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Hallways are unnecessary, after all. Just segment them into additional bedrooms.
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Faithless posted:What is the best way to stop a tantrum spiral? The game feels pretty unplayable at the moment since as soon as 3 dwarfs die all 90 of them beat the hell out of eachother until there's just 1 babbling child left and some sane migrants come to clean up the mess. Have 25% of your fortress be active-duty military, and physically separated from your civilian dwarves. Dwarves training or patrolling are too busy to make friends, and dwarves that have Seen Things You Wouldn't Believe don't care too much when ordered to execute their berzerking sister. This will give you a core kernel from which to always build your fort back up with a few years of migrant waves. Between that, and smoothed/engraved/decorated everything everywhere always, and a decent justice system to lock down any dwarves who still get a little ratchety, you should be relatively well insulated from any tantrum spirals.
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Sep 6, 2014 21:04
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Dang, I build one little staircase to the caverns and suddenly my arts & crafts basement is running amok with scared elk birds. Thank goodness I started early and had 5 strong swordsmen to put them down with. The four squaddies whacked them unconscious with their training bats while the captain strode between the bodies, finishing each one using his iron sword with one exception. That one got its head rendered into chunky salsa by my 80-year-old squaddie #5 using nothing but his blunt walnut training sword. He's got moxie.
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Sep 6, 2014 21:22
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Tunicate posted:Hallways are unnecessary, after all. Just segment them into additional bedrooms. Yeah I like bedrooms leading to bedrooms, irregular sized rooms, gives the place a real slum warren feel that contrasts nicely with my golden throne rooms and great pyramids.
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Sep 6, 2014 21:47
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my dad posted:Placing rooms above (or below) your hallways can make for a neat visual, and depending on how you do it can be quite efficient. In addition, under-rooms let you lock away a troublesome dwarf, and above-rooms let you protect your dwarf from building destroying menaces. I have to say, I love the mental picture of dwarves just living in pits with hatches leading down from a main hallway.
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Sep 6, 2014 22:17
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Darth Various posted:I have to say, I love the mental picture of dwarves just living in pits with hatches leading down from a main hallway. Me too, but the idea of designating all those stairs is giving me shivers. Building three-tile bedrooms with just a chest bed and door is enough of a hassle seen as how there's so little practical benefit.
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Sep 6, 2014 22:51
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 Goblin recruits don't earn the privilege of wielding a weapon until they've crushed a dwarf skull with their bare hands
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Sep 6, 2014 23:24
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quote:Stopped civs from sending a squad when they failed to find thieves/snatchers to send so thats why goblins are kicking my poo poo in so early
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Sep 7, 2014 02:40
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Dreggon posted:so thats why goblins are kicking my poo poo in so early A drawbridge connected to a lever is the first thing built with stone in my fort. You might miss a caravan, or a migrant wave is slaughtered, but the fortress endures.
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Sep 7, 2014 02:52
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Tunicate posted:Hallways are unnecessary, after all. Just segment them into additional bedrooms. Dwarfs can get a bad thought from having other people in their rooms. Or they used to be able to. Who the hell knows any more.
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Sep 7, 2014 04:48
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gently caress off you piece of poo poo a few questions 1. can this rear end in a top hat break floodgates 2. will this rear end in a top hat break floodgates 3. if i send dwarves to fight this guy will he do some seriously nasty poo poo to them regardless of whether or not he dies 4. do megabeats (i assume that is what this is) normally flash like they're legendary-skilled or am i extra bonus hosed (he's going between yellow and tan, like a farmer/woodcutter) 5. fuckkkkkkkkk 6. do they have trapavoid 7. what do i do
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Sep 7, 2014 10:54
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1. With BUILDINGDESTROYER:2? I think so! 2. Building destroyers automatically home in on the nearest poo poo they can break. This is one of the reasons why uncorking hell tanks your FPS, those fuckers never ever stop pathing calculations. 3. He's got tusks, a lot of muscle and takes only half damage from anything except for a particular random martial metal (which does, in turn, 10 times as much harm). You're looking at a grueling fight. 4. Nah, they're special flashy things like that. 5.  6. They do! You're on your own. 7. Crossbows! Swarm it with axes and picks and spears, there's just one of them and more of you! Brick up the entrance and wait until the full moon passes so he turns into a naked peasant who scrambles off in panic!
