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PantsOptional posted:It's certainly implied. We're never going to have it answered outright though. ADB says that question is never going to be answered unless BL lets the authors go beyond the current time frame.
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I find that so weird because honestly I have no idea how or why you would come to any other interpretation. Like, if he weren't their son, what would even be the thematic point of his existence or that chapter? Why the name? Etc.
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UberJumper posted:ADB says that question is never going to be answered unless BL lets the authors go beyond the current time frame. He also says that he hates that question, so...
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AndyElusive posted:For those interested, Black Library has also sorted all of the Horus Heresy releases into a suggested reading order to reflect the timeline on their webstore. There's a lot of audio drama and ebook only content squeezed in between the novels that I'm afraid I'll never get around to ever reading or hearing. goddamn thats like, over £600 worth of horus heresy poo poo 
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Arquinsiel posted:One of the Shiria Calpurnia novels is exactly that. Whichever one revolves around the Rogue Trader contract signed by the Emperor himself. Basically everyone wants it for various reasons. Pretty much all of the Calpurnia novels are essentially political thrillers revolving around a highly complex world and the factions within the Imperium. They are all really good I highly recommend them. They're definitely on that second tier behind ADB/Abnett and well worth reading. The rogue trader one was really good, which was the 2nd book if I recall.
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Jul 3, 2014 23:33
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Is it me or is the Age of Darkness thousand sons story a huge reference to the Blood Ravens from the Dawn of War games?
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Sandweed posted:Is it me or is the Age of Darkness thousand sons story a huge reference to the Blood Ravens from the Dawn of War games? Yeah it really is , considering that according to the blood ravens codex their chapter founder was Arvida.
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maev posted:goddamn thats like, over £600 worth of horus heresy poo poo Still cheaper than actually playing Warhammer 30K! 
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KramFoot posted:Yeah it really is , considering that according to the blood ravens codex their chapter founder was Arvida. I did not know that, by codex you mean tabletop rule book?
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KramFoot posted:Yeah it really is , considering that according to the blood ravens codex their chapter founder was Arvida.
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So I just finished off Ravenor, and might have actually enjoyed it more than the reread of Eisenhorn that came before it. Not sure how bad a person that makes me.  It did make me realize one thing though, having just caught up on Gaunt a couple months ago; GRRM is a goddamn amateur at killing beloved characters, Abnett's bodycount is not only higher but (personally) more meaningful.
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SRM posted:There's no Blood Ravens codex. They're not even mentioned in the newest Space Marines codex, aside from maybe one little picture of a painted Blood Raven in the unknown founding chapter section. That's all implied stuff from some Horus Heresy stuff. I'm an idiot. I was thinking of the article they had in White Dwarf.
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Apparently the next Horus Heresy book after the Damnation of Pythos is going to be another short story collection Legacies of Betrayal. Apparently it has a 3 short stories, by Gav Thorpe, Chris Wright, and ADB. The Cypher Story is by Gav Thorpe Also according to ADB, Abnett is super busy with writing for video games and marvel. But he has apparently started work on the next GG book. *EDIT* Apparently ADB is also writing a novella about the duel between the Lion and Russ. UberJumper fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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UberJumper posted:Apparently the next Horus Heresy book after the Damnation of Pythos is going to be another short story collection Legacies of Betrayal.  UberJumper posted:*EDIT* Apparently ADB is also writing a novella about the duel between the Lion and Russ. 
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UberJumper posted:
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Reading Age of Darkness. Why are the salamanders fighting ultra marines?
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vigorous sodomy posted:Reading Age of Darkness. Why are the salamanders fighting ultra marines? It's a short story, it's not like it takes forever to get to the end of it. And it's revealed well beyond the end if I remember right. It's a simulation, the ultramarines are keeping an open mind as to who is a traitor and who isn't I just finished Deliverance lost, it wasn't terribly bad, just average. Also apparently the more important you are, the worse your decision making becomes, with Corax trying really hard to outdo the Emperor when it comes to bad judgements. So far I feel Descent of Angels, Battle for the Abyss and The outcast dead were the worst in the series. kanonvandekempen fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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UberJumper posted:Apparently the next Horus Heresy book after the Damnation of Pythos is going to be another short story collection Legacies of Betrayal. So who are these guys? Sevatar, Lucius, Garro, Kharn, Cypher, Ahriman and Argel Tal (posessed)? I've just finished Thousand Suns (backtracking some of the books I've missed so far) and it was seriously entertaining, one of the best so far. But my Choler Rises to the Fore so loving much with Mcneil's loving stupid 2nd millenium references. I think Ahriman literally quotes the American Revolution twice amongst countless other immersion breaking references. Honestly every HH author can gently caress off even mentioning 'Gyptus' or Londonium' and so on. It goes full on super retard when the Perpetuals can't stop talking about being at Verdun or the Iraq war in a t-62. There's 28 thousand other years of history between now and the 31st millenium to use. Part of the greatness of 40k is how distant humanities lost past seems, authors like Abnett and Mcneil seem to forget that. maev fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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Safety Factor posted:That sounds like it'll be a decent book though I'm kind of curious what the other stories will be about. I'm not surprised that Thorpe's writing a Cypher story given what's going on in his 40k series. And if it means anything, Master of Sanctity wasn't bad at all. It thought it was a lot better than Ravenwing so maybe Thorpe is improving. Thorpe isn't that bad of a writer but he isn't very imaginative. The first Legion has been around longer than any other legion, they have done stuff that no other legion has ever done. I would have liked for them to be a little bit more than "we are super mysterious because of the fallen!". Its depressing that Abnett has given the best characterization for the Lion and the first legion when they weren't even the main focus of that book.
