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Mr. Flunchy posted:QoS is one of the most ineptly edited big budget films I've ever seen. From moment one it's a torrent of 'what the gently caress were they thinking?' That opening car chase is almost dadaesque. I'm not sure if I read this right, but isn't there supposed to be another car involved in that chase, but in editing they cut around it completely so there's only the two, which is why everything is framed so strange and haphazardly.
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QoS was hosed from the point that someone saw Finding Neverland and said "that's our man"! Works for World War Z too.
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GonSmithe posted:Lmao are you for real? RT/Metacritic are awful metrics on whether something is good or not because 90% of the reviews on them are loving awful. They count IGN reviews in there, for God's sake. actually when the point you are trying to make is "this movie did not receive a warm critical reception," rottentomatoes scores are entirely relevant.
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From what I remember, Quantum of Solace's cast consider the movie to have been a casualty of the Writers' Strike. The film's first draft arrived a few hours before the protests began and Daniel Craig talks about having to rewrite portions of the script before shoots. The entire production was thrown off because no one had any idea of what they were doing. No one was happy with the results and very few people think it should have been released.
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QuoProQuid posted:From what I remember, Quantum of Solace's cast consider the movie to have been a casualty of the Writers' Strike. The film's first draft arrived a few hours before the protests began and Daniel Craig talks about having to rewrite portions of the script before shoots. The entire production was thrown off because no one had any idea of what they were doing. It's bizzare to me that you don't give in and accept putting things on hold at that point.
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MikeJF posted:It's bizzare to me that you don't give in and accept putting things on hold at that point. MGM declared bankruptcy a few years after Quantum, I imagine they were a bit on the desperate side.
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Dec 5, 2014 15:12
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The studios probably need to make sure they keep releasing movies, even if they're not as good as they could be. If they all waited for the strike to finish, they'd end up having a crowded field of movies and end up releasing competing films. Plus they probably figure it's cheaper to have the actors rewrite than have a couple of screenwriters on call.
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DrVenkman posted:I'm not sure if I read this right, but isn't there supposed to be another car involved in that chase, but in editing they cut around it completely so there's only the two, which is why everything is framed so strange and haphazardly. The idea it was a follow on sequel to Casino was developed during shooting, it wasn't in the draft, hence the really tacked on subplot of avenging Vesper as they were running into plot holes that needed to be filled. And then the strike lifted, so another writer came in to try and fix things leading to the really uneven plot and story. It was edited in tandem by two editors working at the same time as shots came in during shooting. One would act as an action editor and another as a drama and both would pickup where the other left off like a giant jigsaw, while sending off stuff to get confirmed with the director. A typical time for an edit could be 14 weeks. They had five an a half. As for the opening, there were four cars, but it got cheated down to two. But the problem was they had slightly over a month to get it wound up so the only way around was to reframe shots where possible, to really insane extremes where they're on the far far edge so you loose sight of what is being followed. So when you have a complex film locked into a schedule you pretty much have to run and gun with what you've got as the studio is being pressed by investors wanting their returns, etc etc. It's tricky to just ask for more time as this stuff gets worked out years in advance and often with some degree of strategy in order to not be outsold by competing films, or even a studio's own cataloge.
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WebDog posted:The QoS production was a huge mess due to all of the strikes and a rushed pre. It boiled down to Craig and Forester having to sort out plot scenes as they went along as they couldn't get in a writer to alter the first draft they had to work with. It wasn't meant as a cheaper option, legally they couldn't. Thanks for that, it explains a lot. Funnily enough it's similar as what happened to Star Trek. It's clear they're basically working off two different script drafts, because some of the Nero/time/dimension travel is muddled. There was no finished final script, so they just took parts of what worked from previous ones and sort of just figured it out. Marc Forrester has no luck at all. There's that great story that profiles Damon Lindelof coming in to fix World War Z.
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DrVenkman posted:Funnily enough it's similar as what happened to Star Trek. It's clear they're basically working off two different script drafts, because some of the Nero/time/dimension travel is muddled. Which bits?
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Yoshifan823 posted:MGM declared bankruptcy a few years after Quantum, I imagine they were a bit on the desperate side. I was working there at the time. They weren't desperate, they were run by morons. Seriously. Decision after decision that the rest of the industry practically belly laughed over. See: Making Tom Cruise a studio head for some reason. I still enjoyed QoS though so maybe it was one of those things where it caught me in the right mood.
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Hat Thoughts posted:Also, who cares about critical consensus Rotten Tomatoes is a measure of critical consensus, and as a result safe movies will outrate anything with even a bit of controversy. Metacritic is a random number, mostly made up by the people who run the site rather than coming from critics using methodology that would make any statistician reach for a gun, and has nothing to do with quality or critical consensus.
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Dec 5, 2014 16:42
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MikeJF posted:Which bits? I need to go back and watch again, but I'm pretty sure there's some conflicting information in what's shown in the movie and in the deleted scenes. But it's been a while since I've seen it.
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Dec 5, 2014 17:02
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I don't think so. They dropped a subplot in the deleted scenes that explained just what Nero had been up to for the ~25 years between his emergence and the movie (got captured by the klingons, stuck in a prison camp, plotted an escape) but there wasn't any conflict; they cut it out and you just assumed they hung out in space doing stuff.