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Sep 7, 2014 11:24
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Dreggon posted:a few questions 1. Yes 2. Maybe. I've had werecreatures completely ignore my fort's open door. You might be lucky. 3. Yes. They he can infect them with lycanthropy. He might not, though, you could get lucky. 4. That's normal for night creatures like werecreatures. 5. Don't panic. 6. No. I think. 7. Keep all your dwarves inside and make your path of least resistance go through your traps. He'll only by around for an in-game day until he turns back, which is not very long at all. Just hold out. If anyone gets into combat with him, lock them away for a month to make sure they won't turn too.
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Sep 7, 2014 11:26
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i want to send my main dwarves (the high-end contributing ones that support the fort as opposed to the legion of haulers) off to a special area to not get killed, but every time i set a station order to a squad they always gently caress off to the entrance and get killed, even when i tell them to go in the other direction how do i make them not do this?
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Sep 7, 2014 11:31
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Dreggon posted:i want to send my main dwarves (the high-end contributing ones that support the fort as opposed to the legion of haulers) off to a special area to not get killed, but every time i set a station order to a squad they always gently caress off to the entrance and get killed, even when i tell them to go in the other direction You need to use burrows, the military dudes are trying to defend the fort.
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Sep 7, 2014 11:33
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I'm two for two using the ol' send a swordsdwarf to lop the werebeast's head off in a single swing method, try that. Fun fact: they love to bend people's limbs the wrong direction
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Sep 7, 2014 11:36
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ghetto wormhole posted:I'm two for two using the ol' send a swordsdwarf to lop the werebeast's head off in a single swing method, try that. is that two for two on "it completely failed and everyone was hosed"
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Sep 7, 2014 11:37
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Dreggon posted:is that two for two on "it completely failed and everyone was hosed" No one was harmed except the fisherdwarves who decided to take their sweet rear end time getting to safety, they're fuckin' dead.
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Sep 7, 2014 11:38
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ghetto wormhole posted:No one was harmed except the fisherdwarves who decided to take their sweet rear end time getting to safety, they're fuckin' dead. last time i waited for a fisherdwarf i got killed by an undead horde anyway what i was hoping would be the complete ruination of my fortress was in fact a kobold who had shapeshifted into a mammoth for about 20 seconds, damaged my gate a little bit and then just left i'm quite disappointed, really, especially since one of the guys i sent to pull the lever is a paraplegic and he did NOT get there in time also my mayor is 13 
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Sep 7, 2014 11:46
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He's a real go-getter, that kid. I thought Toady fixed the thing with elves taming tigermen, but guess what showed up in the caravan? Should I buy this dude and let him be my resident meat-eating partier/probably eventual mayor?
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Sep 7, 2014 16:05
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GenericOverusedName posted:He's a real go-getter, that kid. Tigerman has mandated the construction of breakfast cereal
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Sep 7, 2014 16:08
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Dreggon posted:Tigerman has mandated the construction of breakfast cereal We do have Maize now, so that is totally possible! He won't be able to eat it though 
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Sep 7, 2014 16:28
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Make sure you have a well or the tigerman will die of dehydration.
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Sep 7, 2014 17:29
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Dreggon posted:i want to send my main dwarves (the high-end contributing ones that support the fort as opposed to the legion of haulers) off to a special area to not get killed, but every time i set a station order to a squad they always gently caress off to the entrance and get killed, even when i tell them to go in the other direction You are seriously going about this the wrong way. Mob the were-mammoth with your entire fort. Hope it dies, but not before biting several people. Then you can build up a fort full of were-mammoths.
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Sep 7, 2014 18:06
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Don't think of it as losing a fort, think of it as a gift to all the other forts on that world.
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Sep 7, 2014 19:38
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Is there a 40.11 compliant version of Therapist yet?