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How is Damocles? I want to read something about Tau. Never read any of the books yet.
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maev posted:So who are these guys? Sevatar, Lucius, Garro, Kharn, Cypher, Ahriman and Argel Tal (posessed)? Maybe that's Honsu in the back with the Iron Warriors stuff? Not sure who the guy in the front left is.
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vigorous sodomy posted:Maybe that's Honsu in the back with the Iron Warriors stuff? Not sure who the guy in the front left is. I think they are just generic traitors. Found an interesting ADB quote people might like quote:The 13th Black Crusade was launched in order to allow Chaos into the Imperium, no longer almost completely blocked by Cadia. It was about breaking the dam, not to just say "LOL LET'S GO TO TERRA!", but to change the very dynamics of Chaos and the Imperium. The Chaos Marine can now sail fleets into Imperial space much, much, much easier than ever before. The dam is broken. The Crusade's goals were achieved. As far as I know, that's the current deal. The subject is confused by poor phrasing and general online assumptions clouding the issue. Really want Talon of Horus now
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That's a pretty decent attempt at a defence, but I think he probably knows he's arguing from a standpoint of trying to justify something that's just endemic to the setting - Ezekyle Abaddon has had ten thousand years to get his poo poo together, so unless the death of Horus figuratively made the Legions immediately entirely fall apart (even by Star Wars 'The Emperor dies and everyone just forgets about all the Star Destroyers' level of storytelling) it just doesn't add up, and it's difficult to reconcile now they're having to actually write it. He's had quite literally thousands of lifetimes to get this going - By this point, if you were writing him as a 'character' rather than a trope, he'd be a lot more wily, a lot more subtle and a lot less prone to 'villainry'. This is why I like his Night Lords so much - They're actually far more believable as modern era Chaos Marines than most portrayals, because they at least make some sense. The only way Abaddon makes sense over the timescale he's been given is that either he's been successful in the aims he's set (and has, for whatever reason, made them quite limited, given that timescale) or he's been a monumental failure as a Warmaster, and the only reason he hasn't been desposed is because external rivals to the Black Legion are put off by the supremacy of the Black Legion, and internal rivals haven't because... reasons?
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maev posted:So who are these guys? Sevatar, Lucius, Garro, Kharn, Cypher, Ahriman and Argel Tal (posessed)? They write about events in our "current" history because the reader can easily identify with them. You're less prone to identify with a character who talks about the time he spent fighting the Arglebargles of Flab Quarv 6 because you have no frame of reference for that. You know what Desert Storm, or Verdun, or the American Revolution was - that was real history. You're getting too angry over a few lines in a book about a war between fusion-powered knights with missile-guns.
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berzerkmonkey posted:They write about events in our "current" history because the reader can easily identify with them. You're less prone to identify with a character who talks about the time he spent fighting the Arglebargles of Flab Quarv 6 because you have no frame of reference for that. You know what Desert Storm, or Verdun, or the American Revolution was - that was real history. You're getting too angry over a few lines in a book about a war between fusion-powered knights with missile-guns. I fundamentally disagree with this for a ton of reasons, but as someone with an actual history degree who has spent way too much time reading historical texts it makes me personally cringe. It's probably a pet peeve of mine which isn't shared by others to the same extent, but I generally read warhammer books as escapism and I'd much rather hear about That One Time in the golden age of technology than have Ahriman literally rallying his warriors in Tizca with quotes from George Washington.
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I get you now - you've got a special viewpoint. I work in the computer industry, so I see that stuff all the time. As an added bonus, I was also in the Marines, so I can go apeshit whenever I see someone in a uniform with the wrong insignia, badges, etc. But yeah, I think you're being a tad too critical - seeing someone mention something about history in an otherwise completely fictional book shouldn't completely set you off into a rage. I could see that in an alternative history story, or where a writer just flat out got history wrong, but a few throwaway lines?
