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Cornwind Evil posted:I think Durkula just made the first of the mistakes that will end up his undoing. This was the first real time that he gave off a 'a demon wearing Durkon's skin' vibe instead of 'Durkon now undead' vibe. I suspect its not ordering Belkar to jump that will cause him later problems, but the idea that he can that will make him keep making little slip ups until it all falls apart. One of the strip's earliest running jokes was V setting up Exploding Runes to mess with Belkar.
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Angela Christine posted:If he hadn't snagged on the boat, would Belkar have died? As a high level ranger/barbarian at full health, he can fall quite a long way, can't he? It probably wouldn't kill him, but it would get him off the airship and out of the way for a good long while.
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Jul 5, 2014 18:06
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MikeJF posted:Well, in terms of the WIS stat, V's is mediocre and Elan is through the floor. Élan's CHA score is through the roof, not his WIS. He probably has an above average Wisdom at best.
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Jul 5, 2014 18:55
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Who What Now posted:Élan's CHA score is through the roof, What could possibly give you guys the idea that Elan's wisdom is anything better than abysmal
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Jul 5, 2014 19:19
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Who What Now posted:Élan's CHA score is through the roof, I said his WIS was through the floor, not roof.
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Jul 5, 2014 19:35
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There's a feat that lets you swap out your charisma for your wisdom for certain kinds of will saves, not terribly unlikely that he would have taken it (or it might be a Dashing Swordsman bonus feat, or whatever).
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Jul 5, 2014 20:07
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Ya know what Durkula's problem is? His search was too narrow. If he hadn't added "that only the two of you would know" the Parcheesi game memory might actually have worked for his purposes. Also, looks like Belkar grabbed Favored Enemy: Undead. Good choice, little guy.
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Jul 5, 2014 23:57
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I hope that Gnomengrad they're going to has some mind blank items at low, low prices.
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Protection from Evil would do the trick almost as well, and that's a first level spell. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if nobody thinks to grab any wands or anything, though; the best strategic thinker on the team is still trying to convince himself it's a problem that can be put off indefinitely.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:23
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Heatwizard posted:Protection from Evil would do the trick almost as well, and that's a first level spell. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if nobody thinks to grab any wands or anything, though; the best strategic thinker on the team is still trying to convince himself it's a problem that can be put off indefinitely. I think casting it on Belkar might be a no-no on par with putting a bag of holding inside a portable hole. 
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Jul 9, 2014 21:15
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Heatwizard posted:Protection from Evil would do the trick almost as well, and that's a first level spell. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if nobody thinks to grab any wands or anything, though; the best strategic thinker on the team is still trying to convince himself it's a problem that can be put off indefinitely. Most healing spells are touch range though, so they'd have to be careful to use it only when needed or lose access to their main healer just in case he decides to do something.
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seaborgium posted:Most healing spells are touch range though, so they'd have to be careful to use it only when needed or lose access to their main healer just in case he decides to do something. He has to use the staff to heal them anyways, like Malakk used to, or he level drains, and PoE doesn't protect from heals unless you want to force a roll. It WILL protect from his dominate ability. Also, as far as I can tell, there's no harm in putting it on Belkar, unless he tries to punch himself.
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Jul 10, 2014 05:46
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How viable would it be for Vaarsuvius to cast some kind of Perpetual PfE to keep the IFCC from getting their claws on him again? I have no idea how effective it is in 3.5 but in 2e it prevented even really powerful demons from harming you. It was fun to dick around with in Baldur's Gate.
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Jul 10, 2014 06:16
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razorrozar posted:How viable would it be for Vaarsuvius to cast some kind of Perpetual PfE to keep the IFCC from getting their claws on him again? I have no idea how effective it is in 3.5 but in 2e it prevented even really powerful demons from harming you. I don't think he knows the spell.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don't think he knows the spell. Wizards can use any normal arcane spell, they just have to prepare it beforehand.
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Jul 10, 2014 14:09
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mr. stefan posted:Wizards can use any normal arcane spell, they just have to prepare it beforehand. You're thinking of Clerics and divine spells. Wizards have to have a spell in their spellbook to prepare it.
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Protection from Evil doesn't protect against forced teleportation, right? If the fiends' plan for V only involves yanking the wizard from the team for a few moments like the first time, it wouldn't even matter.
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Jul 10, 2014 14:28
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We need to cast Protection from Rich Being Unwell
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Jul 10, 2014 14:32
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Colonial Air Force posted:We need to cast Protection from Rich Being Unwell
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Jul 10, 2014 14:44
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I think the contract nature of the agreement would likely prevent it from working on V even if it would in other circumstances.
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Jul 10, 2014 16:44
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Raenir Salazar posted:I think the contract nature of the agreement would likely prevent it from working on V even if it would in other circumstances. Good point. You probably can't use magic to escape a magically binding contract. Maybe something on the level of a Wish, but I don't expect to see that.
