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I think honestly that was the best fight scene in the entire franchise. It really helps demonstrate just how powerful Servants are and why even the most powerful mortal magus probably can't stand up to them for more than a second. I never got a chance to get past the prologue of FSN but from what I remember this was close minus a large chunk of internal monologue'ing. This was confirmed to be its own independent work loosely based on UBW right or am I thinking about Heaven's Feel? What would happen if you tried to summon someone that by rights should be a Heroic Spirit and has a legend but by some quirk never actually died?
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Raenir Salazar posted:What would happen if you tried to summon someone that by rights should be a Heroic Spirit and has a legend but by some quirk never actually died? What, you mean like Saber? It summons the real person across time rather than a copy, and that real person keeps their memory of each War they participate in. So King Arthur goes back to die, probably still thinking about Shirou's cooking. EDIT: This is Fate route spoilers so I'm not sure if it's fair game or not in this thread. Myriad Truths fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:I think honestly that was the best fight scene in the entire franchise. It really helps demonstrate just how powerful Servants are and why even the most powerful mortal magus probably can't stand up to them for more than a second. I think this gets infodumped in the next episode or two, but basically most of the servants are copies of souls summoned from something that exists outside time, that acts is kind of a hero afterlife. There are exceptions though, and I don't think it ever explains in depth why that's the case. Blhue fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Oct 6, 2014 02:02
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I'm not expecting this to be as good as Zero, but I liked the prologue. Not focusing on Shirou was a good choice. [/hasn't played VN]
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Myriad Truths posted:What, you mean like Saber? It summons the real person across time rather than a copy, and that real person keeps their memory of each War they participate in. So King Arthur goes back to die, probably still thinking about Shirou's cooking. Huh, I actually forgot about that. I was thinking more if you had some dude who got Immortality and lived to the modern day; Sun Wukong and Koschei as vaguely plausible examples.
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Portable Staplefrog posted:I'm not expecting this to be as good as Zero, but I liked the prologue. Not focusing on Shirou was a good choice. [/hasn't played VN] What has Shirou don't in those 10 seconds of screen time for you to already be wary of him?
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Oct 6, 2014 02:25
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The original prologue was also from Rin's perspective, that wasn't a ufotable choice.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Huh, I actually forgot about that. I was thinking more if you had some dude who got Immortality and lived to the modern day; Sun Wukong and Koschei as vaguely plausible examples. Saber is different, she gets summoned and keeps her memories each time because she isn't an actually complete heroic spirit. A proper heroic spirit has a copy of them summoned which then carries that info back to the original spirit on death but does not carry that information across multiple summonings.
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Nasu's livetweets are amazing.quote:Ah, but how overgrown this house has become after ten years. Rin must have thought that hiring a gardener was too much of a luxury. But it's okay; in ten minutes, a pro butler will arrive who'll help with not just the garden, but with all kinds of housework!  I hope someone draws Archer doing Rin's gardening.
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Has this Saber been summoned in every Holy Grail War? I wish we could see some of the rosters pre HGW4. I just love reading about the different characters in things like Fate/Extra and Apocrypha.
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Was it ever mentioned which Servants got summoned in the very first war? That'd be pretty interesting to hear about.
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Honest Ray posted:Has this Saber been summoned in every Holy Grail War? I wish we could see some of the rosters pre HGW4. I just love reading about the different characters in things like Fate/Extra and Apocrypha. Definitely not. The catalyst for a bunch of the servants, Saber included, were only found in the previous war.
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We've heard snippets about the previous Grail Wars, no real identities except for one, and Arturia was only summoned in the 4th and 5th Wars.
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Honest Ray posted:Has this Saber been summoned in every Holy Grail War? I wish we could see some of the rosters pre HGW4. I just love reading about the different characters in things like Fate/Extra and Apocrypha. I don't think so. Details on earlier wars are pretty slim, but it seemed like the catalyst for summoning her was discovered shortly before the 4th, so its fairly unlikely.
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There's one known servant from the third HGW, and as far as I can tell that's it. Sortof bizarre that we haven't gone back further, considering how much spin-off material there is.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:There's one known servant from the third HGW, and as far as I can tell that's it. Sortof bizarre that we haven't gone back further, considering how much spin-off material there is. Apparently there's also a little bit of information about the 3rd Assassin, but that's Assassin.
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Irukandji Syndrome posted:Nasu's livetweets are amazing. This means someone could summon Hayate the Combat Butler as a servant. Funny thought.
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All Assassins are the same Assassin if it's a proper grail war so that servant is always covered.
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Eej posted:All Assassins are the same Assassin if it's a proper grail war so that servant is always covered. Hassan is a title, not an identity. They're not the same person.
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MonsieurChoc posted:This means someone could summon Hayate the Combat Butler as a servant. Funny thought. He doesn't really fit any of the servant archetypes though. Maybe Rider, with Tama as his mighty talking steed? Would watch/10
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Edit: Moved to Zero thread to minimize spoilery discussion.
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quote:Are spell incantations that important? Well of course they are; it's a ritual. You put in your password in your smartphones, don't you? It's pretty much the same thing. Nasu is the best. 
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Wow, the tweet translations are terrible. Noと言える強い遠坂！ is more like "A strong Tohsaka who can say no." Loved the episode, it was like I was playing the VN for the first time again, except with much better music.
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Revalis Enai posted:except with much better music. Funny, my primary disappointment with it was that they didn't get Kajiura on board again.
