hands (which wouldn't make much sense since according to Bran Vras it's apparently been kept safely hidden in Winterfell crypts for thousands of years), that wouldn't explain why he blew it. Twice. In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:
There's a reason I have to hide my true identity on these forums, Solice Kirsk. The Mossad has decided I'm depraved enough to be a war criminal, and they hunt me day and night. If you'll excuse me, I need to move to a new location. My VPN is no longer securely routed through three dozen proxy nodes.
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If Mance sent the letter to get an army brought to him, the plan might not even be a failure. Tormund can be all like, "Sorry you got all stabbed up, Jon. But I'm gonna go save Mance."
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:There's a reason I have to hide my true identity on these forums, Solice Kirsk. The Mossad has decided I'm depraved enough to be a war criminal, and they hunt me day and night. Too late - I'm secretly Fassbender's version of Magneto, and I'm coming for you.
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Majorian posted:Too late - I'm secretly Fassbender's version of Magneto, and I'm coming for you. BoT is a 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I am livid. gently caress you for posting zenpencils. Actually, I have been at a convention where he was talking. Stuff he talked about : going to conventions, stuff he didn't talk about : writing books.
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