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razorrozar posted:Good point. You probably can't use magic to escape a magically binding contract. Maybe something on the level of a Wish, but I don't expect to see that. No, deals made with fiends (in 3.5) are covered under one of the underlying laws of creation(the pact primeval).
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Clearly, then, you use two Greater Wishes: One to do away with that particular part of the underpinnings of creation, and another to then annul that contract. 
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Jul 11, 2014 01:27
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Regalingualius posted:Clearly, then, you use two Greater Wishes: One to do away with that particular part of the underpinnings of creation, and another to then annul that contract. And then you make a personal enemy of the most forward thinking powers of all three hells. Yay!
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Jul 11, 2014 06:05
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Eifert Posting posted:And then you make a personal enemy of the most forward thinking powers of all three hells. Yay! What if you wish it never happened in the first place?
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Jul 11, 2014 09:11
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Eifert Posting posted:And then you make a personal enemy of the most forward thinking powers of all three hells. Yay! So what you're saying is we'll need a total of three wishes to solve this problem.
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Jul 11, 2014 09:22
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Just two. First you wish all wishes were calculated in absolute value, then you wish for 100,000 fewer wishes.
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Jul 11, 2014 10:56
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What happens if you wish that true is false and one equals zero?
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Jul 11, 2014 11:15
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MikeJF posted:What happens if you wish that true is false and one equals zero? Then your wish becomes true and you have one wish left.
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MikeJF posted:What happens if you wish that true is false and one equals zero? You get a big book of discrete mathematics, a sticky note with a field-related joke, and a dirty look. Cat Mattress posted:Then your wish becomes true and you have one wish left. 
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Jul 11, 2014 11:19
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Cat Mattress posted:Then your wish becomes true and you have one wish left. I love that the Wish spells were designed with the express intent that the genie/game runner would attempt to give you precisely what you asked for and exactly what you didn't want.
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Jul 11, 2014 14:55
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Shugojin posted:I love that the Wish spells were designed with the express intent that the genie/game runner would attempt to give you precisely what you asked for and exactly what you didn't want. BG2 sets it up so that when you cast a Wish, you have to negotiate with the genie, and if you have low Wisdom it's harder to get a deal in your favor. I think the first time I tried it the most beneficial option was knocking everyone in the area away from me and stunning them. I didn't make that mistake again. Also, casting Limited Wish and wishing to get stronger summons three super-powerful golems. Hey, if you beat them, you get a lot stronger!
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I seem to recall that the Baldur's Gate games had a lot of fun with Wish and Limited Wish. Your ability to get a useful effect from Wish required your hero to have a high WIS as well as INT stat and Limited Wish had a few repeateable wishes and a few non-repeatable wishes. One of the ones was "I wish to be protected from undead right now!" which somehow got interpreted as a whole bunch of vampires appearing to attack you.
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Well, if six vampires are suddenly bearing down on you, you're gonna need some protection from the undead now aren't you?  The "correct" version of the wish is "I wish to be protected from the undead" and gives you negative plane protection. My favorite is "I wish for my spells to be restored" de-memorizing all of your spells for the day. Once you rest, they're restored! Jerk genies are fun.
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I remember the cursed wishing gem from tomb of Horrors. It's entire thing was telling you that it grants Wishes but it does not tell you that it corrupts the wish in a way that will somehow kill you. Like say you wished that you were teleported to the Dungeons Treasure chamber it would kill you and teleport your corpse to the chamber. I remember a wish in a comic from the cursed gem. Were a fighter wished he was the King of a country that was mentioned earlier and had a ton of gold. The Cursed Wishing gem created a plague in that country that wiped out the entire Royal Family and anyone else in line for that throne until the Fighter was next in line. Then in order to grant his gold wish it created the gold inside him killing him.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I remember the cursed wishing gem from tomb of Horrors. It's entire thing was telling you that it grants Wishes but it does not tell you that it corrupts the wish in a way that will somehow kill you. You can't mention it and not post it, that is literally illegal. 
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Jul 11, 2014 22:29
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Wait a minute, the arch of reversal doesn't just flip your alignment, it flips your gender? HAW. Bet it also changes whether you're left or right-handed.
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Jul 12, 2014 06:53
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Speedball posted:Wait a minute, the arch of reversal doesn't just flip your alignment, it flips your gender? HAW. Bet it also changes whether you're left or right-handed. It converts your body from matter into antimatter. 
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Jul 12, 2014 06:56
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Speedball posted:Wait a minute, the arch of reversal doesn't just flip your alignment, it flips your gender? HAW. Bet it also changes whether you're left or right-handed. If you go back through it again it deals a tiny bit of damage to you and turns your alignment back to normal but Gender is still reversed. If you go through it a 3rd time it turns you back to normal and also teleports you nude to the entrance.
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MonsterEnvy posted:If you go back through it again it deals a tiny bit of damage to you and turns your alignment back to normal but Gender is still reversed. If you go through it a 3rd time it turns you back to normal and also teleports you nude to the entrance. Pfft. In a module filled to overflowing with things that kill or massively damage you, they throw in one room designed by Rumiko Takahashi.
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