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Benito Hitlerstalin posted:On that note, here's a forest map of Europe. Forest Cover in North America (well, most of North America):  edit: here's a bigger land cover map of North America. Forests are green: 
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Spending time in Europe really makes you appreciate the huge goddamn forests America still has.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:59
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There isn't a whole lot of old growth forest left in the lower 48, but when I visited Alaska I went into one of the ancient spruce forests near Denali. The trees are over a hundred feet tall and wider than a truck, they're just awe-inspiring. I can see why some ancient people chose groves as places of worship. EDIT: Content, old growth forests in the lower 48 over time. 
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Jul 7, 2014 21:00
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Jaramin posted:There isn't a whole lot of old growth forest left in the lower 48, but when I visited Alaska I went into one of the ancient spruce forests near Denali. The trees are hundreds of feet tall and wider than a truck, they're just awe-inspiring. I can see why some ancient people chose groves as places of worship. I'm pretty sure there's a ton more old growth forest in the (lower) western US than there is in the eastern or southern US. Also, the tallest, largest, and oldest trees on earth are all in California  edit: yup, looks like I'm right about the old growth forests. Still less of it in the west than I expected though. Logging is a bitch. A bitch that made my house. Rah! fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 21:05
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Spending time in Europe really makes you appreciate the huge goddamn forests America still has. What are you talking about, there are several trees in my backyard alone.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:06
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Ghetto Prince posted:Wow, the UK must really hate trees. Also really loves ships, longbows, and early industrialisation
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Jul 7, 2014 21:27
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I do not care for the trees.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:39
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I love how you can literally see the Central Valley in CA through the map of forests in North America.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:40
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I love how you can literally see the Central Valley in CA through the map of forests in North America. That there is pure farm country sonny. Ain't no trees allowed in them parts, unless they're the "good" farmin' type of tree. Now why don't you just get back in yer fancy tree car and go back to the big forest.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:45
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Benito Hitlerstalin posted:On that note, here's a forest map of Europe. I like how there a big splotch of "no data" on Iceland because that inaccessible glacier volcano might have a tree on it.
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Jul 7, 2014 22:14
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Given the current discussion, I figured these maps might be interesting. Forest cover in Europe during the last 3000 years, using two different models.
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Jul 7, 2014 22:16
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Trees own. Conifers4lyfe. Please ignore what happened to Greenland. Jehde fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 00:08
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Spending time in Europe really makes you appreciate the huge goddamn forests America still has. Looks like you haven't been to the good parts of europe  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip_QZaBfXqM
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Jul 8, 2014 00:54
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Jehde posted:Please ignore what happened to Greenland. Goode-Homolosine projection, except they filled in a lot of parts that should be non-map.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:55
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This is probably a pretty stupid question but at what point would deforestation threaten the atmosphere's oxygen levels?
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Jul 8, 2014 02:03
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dublish posted:Goode-Homolosine projection, except they filled in a lot of parts that should be non-map. It's embarrassingly telling how much of a map nerd I am that I immediately assumed it had to be Goode-Homolosine because of that. It is also embarrassingly telling how much of a map nerd I am that I even know how to spell Goode-Homolosine. 
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:This is probably a pretty stupid question but at what point would deforestation threaten the atmosphere's oxygen levels? As in to the point of not being able to replenish it? Never; most oxygen just comes from algae and poo poo, not trees. People deforesting through burning is a pretty big pollutant though.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:11
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Pook Good Mook posted:I heard a stat that says New England has 2 million more trees now then it did in 1900. Ironically we can thank the Industrial Revolution for partially saving the environment. You can go walking through a dense forest in the northeast and out of nowhere run into a stone wall reminding you this was once a meadow.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:20
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Pretty sure old growth in Washington is at least roughly comparable to oregon, weird that it just doesn't have any on this map.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:37
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Old James posted:You can go walking through a dense forest in the northeast and out of nowhere run into a stone wall reminding you this was once a meadow. Often these walls were just property lines and not really indicative of what the land was used for.
