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I also like Kaladin because he's another contrast to the current leads. Each of them having their own flavour keeps all the rest in check. Kaladin would be frustrating to read if Shallan wasn't around and equally, Kaladin keeps Shallan from becoming overbearing in her cheery nature.Pwnstar posted:Like the part where he and Shallan are having their adventure they overcome adversity and grow to like each other a bit and you are thinking ok cool, Kaladin is moving on yay. Then he sees that she is engaged to Adolin and he immediately regresses to thinking she's just another lighteyes who only cares about power and money etc etc. Uhhh, i dont think that book ends on Kaladin keeping that opinion about the two of them?
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I didn't mind Kaladin's depression too much but I understand where it's coming from. It's very frustrating having a protagonist that chooses the wrong path repeatedly, because a person loses the investment they had in that character. I don't believe it's a fascist "mental illness doesn't exist" attitude. "Fool makes wrong decisions repeatedly and causes bad things to happen" is a comedic device that doesn't fit a protagonist in a fantasy novel. Kaladin's situation isn't on that level but it's frustrating to read about how he gets that really sweet gig as Dalinar's bodyguard but isn't happy about it. That's where the angsty teen joke comes from, good things keep happening to him and he keeps complaining about it.
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# ? Mar 6, 2015 19:01 |
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I'll take a possibly unpopular opinion and say that I read books for escapism. I don't want to read about depressing material because (a) I associate it with what I was forced to read as a student, and (b) I can go to D&D, read virtually any geographical or politics-related thread and get my fill of depression. I read door stopper epic fantasy because I want to read about larger-than-life characters being more than I could be. Sadly, getting stuck in a depressive loop is altogether too mundane.
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# ? Mar 6, 2015 21:41 |
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I suppose I'll echo "me too" in saying that i like Kaladin. He's fighting depression. As a former overly-emo teenager, I can relate to him so I empathize with him and enjoy reading about him.
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# ? Mar 6, 2015 23:38 |
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Wow, can't believe I'm the first to post this, but Sanderson just revised a major plot point at the end of WoR in upcoming paperbacks and future prints. Quote from his blog post.Brandon Sanderson Facebook posted:
He also revised a bit of Elantris, but that seems to mostly be about making that locations events take place jive with a new better map that he made. LASER BEAM DREAM fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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How interesting. Has something like this happened before with print-run books? Sure i've heard of Retconning before, but i dont remember any author outright tinkering with an already printed book because "It doesn't work."
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Thyrork posted:How interesting. Has something like this happened before with print-run books? Sure i've heard of Retconning before, but i dont remember any author outright tinkering with an already printed book because "It doesn't work." I wonder if people who have the ebooks will get a revised version pushed out.
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NinjaDebugger posted:I wonder if people who have the ebooks will get a revised version pushed out. Same. Hopefully he'll also just put it up on his website with the prior version and a detailed thought process behind it.
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Thyrork posted:How interesting. Has something like this happened before with print-run books? Sure i've heard of Retconning before, but i dont remember any author outright tinkering with an already printed book because "It doesn't work." The Hobbit pre Lord of the Rings the gollum scene was massively different. It was explained in canon as Bilbo lying because of the ring.
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# ? Mar 7, 2015 00:46 |
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Thyrork posted:How interesting. Has something like this happened before with print-run books? Sure i've heard of Retconning before, but i dont remember any author outright tinkering with an already printed book because "It doesn't work." Stephen King went back and rewrote massive portions of the first book of his Dark Tower series. Of course, he did it like 30 years after it was originally published, and he did it explicitly to retcon a bunch of stuff and make the first book fit in better with where the series eventually ended up.
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# ? Mar 7, 2015 01:33 |
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Thyrork posted:How interesting. Has something like this happened before with print-run books? Sure i've heard of Retconning before, but i dont remember any author outright tinkering with an already printed book because "It doesn't work." The second to last Midkemia book by Ray Feist had an entire story arc where one character was involved in something. Then suddenly in the next chapter it was his son instead who was involved in the same something and not him. They pushed out a correction so that the right character was involved in the right action, but not before I read the drat thing and got really confused.