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Sep 7, 2014 19:43
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I managed to generate a decent river + volcano spot. It's got copper, silver, gold, platinum, iron, flux, a few trees (which is plenty now that you get more than one log for an entire tree), and a bit of soil for farming (not a ton but hey that's what the river is for). I generated this in whatever version of DF comes with the latest version of the Lazy Newb Pack. You might have to turn aquifers off to get it to generate properly, I don't know exactly how this works. Thanks to someone whose name I can't remember for the original world-gen parameters to get lots of volcanos without turning the world into a hellish wasteland everywhere. code:
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Is there a 40.11 compliant version of Therapist yet? Not in release form, but the memory layouts for .11 are here.
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Sep 7, 2014 20:11
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Regarding bedroom design, I probably a little biased because I designed it, but I'm still a fan of the decentralized living setup on the DF Wiki: The operative problem that I found with a lot of the Greek Cross and high density designs is traffic. A lot of them lose a ton of time with dwarves shoving by eachother in 1 wide hallways and one up/down staircase. Dwarves also tend to get hungry/thirsty/tired in waves as well, so these traffic problems get worse as an entire shift of dwarves swarms a central facility. This was pre-burrow when I designed it, but they work even better with burrows and it is a loving godsend with some of the internal threats you can face now. Having an area where a tight clutch of 26 dwarves can handle all their daily business means less wait time before they get back to work, and with proper smoothing and engraving even the little dining rooms can be brought up to pretty high value. Built in storage space means that nobody has to go too far to grab food or a drink after they wake up, built in barrack space means you can absorb immigrant waves or make in-burrow hospitals really easily, hell, there's even built-in jails for justice that you can use statues to contain, giving you a pre-planned way of handling troublemakers while providing happy thoughts for anyone who saunters by. This doesn't obliterate the need for a properly massive and dwarfy dining hall, of course, but I have still yet to find something that provides more value for less space invested.
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I pretty much design all my fortresses with a grid of up/down stairs spaced every 11 spaces (a single shift-keystroke) and create repeatable "cells" that fit in the 10x10 squares between stairs. It tends to be decentralized enough to avoid tons of staircase traffic without awkward 3x3 stairs.
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Sep 7, 2014 20:45
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Coolguye posted:Regarding bedroom design, I probably a little biased because I designed it, but I'm still a fan of the decentralized living setup on the DF Wiki: Hey, I use this design.  I also use the workspace design, though I have troubles getting it to work well with minecarts sometimes.
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Glory of Arioch posted:Hey, I use this design. I designed that too! Though I designed it prior to minecarts being a thing. I should probably revisit it sometime soon, if I'm honest I always forget to use minecarts.
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Coolguye posted:Regarding bedroom design, I probably a little biased because I designed it, but I'm still a fan of the decentralized living setup on the DF Wiki: I use this as a base layout, but with living pods design for the living quarters. You have to be more careful with carving out the fort as you're now spanning across Z-levels, but it makes the overall distance between public facilities and rooms shorter. Plus you can put cool stuff in the lobby areas.
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This is the one I modified to get my current design. I don't optimize it so much for traffic though, and I don't use those central hallways for dining and whatever, instead as hallways. I extended the height of it so that both the horizontal hallways at the top and bottom as well as the middle hallways have rooms coming off of them. I've personally never had such a huge problem with traffic that I needed to do something like decentralize it all, but then again it's been a long time since I had a fortress go beyond about ten years before I say gently caress it, dig into hell, and let everyone die.
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Sep 7, 2014 21:22
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What's up with this request from a strange mood dwarf?
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Sep 7, 2014 22:59
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That's just the name of the artifact he is going to create.
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Sep 7, 2014 23:01
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New artifact sock, "The Superior Prestige"! It has images made of iron on them, I didn't even know they could do that.
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"Relates to the creation of Tubedeep the Humid Spear in Slappedfigure" At least we know what the sock is for.
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Sep 8, 2014 00:05
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Turtlicious posted:"Relates to the creation of Tubedeep the Humid Spear in Slappedfigure" And Tubedeep the Humid Spear is a previous artifact. Are we sure it's a crossbow?
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Tenebrais posted:And Tubedeep the Humid Spear is a previous artifact. Are we sure it's a crossbow? Yup, it's a crossbow:  Also, the guy who made the sock did not become legendary. What gives?
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