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A somewhat related treechat anecdote: I was told by one of my Strategic Studies professors that a couple of decades ago the Danish Navy were informed that "the trees were ready". Wondering what the poo poo, they obviously looked into it. Turns out some two hundred years previous a forest had been planted in order to provide trees for the navy down the line  (This might be BS but I've never known the professor in question to be wrong, she was intimidatingly smart)
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Jul 8, 2014 05:35
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Mister Adequate posted:A somewhat related treechat anecdote: I was told by one of my Strategic Studies professors that a couple of decades ago the Danish Navy were informed that "the trees were ready". Wondering what the poo poo, they obviously looked into it. Turns out some two hundred years previous a forest had been planted in order to provide trees for the navy down the line It was actually the Swedish navy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visings%C3%B6
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Jul 8, 2014 06:06
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The model on the left shows things got progressively worse all over while the model on the right shows some parts were even improving at times (Western Balkans in 1500 for example). What's the deal with the two models?
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Jul 8, 2014 06:08
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And what about the land of the gentle Panda, where they most surely respect nature?
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Jul 8, 2014 06:46
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Mister Adequate posted:A somewhat related treechat anecdote: I was told by one of my Strategic Studies professors that a couple of decades ago the Danish Navy were informed that "the trees were ready". Wondering what the poo poo, they obviously looked into it. Turns out some two hundred years previous a forest had been planted in order to provide trees for the navy down the line On a similar note, there's the case of the forest swastika.
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Jul 8, 2014 06:57
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Shbobdb posted:And what about the land of the gentle Panda, where they most surely respect nature? Ah yes, the land where they level entire mountain ranges in order to expand their cities: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/04/scientists-warn-against-chinas-plan-to-flatten-over-700-mountains
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Jul 8, 2014 08:07
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What's the Chinese equivalent of a Native American with a single tear running down his cheek?
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Jul 8, 2014 08:19
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Hot off the press: China to level Tibet for more living space.
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Jul 8, 2014 08:21
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Fojar38 posted:What's the Chinese equivalent of a Native American with a single tear running down his cheek? Wouldn't it be more like a mountain waterfall volume of tears running down his cheek? 
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SaltyJesus posted:The model on the left shows things got progressively worse all over while the model on the right shows some parts were even improving at times (Western Balkans in 1500 for example). What's the deal with the two models?
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Fojar38 posted:What's the Chinese equivalent of a Native American with a single tear running down his cheek? e: Realtalk Yunnan has a lot of ethnic diversity, a real interesting history, and a lot of completely despoiled natural resources. e 2: Yunnan is the Chiapas of China. Teriyaki Hairpiece fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 10:11
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Fojar38 posted:What's the Chinese equivalent of a Native American with a single tear running down his cheek? A crying Xinjiang Muslim. Xinjiang literally means "new frontier", it doesn't get more obvious a parallel than that.
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Jul 8, 2014 10:17
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Xinjiang Muslims don't cry, cause if one is caught unhappy he will be replaced with twenty families of smiling Han Chinese.
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Jul 8, 2014 12:22
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Spending time in Europe really makes you appreciate the huge goddamn forests America still has. Depends on Europe, really. As a Finn...I've had my fill of forests, show me mountains or the Grand Canyon or something different. 
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Jul 8, 2014 12:29
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DarkCrawler posted:Depends on Europe, really. As a Finn...I've had my fill of forests, show me mountains or the Grand Canyon or something different. I've been in or on basically every type of natural structure in the Western US and the Grand Canyon is the only thing that's made me feel humble and insignificant when I see it. It's so wide you can't even see the other side clearly, it goes into that blue haze that you see with mountains off in the distance.
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Yosemite is also pretty amazing. I went there on vacation a few years ago and it took my breath away. Here it is in map form.  EDIT: drat it. I always get my Y national park names mixed up. Ethiser fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 14:49
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computer parts posted:I've been in or on basically every type of natural structure in the Western US and the Grand Canyon is the only thing that's made me feel humble and insignificant when I see it. Pictures don't even come close to capturing it. There's nothing comparable to it anywhere. If you're ever near the Grand Canyon and don't go you made a terrible life choice.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:08
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html This is pretty interesting, showing political leaning over time by year of birth. It would appear the really recalcitrant conservative shitheads aren't actually Boomers, who are split about 50/50, but Gen X and people born from about 1965 to 1980. You can look at how much each cohort's politics change in each presidency, and the year that swung hardest to the right during Obama's presidency was born in 1975. 
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Jul 8, 2014 15:23
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Ethiser posted:Yellowstone is also pretty amazing. I went there on vacation a few years ago and it took my breath away. Unless there was some teleportation going on, that's Yosemite national park.
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Isn't Yellowstone roundish being you know a massive volcanic crater.
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