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Victorkm posted:The second to last Midkemia book by Ray Feist had an entire story arc where one character was involved in something. Then suddenly in the next chapter it was his son instead who was involved in the same something and not him. They pushed out a correction so that the right character was involved in the right action, but not before I read the drat thing and got really confused. There's also some changes in Prince of the Blood and a few other books, though I only have the original Riftwar books in paper and the rest are ebooks. Feist has a few inconsistencies in his series and he manages to play down a few, the Dread have several very clear adjustments along the way and Tal's baby daughter simply doesn't exist any more in the Chaoswar books unless we're to assume Ty simply lies about his mom not being able to have had any more kids, or that Ty has a normal name and his Orosini name is never used in the later books. e: Maybe it's balanced out by a character in the Chaoswar books being the son of Gorath, whom I' am certain mentions on more than one occasion that all of his sons are dead as a result of the attack on Amengar and Sethanon. If the mixup you're referring to involves that character I can only imagine how utterly confusing that had to be before it was corrected. Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Thyrork posted:How interesting. Has something like this happened before with print-run books? Sure i've heard of Retconning before, but i dont remember any author outright tinkering with an already printed book because "It doesn't work." Sure. Charles Dickens did it with his serial novels once they were published as single book (Pip remained very clearly single originally in Great Expectations for example). Often to change things the audience didn't like. Which why all the" artistic integrity is now dead"-poo poo during the Mass Effect 3 ending change annoyed me to no end. Changing stuff because the original didn't work or wasn't liked by the audience happens all the time and for centuries. Decius fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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What's the most advanced tech in a Sanderson book?
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# ? Mar 7, 2015 19:30 |
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amuayse posted:What's the most advanced tech in a Sanderson book? Spaceships from Sixth of the Dusk, probably.
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# ? Mar 7, 2015 19:37 |
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Tunicate posted:Spaceships from Sixth of the Dusk, probably. From book probably but he had that short story about the guy not living up to his older brothers military genius.
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Evil Fluffy posted:There's also some changes in Prince of the Blood and a few other books, though I only have the original Riftwar books in paper and the rest are ebooks. Feist has a few inconsistencies in his series and he manages to play down a few, the Dread have several very clear adjustments along the way and Tal's baby daughter simply doesn't exist any more in the Chaoswar books unless we're to assume Ty simply lies about his mom not being able to have had any more kids, or that Ty has a normal name and his Orosini name is never used in the later books. Nah, it was Pug and Magnus. In the first half of that particular storyline Pug was hanging out with some Paladin chick from a religious order and IIRC someone else and they were investigating some Pandathian remnants which were for some reason in the middle of Krondor in a fortress and who were waiting for Pug to show up and find this item which ended up trapping him. Then in the next chapter Pug shows up to try to save Magnus from the trap he was in.
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Hughlander posted:From book probably but he had that short story about the guy not living up to his older brothers military genius. Firstborn, and yes, easily his most advanced tech, though not (to the best of my knowledge) Cosmere. Also, excellent, and Sanderson should write more short fiction and more scifi.
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Victorkm posted:Nah, it was Pug and Magnus. In the first half of that particular storyline Pug was hanging out with some Paladin chick from a religious order and IIRC someone else and they were investigating some Pandathian remnants which were for some reason in the middle of Krondor in a fortress and who were waiting for Pug to show up and find this item which ended up trapping him. Then in the next chapter Pug shows up to try to save Magnus from the trap he was in. Sounds like the Isle of Serpents stuff. Even reading the ebook with that fixed it still was kinda By the end of the Riftwar books I found myself being more interested in the stuff Dasher, Hal, and Caleb's boys were doing than the enclave and its fairly over the top stuff.
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# ? Mar 9, 2015 00:26 |
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Feist was solidly my favorite author as a teenager, so I've spent a bit of time thinking about this. He does best when he keeps it small. I think the early Riftwar books (focusing on Pug or Jimmy or Arutha) were good, then a couple of the Serpentwar (focusing on Erik and Roo), then the one that focuses on Tal was good too. It's when he goes nuts delving into the various levels of hell and destroying worlds by slinging moons at them that it gets pretty unbearable. He tends to do what I call a "reverse Deus Ex Macchina". Every bad-guy is the biggest, most powerful being in the known universe. This means that subsequent books have to invent an even bigger and badder entity in order to top it.
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The Kelewan books were my favorites actually.
