Pvt.Scott posted:Fanfic is a grand human tradition stretching back in time before the advent of the written word. Anyway carry on with the Yudding.
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 19:53 |
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Nah, it's just weird that in 1000 years some Harry Potter fanfic might be considered part of the canon.
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 20:30 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:Nah, it's just weird that in 1000 years some Harry Potter fanfic might be considered part of the canon. You think we'll remember Harry Potter in a thousand years?
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 21:01 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:Fanfic is a grand human tradition stretching back in time before the advent of the written word. Storytellers have always used the ideas and works of others, especially characters, to inspire them and to reach an audience familiar to the original stories. The myths and legends of Coyote and Heracles and Moses that are accepted in modern times as canon are just collated and edited fanfic of the original tales. Some dude didn't just sit down one day and write the myths of the Greek gods as a complete work. Somebody just decided to write down what the countless storytellers and socially stunted hermits were making up. What we're left with is a curated "best fanfic of 387 b.c.e." anthology. This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 21:27 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:Nah, it's just weird that in 1000 years some Harry Potter fanfic might be considered part of the canon. This is second place though
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 21:27 |
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Have people not been retelling and changing stories throughout history? No story is created whole cloth.
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 21:42 |
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It is truly ironic that Homer wrote fanfiction of his favourite Greeks and likewise, in Marge gets hosed by everyone in Springfield I have written fanfiction of HOmer.
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 21:46 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:Have people not been retelling and changing stories throughout history? No story is created whole cloth. When you think about it, whenever you speak you are doing fanfiction with words that other people have made up.
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 21:47 |
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CestMoi posted:It is truly ironic that Homer wrote fanfiction of his favourite Greeks and likewise, in Marge gets hosed by everyone in Springfield I have written fanfiction of HOmer. See? This guy gets it.
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Pvt.Scott posted:Have people not been retelling and changing stories throughout history? No story is created whole cloth. Homer did not think he was writing about fictional characters created by another author - and the Greek gods and heros were not invented by any particular author, they were actual beliefs held by many people. Myths and religious beliefs are not the same thing as fiction, edgy atheist comments notwithstanding. (and while I'm sure you could dig up some nut online who actually seriously believes Hogwarts is a real place, that's not really the same thing as beliefs held on a cultural or social level) Nessus posted:I've heard this a poo poo ton lately and I'd actually say it has it backwards. "Creative remixing," "writing in a shared setting," whatever you want to call it has had a long tradition dating back into the immemorial past. Saying that all of this is retroactively "fanfic" seems like looking at the history of human water transport from the first dugout canoes up through the navies of World War II and saying, "Container transports are a grand human tradition. Look at all of the containers those boats transported!" Also this. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Feb 23, 2015 |
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everyone here from phiz is mad
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 22:03 |
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Raspy, I think you are mad.
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 22:05 |
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i can't be made mad
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Nessus posted:I've heard this a poo poo ton lately and I'd actually say it has it backwards. "Creative remixing," "writing in a shared setting," whatever you want to call it has had a long tradition dating back into the immemorial past. Saying that all of this is retroactively "fanfic" seems like looking at the history of human water transport from the first dugout canoes up through the navies of World War II and saying, "Container transports are a grand human tradition. Look at all of the containers those boats transported!" It's a purposefully flippant and simplistic interpretation of history through a modern lens, I'll admit. Fan Fiction in the Internet Age is really its own beast; a terribly written, cum-soaked beast.
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 22:18 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:It's a purposefully flippant and simplistic interpretation of history through a modern lens, I'll admit. Fan Fiction in the Internet Age is really its own beast; a terribly written, cum-soaked beast. poo poo, man, you ever read Ovid?
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Pvt.Scott posted:See? This guy gets it.
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 22:28 |
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If decent Harry has appeared for 2/3 chapters (including the first) and obnoxious Harry has appeared for only 1, then shouldn't the chapters with the obnoxious Harry be considered the ones written by a guest author, at least so far? (obligatory im gay)
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# ? Feb 23, 2015 22:35 |
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Harry is the author's best guess at what a human is like.
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 01:23 |
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petrol blue posted:Harry is the author's best guess at what the author to a fellow human is like. FTFY
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 01:29 |
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So apparently this was on a Berkley reading list for a fanfic course? There's some pretty great tumblr drama over the course, since apparently you're not supposed to give fanfic reviews with constructive criticism.
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Tunicate posted:So apparently this was on a Berkley reading list for a fanfic course? If there's one thing people should do in school that they don't do now, it's learning how to properly give and take a critique. Art classes in college were funny when everyone seized up at critique time.
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 03:03 |
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From the latest chapter:HPMoR posted:"What else is Dumbledore to think, that you are an actor in a play whose stupid author has never met a real eleven-year-old? Only a gibbering dullard with a skull full of flaming monkey vomit would think - ah, never mind." Guys I don't think he likes us.
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Added Space posted:From the latest chapter:
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 05:35 |
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What is 'like'? Is 'like' rational?
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The only rational emotion is a detached smug disdain.
