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Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Endorph posted:

and CON instead of just using STR for weapon weight. and no dagger mages. and cavaliers work completely differently in terms of weapons. and no shoving. and no laguz. and you buy items on the map instead of inbetween maps. and anima magic is just one lump instead of individual types. and dark magic exists. and supports work very differently. and

also im dumb, it seems

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Cake Attack posted:

also im dumb, it seems
and you get light magic users besides loving rhys

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
Erk is a perfectly fine and servicable mage. Jumping all the way back into the Teens where "A Good character is not exclusively a character with a tonne of flashing green numbers." Most enemies have no Res, Erk has decent growths, and he's avaliable for a good while. Then you'll get Pent, in case Erk didn't turn out. Both stomp all over Nino, who as an Est shows up ridiculously late and who could, if you want to dedicate the time to grinding her out, do the same job as an average Pent or Erk who you didn't devote all that time to.

Just... play FE like you play FE, use characters, go with the ones that work, drop the ones who fall behind.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



I do drop the ones that fall behind. That just also happens to include Erk in every playthrough I've done of this game. Yeah, yeah, confirmation bias, I know.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Erk isn't bad but he's not great either. His stats are barely any better than Lugh from FE6 (pretty much just 1 point more in everything), which, considering the general inflation from 6 to 7, is pretty damning.

Erk being around for awhile and being a mage definitely helps his case, but if he had any competition at all his position would be a lot shakier. Heck, even Prissy has the advantage of a horse, once you promote her.

WrightOfWay
Jul 24, 2010


Pent has A staves and actual concrete durability so he'll always be better once he shows up.

Another thing to know is that Marcus doesn't stop being good until the last few maps on HHM and never slows down in EHM as long as you give him boss kills and maybe a Speedwing and Dracoshield.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

Onmi posted:

Erk is a perfectly fine and servicable mage. Jumping all the way back into the Teens where "A Good character is not exclusively a character with a tonne of flashing green numbers." Most enemies have no Res, Erk has decent growths, and he's avaliable for a good while. Then you'll get Pent, in case Erk didn't turn out. Both stomp all over Nino, who as an Est shows up ridiculously late and who could, if you want to dedicate the time to grinding her out, do the same job as an average Pent or Erk who you didn't devote all that time to.

Just... play FE like you play FE, use characters, go with the ones that work, drop the ones who fall behind.

This is almost right, except Pent is for always, not just if Erk doesn't turn out.

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Endorph posted:

and you get light magic users besides loving rhys

I used Rhys one time and he was actually pretty good

Edit: But then I am apparently the one guy who actually likes the non-mounted units in that game

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

alcharagia posted:

I used Rhys one time and he was actually pretty good

Edit: But then I am apparently the one guy who actually likes the non-mounted units in that game

anyone who doesn't like nephenee...

let's just say we'd need to have some words

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Cake Attack posted:

anyone who doesn't like nephenee...

let's just say we'd need to have some words

:agreed:

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

mabels big day posted:

What should I be expecting in Fire Emblem 7. I know nothing about it other than people say that Hector is cool.

The lack of playable Soldiers after such great showings in PoR and RD is Awakenings biggest failing.

Don't really get why the series has such reluctance to give the player an Lance using foot unit.

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Dr Pepper posted:

The lack of playable Soldiers after such great showings in PoR and RD is Awakenings biggest failing.

Don't really get why the series has such reluctance to give the player an Lance using foot unit.

Ephraim, Nephenee, and Devdan were all too cool, they sucked all of the cool out and so now if another Soldier shows up they'll be lame.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Dr Pepper posted:

Don't really get why the series has such reluctance to give the player an Lance using foot unit.
Knights?

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

Cake Attack posted:

anyone who doesn't like nephenee...

let's just say we'd need to have some words

Nephenee is somewhere between bad and mediocre.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

cheetah7071 posted:

Nephenee is somewhere between bad and mediocre.

alright alcharagia, i'll hold him down while you hit him

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

cheetah7071 posted:

Nephenee is somewhere between bad and mediocre.

because she works green hair better than tiki without even trying, right

Cake Attack posted:

alright alcharagia, i'll hold him down while you hit him

great idea

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Endorph posted:

Knights?

Knights will usually get some other weapon type on promotion, and they're armored units, a different type of unit then Soldiers.

Soldiers are like Myrmidons, Brigands/Pirates and their promoted forms. They fill a unit niche of basically being specialists with a weapon type. They thus embody the traits of the weapon.

Lance's are "balanced" compared to the light and fast swords and the heavy and slow axes. An armored Knight, being a slow defense unit, doesn't work as a Lance specialist. The playable Soldiers fit this pretty well, being fairly well balanced between speed, strength and accuracy.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

cheetah7071 posted:

Nephenee is somewhere between bad and mediocre.

What the gently caress

mabels big day
Feb 25, 2012

Cake Attack posted:

alright alcharagia, i'll hold him down while you hit him

get me the hell in on this

KoB
May 1, 2009

Cake Attack posted:

alright alcharagia, i'll hold him down while you hit him

Im here too, Nephenee superiority. Always one of my top units.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012
I wish a new FE would come out already so I could shed my mantle of Awakening babby

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

TheKingofSprings posted:

I wish a new FE would come out already so I could shed my mantle of Awakening babby

You could always go back and play the older ones...