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Torrannor posted:The Kelewan books were my favorites actually. Servant of the Empire is the only series I haven't read because you get it in ebook form anywhere (if you're in the US) short of apparently. The every-growing thing with the big baddie was the downside to the Riftwar stuff(also the back and forth on Valheru), but yeah Serpentwar focus on Erik and Roo was solid stuff. e: Riftwar basically suffers from DBZ syndrome. Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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It's one of his best, IMHO. It upholds the "smaller in scope is better" principal, but the co-author (Janny Wurts) really adds something to it as well. I really enjoyed it.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 01:23 |
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Torrannor posted:The Kelewan books were my favorites actually. That's likely because his wife is a significantly better writer. It does get a bit "Why is this fantasy novel just the Meiji Restoration" though.
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syphon posted:It's one of his best, IMHO. It upholds the "smaller in scope is better" principal, but the co-author (Janny Wurts) really adds something to it as well. I really enjoyed it. This. I'm a big fan of the collective pew pew pew adventures of Pug and Co., but the Tsurani trilogy is my favorite of his works.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 05:50 |
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I didn't see this mentioned yet - Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell is now available as a stand-alone e-book, it's $3 in the kindle store.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 13:32 |
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I just wish they'd go ahead an publish the UK Covers for Sanderson books in the US. I hate spending the extra to import them over. I just saw the covers for Firefight and it's beautiful.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:16 |
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This Post Sucks posted:I just wish they'd go ahead an publish the UK Covers for Sanderson books in the US. I hate spending the extra to import them over.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 22:58 |
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I've gotten to the part in the Way of Kings where Jasnah kills the muggers. I don't know why, but the whole scene seemed to be something out of a greentext story on /k/ rather than something that was supposed to be serious. I almost expecting her to start waving her Soulcaster in the local guards' faces and start shouting "AM I BEING DETAINED!?". Does Jasnah become more interesting as the story goes along because she lost a lot of mystery after she took on Shallan as her ward.
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amuayse posted:I've gotten to the part in the Way of Kings where Jasnah kills the muggers. I don't know why, but the whole scene seemed to be something out of a greentext story on /k/ rather than something that was supposed to be serious. I almost expecting her to start waving her Soulcaster in the local guards' faces and start shouting "AM I BEING DETAINED!?". Does Jasnah become more interesting as the story goes along because she lost a lot of mystery after she took on Shallan as her ward. Jasnah is absolutely unsufferably smug and entitled most of the time. You rarely see a break in that facade.
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# ? Mar 11, 2015 06:49 |
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Jasnah is basically the original smug atheist. I just imagine her walking everywhere saying "I am euphoric" over and over again.
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amuayse posted:I've gotten to the part in the Way of Kings where Jasnah kills the muggers. I don't know why, but the whole scene seemed to be something out of a greentext story on /k/ rather than something that was supposed to be serious. I almost expecting her to start waving her Soulcaster in the local guards' faces and start shouting "AM I BEING DETAINED!?". Does Jasnah become more interesting as the story goes along because she lost a lot of mystery after she took on Shallan as her ward. Jasnah's the classic smug noble, married to her cause. I feel she does get more interesting as it goes on and more is shown of her past and present. Stormlight Archives doesn't really have anyone whos just likeable, each and every character is critically flawed in certain ways. Its an important detail, and not in some whimsy "writers advice, real characters are flawed" way either.
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# ? Mar 11, 2015 13:54 |
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Thyrork posted:Stormlight Archives doesn't really have anyone whos just likeable Rock and Lopen.
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# ? Mar 11, 2015 18:42 |
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Dravs posted:Jasnah is basically the original smug atheist. I just imagine her walking everywhere saying "I am euphoric" over and over again. But she's justified in behaving like that, based on what's been revealed so far. Can't wait for more books.
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# ? Mar 11, 2015 19:46 |
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Captain Monkey posted:Rock and Lopen. This (wo?)man gets it.
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# ? Mar 12, 2015 00:05 |
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Captain Monkey posted:Rock and Lopen. Ah... Hmmm. You know, you got me there.
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# ? Mar 12, 2015 00:30 |
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AMA is live! http://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/2ytg2h/im_novelist_brandon_sanderson_ama/
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# ? Mar 12, 2015 23:04 |
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I made up new numbers, but here are some very interesting quotes from that AMA. Beware of spoilers, I guess:quote:1. Can an Awakened form a nahel bond with a spren on Roshar? Brandon Sanderson posted:1. Depends on the spren! I'm off to bed, will take a stab at interpreting these tomorrow.
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# ? Mar 12, 2015 23:34 |
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Looks like he'll keep answering questions for a while, so if anyone wants to get in some , now's the time.
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I have not been paying attention to all the cosmere theorizing lately - what in the world is a Perpendicularity?
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