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Chapter 4: The Efficient Market Hypothesisquote:
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Totally a 10-year old, yup. Totally. quote:
It's a children's book about going to magic school and riding on broomsticks and fighting evil wizards! Sheesh! quote:
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Why do you even need a Fermi calculation, or any kind of calculation, when you can simply ask the banker right next to you how many coins you have and how much they weigh? quote:
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You really would, Griphook. Do it. Do it! Lock him in the vault! quote:
Awww. He missed the chance.
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 17:08 |
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Jesus h christ that was annoying. How drae a book about wizards and broomsticks not have a functioning bank system! Though you must wonder how many of these supposed "fkaws" in Rowling's writing are really her fault and how much of it is yudkowski putting words in characters' mouths to make them look stupid next to harry. Also, I just thought of something from chapter 1. Why does harry still have the same squib neighbor as he did in the books? Am I to believe that a super rich scientist teacher dad is going to live in the suburbs of little whinging?
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 19:34 |
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Is his dad rich? I was getting "pretentious douche with airs", but that might just be the, uh, default.
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petrol blue posted:Is his dad rich? I was getting "pretentious douche with airs", but that might just be the, uh, default.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Jesus h christ that was annoying. How drae a book about wizards and broomsticks not have a functioning bank system! Though you must wonder how many of these supposed "fkaws" in Rowling's writing are really her fault and how much of it is yudkowski putting words in characters' mouths to make them look stupid next to harry. As for the latter I doubt he's super rich. Assuming he's a tenured professor or something, that's good money but it's middle/upper middle, not super posh Richie Rich. I think in the books Harry's family were solidly middle class - he wasn't in a state of material want, just emotionally so.
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 21:26 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Jesus h christ that was annoying. How drae a book about wizards and broomsticks not have a functioning bank system! Though you must wonder how many of these supposed "fkaws" in Rowling's writing are really her fault and how much of it is yudkowski putting words in characters' mouths to make them look stupid next to harry. Yeah. It's easy to make characters stupid and then say 'lol you are stupid' If you want to do something clever, come up with a convincing reason WHY something works as it does (even if it doesn't seem like it should on the surface level). Like, The Strange Disappearance of SallyAnne Perks, for instance, explains why a really minnor character mysteriously vanishes midway through the series. Instead of just pointing and saying 'lol it is dumb that rowling forgot a character I am SMRT smart'.
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 21:35 |
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The disappearance of a student at Hogwarts is no mystery. The school has more than enough money and political clout to cover up the occasional student death.
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 22:06 |
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^^It's a "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" type of critique, particularly since Rowling sort of makes a point of keeping a large roster of characters going (and then killing many of them in the last book). It's still kind of an absurd mystery (disguised as criticism) but at the very least it fits with the...spirit, I guess...of the novels. This dreck certainly does not. EDIT: On further reading I take it back, the story becomes a mystery in its own right. It even covers a few plot holes Rowling left in. Yeah who honestly gave a poo poo about the banking system. It was there to be cool and to say "this kid has money, our plot moves along" poo poo I just thought of what would happen if Big Yud gave Three Parts Dead this sort of treatment. It'd be totally insufferable. That book also loves its tangents, but those are actually interesting as opposed to this. He'd probably make me wanna strangle Tara, even if she was originally a good protagonist Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Jesus h christ that was annoying. How drae a book about wizards and broomsticks not have a functioning bank system! Though you must wonder how many of these supposed "fkaws" in Rowling's writing are really her fault and how much of it is yudkowski putting words in characters' mouths to make them look stupid next to harry. I'm pretty sure the flaws in Rowling's books stem from "she is not an economist, nor did she think she would need to consult an economist to explain a background detail in a children's book about magic and wizards." Yudkowski sure showed her, didn't he?
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm pretty sure the flaws in Rowling's books stem from "she is not an economist, nor did she think she would need to consult an economist to explain a background detail in a children's book about magic and wizards." Well maybe she ought to have if she doesn't want Hogwarts to fold due to crushing debt as repair and reconstruction costs vastly outweigh any income from tuition, especially as enrollment drops to an all time low as having a lot of murders and dark lords showing up is not good pr.
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# ? Feb 24, 2015 23:15 |
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I would no poo poo read a story about a magical banker who helps run a wizard bank and goes on banking adventures, though. Exploring what the 'normal' world is like for wizbiz would be lots of fun, because much like school, I imagine their banking is full of hilarious misadventures.
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Night10194 posted:I would no poo poo read a story about a magical banker who helps run a wizard bank and goes on banking adventures, though. Exploring what the 'normal' world is like for wizbiz would be lots of fun, because much like school, I imagine their banking is full of hilarious misadventures. what is a "banking adventure"?
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Earwicker posted:what is a "banking adventure"? Hostile takeovers and repo jobs, mostly.
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Night10194 posted:I would no poo poo read a story about a magical banker who helps run a wizard bank and goes on banking adventures, though. Exploring what the 'normal' world is like for wizbiz would be lots of fun, because much like school, I imagine their banking is full of hilarious misadventures. Terry Pratchet's Making Money is sort of this. The Craft Trilogy is this but about equity (except instead of money it's your soul)
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