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Dec 5, 2014 17:10
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Mr. Flunchy posted:That opening car chase is almost dadaesque. I need to rewatch QoS but I think the most bizarrely inept car chase was in Die Hard 5. That was something. It was like it was edited by someone from another planet.
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Random Stranger posted:Rotten Tomatoes is a measure of critical consensus, and as a result safe movies will outrate anything with even a bit of controversy. Metacritic is a random number, mostly made up by the people who run the site rather than coming from critics using methodology that would make any statistician reach for a gun, and has nothing to do with quality or critical consensus. Is there an alternative, forums user random stranger, that you think is more relevant than either of the two most popular sites that shows the general consensus of critics?
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He said that Rotten Tomatoes is good for finding a general critical consensus, just that those consensuses will always favor safe movies, on account of y'know, them being general critical consensuses. I don't understand what your problem is?
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It's really amazing how QoS managed to be so much better than Skyfall when you consider the cluster gently caress of its development. Everything from that CGI Komodo Dragon onwards just kept getting worse. I was hoping it would be a follow on from QoS where Bond is becoming less of a blunt instrument and is more precise and strategic. Once Bardem escaped I quit out of frustration, that whole sequence felt like an episode of Doctor Who. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Lizard Combatant posted:It's really amazing how QoS managed to be so much better than Skyfall when you consider the cluster gently caress of its development. Everything from that CGI Komodo Dragon onwards just kept getting worse. I would rather marathon the Roger Moore movies than watch Quorum of Bollocks for a second time. (Which reminds me, I must do exactly that next week when I have the house to myself.)
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Dec 6, 2014 00:43
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I'm really excited about what I can only assume will be a doc about all the Duffs I don't know. There's Hilary...there's Haylie...
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Dec 6, 2014 01:52
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Don't forget Mac
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Also Man.
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Jedit posted:I would rather marathon the Roger Moore movies than watch Quorum of Bollocks for a second time. It's not a good film. Skyfall just happened to be worse.
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Dec 6, 2014 02:40
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Skyfall rocks, you people are nuts.
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TheJoker138 posted:Skyfall rocks, you people are nuts. Isn't it like one person?
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My biggest problem with Skyfall is that the bad guy won and the movie doesn't acknowledge it. We're supposed to read the ending as triumphant, yet tinged with sadness. But the guy's only goal was to humiliate, ruin, and kill M. It would have taken about two lines changed for M to have retired because of the wounds but NOPE. And the movie acts like Bond somehow bested him. Also too referential and "the villain wanted to be caught" but that's a different problem.
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Yes. That's exactly what pissed me off about it! Also another god drat bullshit computer plot. If the whole movie was just Silva's first scene, then it would have been amazing.
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Between Skyfall being one giant 50th Anniversary wink-fest and the upcoming movie reintroducing Blofeld and SPECTRE I really appreciate that Craig's Bond movies have gone the opposite direction of the rest of Hollywood and gotten less grim and realistic and more silly and campy as they go on without going completely to poo poo the way Brosnan did with Die Another Day.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:I'm really excited about what I can only assume will be a doc about all the Duffs I don't know. There's Hilary...there's Haylie... Duff means "Designated Ugly Fat Friend", right?
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Dec 6, 2014 08:16
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TeamJesus posted:Duff means "Designated Ugly Fat Friend", right? Yes. It's hard to make out but each word is on its respective letter on the poster.
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Dec 6, 2014 08:20
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But wait. Nobody on that poster is ugly or fat. That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense at all! PANDEMONIUM!
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Speleothing posted:My biggest problem with Skyfall is that the bad guy won and the movie doesn't acknowledge it. We're supposed to read the ending as triumphant, yet tinged with sadness. But the guy's only goal was to humiliate, ruin, and kill M. It would have taken about two lines changed for M to have retired because of the wounds but NOPE. And the movie acts like Bond somehow bested him. The ending is pretty drat sad until the last 30 seconds.
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Gonz posted:But wait. Nobody on that poster is ugly or fat. That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense at all! PANDEMONIUM! Well, duh. It's a Hollywood movie.
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Dec 6, 2014 08:25
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It's a remake of she's all that basically.
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Dec 6, 2014 08:25
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Just remake the 1987 classic Dorf On Golf and be done with it already, Hollywood executives. Research has shown that 56% of left-handed teens LOVE the Dorf character, and Tim Conway in general. They also love the color Chartreuse and hanging at the mall with their best pals.
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Gonz posted:But wait. Nobody on that poster is ugly or fat. That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense at all! PANDEMONIUM! The one that is apparently a duff has got eyebrows, like a Hollywood Russian.
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But if I have one I also know one.
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TeamJesus posted:Duff means "Designated Ugly Fat Friend", right? Just once I'd like them to make this movie with someone who's actually fat.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Just once I'd like them to make this movie with someone who's actually fat. Studio Executive: "Melissa McCarthy could totally play a high school student!"
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Studio Executive: "Melissa McCarthy could totally play a high school student!" It would definitely be Rebel Wilson.
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