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Well unfortunately for you the next game from the company will be Abe Lincoln vs. Aliens in Valkyria chronicles combat.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



You say that like it's a bad thing.

But for real if you have a GBA, DS, 3DS, Game Cube, Wii, or Wii U there are more Fire Emblem games than Awakening available to you. Of course, if all you have is the 3DS then you only have Awakening and Shadow Dragon but it's the thought that counts.

KoB
May 1, 2009

Manatee Cannon posted:

You say that like it's a bad thing.

But for real if you have a GBA, DS, 3DS, Game Cube, Wii, or Wii U there are more Fire Emblem games than Awakening available to you. Of course, if all you have is the 3DS then you only have Awakening and Shadow Dragon but it's the thought that counts.

I have FE8 on mine, is that from the Ambassador thing?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

KoB posted:

I have FE8 on mine, is that from the Ambassador thing?

Yeah, only launch 3DS have that weird catalog of GBA games.

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!
FE7 is great because once I had Serra tank in place of my front-line fighters because they were being bad and kept dying. It was one of the HHM chapters where you have to defend a throne with a somewhat split spawn. No matter who I subbed in it just wasn't working out.

Before resetting for a fourth or fifth time, maybe to try something cheeky by bringing less units, I sent Serra up front almost as a joke and she killed everything without taking a hit. She'd only just promoted too; she remained my best caster and one of my best units for the rest of the run.

And that's why I'm the only person I know who actually uses Serra.

e:
FE7 remains my favourite Fire Emblem though PoR is pretty close. I don't like having too much "extra" on my FE, and Awakening was the worst offender in that regard.

Desuwa fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Dec 4, 2014

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!

Tae posted:

Well unfortunately for you the next game from the company will be Abe Lincoln vs. Aliens in Valkyria chronicles combat.
holy poo poo yes please :stare:

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 7, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

Manatee Cannon posted:

Every time someone refers to FE9 as PoR I think of Castlevania. Every time.

Ike! Oscar! Ike! Oscar!

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Desuwa posted:


And that's why I'm the only person I know who actually uses Serra.
For me, Serra sorta depends if her Magic growth cooperates or not; if she get magic blessed in Lyn mode I use her, if she doesn't then she's probably benched. If she's magic blessed, then on promotion she turns into a hilariously powerful dodge tanker who is immune to basically every magic attack ever, it's great.

One thing that kinda irritates me with with Serra is just how goddamn long her supports take. I'm perfectly happy to spend 30 turns on a cleared map just doing "End Turn" for most unit's supports, but Serra's supports take a long time even doing that. What usually ends up happening is that half my army is maxed out on supports while Serra's just finally getting to B-level; I can't imagine how you'd get any of her supports playing quickly.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.


Just gotta fix that bridge...

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


theshim posted:

holy poo poo yes please :stare:
Yeah, Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. looks fun.

FPzero
Oct 20, 2008

Game Over
Return of Mido

Onmi posted:



Just gotta fix that bridge...

Is this from the custom tileset thing you mentioned to me the other night?

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

FPzero posted:

Is this from the custom tileset thing you mentioned to me the other night?

No, just editing palettes, oh right, I have more info on that to give you.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

mabels big day posted:

What should I be expecting in Fire Emblem 7. I know nothing about it other than people say that Hector is cool.

definitely the best and most cohesive story out of the lot.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

The Iron Rose posted:

definitely the best and most cohesive story out of the lot.

That... is not true. FE7 has a really cohesive story up until you get to the middle of the game and then it just sort of twiddles its thumbs before repeating the same climax at the end of the game.

I equate it to walking in on someone getting changed, everything was fine up until that point, getting in the car, heading down to their house, going to check on them.

And then you're just awkwardly sitting down, maybe looking at some of the things they got and then they go "Okay now we're ready."

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

The Iron Rose posted:

definitely the best and most cohesive story out of the lot.
Pretty much agreed. FE7's story flows in a way that some of the other games have problems with. FE8, FE9, and Awakening were close in having both a good and cohesive story but FE8 and Awakening have the problem of getting sidetracked in lots of random skirmishes and optional battles. (Of course, skirmishes/optional battles are nice for bringing fresh units up to speed and add some non-linearity to the game. It's all trade-offs.)

I still love that avatar by the way. Spinning Hector is awesome.:allears:
I'm sure there's no FE7 bias there, none at all.:v:

FPzero
Oct 20, 2008

Game Over
Return of Mido

FE7 is pretty basic as FEs go, but the game is built around that fact is a solid entry because of it. Yeah, it's on the easier side throughout most of the game but it is fun seeing huge numbers and crit chances on your side. One of these days I might actually play HHM, but probably not on the VC release because I don't really want to play through the game twice to unlock it.

Also, the GBA spritework is fantastic as always.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.


Thank you's must be given to CanofWorms who unlike me, can actually edit palettes without causing the game to collapse and cry

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Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Is Lyn Hard mode unlocked from the beginning in FE7? This is the deciding factor as to whether I will buy it a second time.

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