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Revalis Enai posted:Wow, the tweet translations are terrible. Is that from「NO」と言える日本? That's an interesting reference.
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I really liked the prologue. But I have a good idea who Archer is already, I think, even though the end of F/Z kinda puts a wrench in my idea. Regardless, with this and the new Gundam coming out on the same day I'm pretty happy. What sucks is that I like Rin already due to her exposition in F/Z and apparently the focus of this path is on Shirou, so I hope he winds up not being as bad as everyone makes him out to be.
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Just an FYI, Shiro is a focus of the UBW route, but this is largely because he's the protagonist. Rin is basically on the same level as Shiro in terms of being a protagonist and whatnot due to her also being a narrator and someone whose history has a heavy hand in the story. UBW is actually the first of two routes where she essentially is the focus along with Shiro, so don't assume just because he's the central protagonist that she's going to immediately be forgotten or something.
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Cromlech posted:I really liked the prologue. But I have a good idea who Archer is already, I think, even though the end of F/Z kinda puts a wrench in my idea. Regardless, with this and the new Gundam coming out on the same day I'm pretty happy. Shirou is a good protagonist and a complex character, although as a part of this he's occasionally unlikeable (not as much in UBW though). also Rin isn't the main character but she's like second or third most important character in the thing so it's not like she gets sidelined. Also post who you think Archer is because speculation from people not familiar with the source is cool and better than in depth posts about the nasuverse behind spoiler bars a single episode in. Cake Attack fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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What I'm saying is shut the gently caress up and chill out about Shiro until the next episode is out, jesus christ. He barely was in this episode.
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Archer is obviously Dante.
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That's good. I mean, I figured they wouldn't have totally threw her out on the sidelines like that, but people were making posts like "HEH YOURE GONNA BE DISAPPOINTED...." I'm totally down for Shiro(u)(?) being the protagonist and the focus if his character arc is well thought out and whatnot. Like in Eva I don't mind Shinji and I liked 3.33, so it's not like I'm hard to please in that regard.. I can't wait to see what stellar parenting his pops did Beef Waifu posted:What I'm saying is shut the gently caress up and chill out about Shiro until the next episode is out, jesus christ. He barely was in this episode. Cromlech fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Archer is Kiritsugu, get owned people against utilitarianism.Cromlech posted:drat dude, relax. I'm with you, its not like I'm letting people who have played the VN color my experiences from the get go. Somehow I've managed to avoid most spoilers about this series by being a lowly anime watcher since F/Z first came out. My apologies for being so rude. Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Beef Waifu posted:What I'm saying is shut the gently caress up and chill out about Shiro until the next episode is out, jesus christ. He barely was in this episode. He died as he lived, everyone hoping he stayed dead.
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Cromlech posted:I'm totally down for Shiro(u)(?) being the protagonist His name would be most commonly romanized as "Shirou," directly transliterating. Although the "-u" is written as a separate syllable, it just represents an extended vowel. It's also not uncommon to drop that extended vowel and just write it as "Shiro" (see: Matoi Ryuko/Ryuuko). Could also go with "Shirō" if you're being really stuck-up. While we're on names, Tohsaka has a totally mundane meaning of "distant hill," but Rin is written as "dignified," appropriately enough. edit: the meaning behind Shirou's name can wait until he's had more than like three lines Outer Science fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Hommando posted:Archer is obviously Dante. Which means someone else will have summoned the Demi-Fiend. 
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Beef Waifu posted:Just an FYI, Shiro is a focus of the UBW route, but this is largely because he's the protagonist. Rin is basically on the same level as Shiro in terms of being a protagonist and whatnot due to her also being a narrator and someone whose history has a heavy hand in the story. UBW is actually the first of two routes where she essentially is the focus along with Shiro, so don't assume just because he's the central protagonist that she's going to immediately be forgotten or something.
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Cromlech posted:That's good. I mean, I figured they wouldn't have totally threw her out on the sidelines like that, but people were making posts like "HEH YOURE GONNA BE DISAPPOINTED...." The reason why people say that Shirou is boring is cause they are mainly thinking of Shirou in the first story "Fate" in which he is pretty darned boring. This though is Unlimited Blade Works were he actually has some better characterization and actually grows as a person. It also has him doing some pretty badass things but will be left unexplained for another day.
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Waffleman_ posted:Apparently there's also a little bit of information about the 3rd Assassin, but that's Assassin. Yeah but the 3rd Assassin sounded like a badass from what little info after all turning a masters brain into gunpowder and setting it off is sure one hell of a way to kill some one.
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Hommando posted:Archer is obviously Dante. Funny enough, we already got a Dante. quote:Kagetsu Tohya Daily Message 134: He even got magic gun and sword.
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So first episode was about as good as a ufotable usually does with Fate/, which is to say goddamn gorgeous and cool as hell, but there were a couple of things that I didn't like so much. I know Rin is supposed to be hardcore tsundere and stuffed full of pride, but her cute act and excessive blushing was not what I expecting at all. I guess that was to make her more appealing to... you know. Hopefully this changes. The second thing was the "allow me to explain everything to myself for your benefit" exposition. C'mon, there's far better ways to provide exposition than that, the easiest of which would just be Rin narrating her thoughts as she does related things. Effectively the same, but far less aggravating. One really good thing about the episode was how much the manage to stuff into a 45 min. episode, including all the subtle nuances that become really important later on. I don't expect this to be any worse than Fate/Zero at worst, show of the year at best.
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