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Fried Chicken posted:I think they are just generic traitors. maev posted:I fundamentally disagree with this for a ton of reasons, but as someone with an actual history degree who has spent way too much time reading historical texts it makes me personally cringe. It's probably a pet peeve of mine which isn't shared by others to the same extent, but I generally read warhammer books as escapism and I'd much rather hear about That One Time in the golden age of technology than have Ahriman literally rallying his warriors in Tizca with quotes from George Washington.
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And yet you don't hear me bitching about it (former history major) or basically anything in double eagle (current pilot). Really, just relax. (That being said they coulda handled it like star trek. Two familiar one fictional)
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Fried Chicken posted:I think they are just generic traitors. Yessss  One thing though, i thought the thirteenth black crusade, while the traitors won a ground battle on Cadia. The imperium more or less won the naval battle according to the massive campaign GW had?
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UberJumper posted:Yessss In the last days of GW's timeline advancing events Chaos playing teams had wrecked Cadia but the Battlefield Gothic games gave the Imperium the win. Then someone at GW either saw or heard about the problems White Wolf had with their flagship franchise and them deciding to relaunch the brand with new everything and realized GW had written/plotted itself into a corner, and the easiest thing to do was just stagnate and rewrite old lore.
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Shockeh posted:That's a pretty decent attempt at a defence, but I think he probably knows he's arguing from a standpoint of trying to justify something that's just endemic to the setting - Ezekyle Abaddon has had ten thousand years to get his poo poo together, so unless the death of Horus figuratively made the Legions immediately entirely fall apart (even by Star Wars 'The Emperor dies and everyone just forgets about all the Star Destroyers' level of storytelling) it just doesn't add up, and it's difficult to reconcile now they're having to actually write it. quote:He's had quite literally thousands of lifetimes to get this going - By this point, if you were writing him as a 'character' rather than a trope, he'd be a lot more wily, a lot more subtle and a lot less prone to 'villainry'. quote:This is why I like his Night Lords so much - They're actually far more believable as modern era Chaos Marines than most portrayals, because they at least make some sense. The only way Abaddon makes sense over the timescale he's been given is that either he's been successful in the aims he's set (and has, for whatever reason, made them quite limited, given that timescale) or he's been a monumental failure as a Warmaster, and the only reason he hasn't been desposed is because external rivals to the Black Legion are put off by the supremacy of the Black Legion, and internal rivals haven't because... reasons? And I'd point out that with the warp the timescale Abaddon may have had far less than 10,000 years. Or far more
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UberJumper posted:Yessss Chaos has the ground, the Imperium has the space, the final battle is about to be joined and the outcome will either mean that the Gates of Hell remain open and the Imperium is certain to fall, or Chaos will be devestated and wipe out what took 10,000 years to build and be bottled up again for all eternity. Now as to who won that final battle, you now how right before the big reveal, shows go to commercial? Well GW has been pitching it's commercial for plastic space army mans for 11 years now, but we will get back to the plot any second...
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They're slowly trying to show that the Black Crusades are far from failed. See this map from the Black Legion supplement: It shows that the 13th is The Big One, and it's stymied at Cadia. All the other Crusades had targets other than Terra. Fried Chicken posted:Chaos has the ground, the Imperium has the space, the final battle is about to be joined and the outcome will either mean that the Gates of Hell remain open and the Imperium is certain to fall, or Chaos will be devestated and wipe out what took 10,000 years to build and be bottled up again for all eternity. Now as to who won that final battle, you now how right before the big reveal, shows go to commercial? Well GW has been pitching it's commercial for plastic space army mans for 11 years now, but we will get back to the plot any second... 40k is a setting, not really a plotline that needs to be advanced. The Imperium is at the edge of oblivion from every angle. It's the end times. You can't really go beyond.
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There's more chance of In the Weirdo Darkness of the far future, there is only planet sized robotic nightmares: Warhammer 29k than them ever going into 42k.
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It's really weird to me that the 10th Black Crusade targeted Medusa and the Iron Hands. They don't seem like the juiciest target.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Apparently it was get the favor of Perturabo and learn a secret route. So it seems to earn the favor of Perturabo you kill tons of Iron Hands and lay as much waste to their planet. I would have thought the Imperial fists would have pleased him more but I guess Peturabo also had his reasons
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boredsatellite posted:So it seems to earn the favor of Perturabo you kill tons of Iron Hands and lay as much waste to their planet. I would have thought the Imperial fists would have pleased him more but I guess Peturabo also had his reasons There's only enough room for one Iron legion in this galaxy. Apparently Abbadon's knowledge of the Iron Hands came in handy during the 13th Black Crusade when he deployed a bunch of tanks on Medusa so the IH would have to commit all their forces to one planet.
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Arquinsiel posted:So... he was aware that they would defend their homeworld eh? Not exactly rocket surgery. And Chaos lost anyway 
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