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boom boom boom posted:Shira Calpurnia does nothing, while the plot is advanced by scenes of arrogant jerks having conversations far away from where Shira Calpurnia is. Then at the end she gets just involved enough with the story to mess everything up. She isn't bad at her job though? The second book ending the way it does is obviously a failure, but it's not a failure she causes.
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She's terrible at her job, the entire first book is about how she absolutely refuses to adapt to the new planet she's been assigned to. And wrt the ending of the second book, her job was to make sure that the transfer of the Rogue Trader license bearing a drop of the Emperor's blood went smoothly. It ended up falling into the loving Warp. That is absolutely her failure.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:55
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Reading the night lords omnibus. Three things: 1. These loveable slaves are gonna die horribly. 2. Cyrion: heretic, traitor, night Lord, friendliest guy in the galaxy. Is probably going to die horribly. 3. Hearing people refer to the tyrant of badab as 'Lord Huron' is hilarious considering how in real life Lord Huron is a folk singer and about as far away from a murderous space pirate as you can get.
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Mar 6, 2015 05:50
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Speaking of Blackheart, are there any other books that really deal with the Red Corsairs? Apart from the Forgeworld Badab War supplements and Night Lords. For a group that is allegedly the second largest renegade force in the galaxy after Abaddon's host, there isn't much written about the space pirates. And that's a shame. because they're SPACE PIRATES, and they steal more poo poo than the Blood Ravens.
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Mar 6, 2015 06:38
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Arcsquad12 posted:Speaking of Blackheart, are there any other books that really deal with the Red Corsairs? Apart from the Forgeworld Badab War supplements and Night Lords. For a group that is allegedly the second largest renegade force in the galaxy after Abaddon's host, there isn't much written about the space pirates. And that's a shame. because they're SPACE PIRATES, and they steal more poo poo than the Blood Ravens. More? Yes, technically true. But the Bloody Magpies steal BETTER poo poo.
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Mar 6, 2015 07:54
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:Just saw the email for the final Gotrek & Felix book. Kind of a bummer- of course they announced the series was winding down before they started to end the entire fantasy universe but it was still a fun series. wait, what
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Mar 6, 2015 12:36
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:Just saw the email for the final Gotrek & Felix book. Kind of a bummer- of course they announced the series was winding down before they started to end the entire fantasy universe but it was still a fun series. Yeah, but I think it's time. And this doesn't rule out short stories - I'm sure they can write plenty of stuff regarding short adventures the two have had over the years.
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Mar 6, 2015 13:36
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So I started on the Horus Heresy and I'm having mixed feelings about it. At first Horus comes off as surprisingly likeable and the one rational peacemaker in a world of violence. And then he flips on a dime as early as book 2. With 30 books or so in the series then I expected at least a third of it or even half of it being dedicated to building him as a character before things went sour. But so far I really like it anyway.
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Mar 6, 2015 13:47
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Zephyrine posted:So I started on the Horus Heresy and I'm having mixed feelings about it. The Series is about the Heresy as a whole, not just Horus' part in it. He's not even the primarch that starts the whole thing, or even really the most important part, just the figurehead. Most of the other books don't really have anything to do with Horus and his boys at all, actually.
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Mar 6, 2015 14:03
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boom boom boom posted:She's terrible at her job, the entire first book is about how she absolutely refuses to adapt to the new planet she's been assigned to. And wrt the ending of the second book, her job was to make sure that the transfer of the Rogue Trader license bearing a drop of the Emperor's blood went smoothly. It ended up falling into the loving Warp. That is absolutely her failure. 
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Mar 6, 2015 14:35
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Zephyrine posted:So I started on the Horus Heresy and I'm having mixed feelings about it. I think the problem is that GW originally intended the HH series to be a very limited run of like half a dozen books or something. The series blew up out of the gate and left them scrambling for additional filler titles (Nemesis) while they figured out a way to rework their plan and stretch things out to the more plodding pace we have now.
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Mar 6, 2015 16:19
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berzerkmonkey posted:I think the problem is that GW originally intended the HH series to be a very limited run of like half a dozen books or something. The series blew up out of the gate and left them scrambling for additional filler titles (Nemesis) while they figured out a way to rework their plan and stretch things out to the more plodding pace we have now. Yeah this. They moved things along quick and was expecting a dozen books tops. But GW saw how well they were selling and decided to just never finish the loving series and draw it out forever.
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Mar 6, 2015 16:31
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Philthy posted:Yeah this. They moved things along quick and was expecting a dozen books tops. But GW saw how well they were selling and decided to just never finish the loving series and draw it out forever. That must be quite a feat considering that everything has already happened lore wise. They started the series and we know how it ends. All they can do now is fill up the middle. Since I just started it and is working my way up the ladder. Is the series finished?
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Mar 6, 2015 16:41
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Zephyrine posted:That must be quite a feat considering that everything has already happened lore wise. They started the series and we know how it ends. All they can do now is fill up the middle.
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Mar 6, 2015 17:06
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berzerkmonkey posted:No, and I don't imagine it will be for at least another 5 or 6 years. But but but... The whole event already happened! We already know how it ends! They can't drag out a story that already happened...
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Mar 6, 2015 17:09
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Well they are finally at loving Tallarn, which is basically the main deal of Act 3 of a possible 5 (pre-Heresy/Start of Heresy, Opening Heresy, Moving to Terra, Siege of Terra Begins, Siege of Terra Ends). There aren't any major battles left after Tallarn and before Terra, are there?
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Mar 6, 2015 17:20
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VanSandman posted:Well they are finally at loving Tallarn, which is basically the main deal of Act 3 of a possible 5 (pre-Heresy/Start of Heresy, Opening Heresy, Moving to Terra, Siege of Terra Begins, Siege of Terra Ends). There aren't any major battles left after Tallarn and before Terra, are there? The reclamation of Mars, probably. Don't expect the series to end with Terra, though. There's still a lot of Heresy to get through: the Iron Cage, Eskrador, etc.
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Mar 6, 2015 17:45
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There aren't any major battles that we've heard of before. But there's plenty of room for them to make up new side conflicts that were "forgotten to history" like the entirety of the Unremembered Empire...
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Mar 6, 2015 17:56
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Maybe this is a translation issue for me but why did Horus shot that emissary in the face? Something about machines?
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Mar 6, 2015 18:06
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Zephyrine posted:But but but... The whole event already happened! We already know how it ends! They can't drag out a story that already happened... You could write one novel for each day of World War Two - that event already happened and you know how it ends. GW has the benefit of being able to make stuff up for each of the days between the Heresy's breakout and end.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:07
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Zephyrine posted:Maybe this is a translation issue for me but why did Horus shot that emissary in the face? He learned they had a functioning STC, meaning his attack was actually kind of justifiable given how badly the Imperium and the Mechanicum seek after them, if I remember correctly.
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Mar 6, 2015 18:18
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What are the best books for the background fluff on the Heresy outside of the novels? Just the rulebooks, codexes (codices?), or White Dwarf -- a painful combination of all these?
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Mar 6, 2015 18:24
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Sulecrist posted:He learned they had a functioning STC, meaning his attack was actually kind of justifiable given how badly the Imperium and the Mechanicum seek after them, if I remember correctly. Huh. I had never heard about those things.
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Sulecrist posted:He learned they had a functioning STC, meaning his attack was actually kind of justifiable given how badly the Imperium and the Mechanicum seek after them, if I remember correctly. To expound on this slightly and provide some background: Horus asked the Auretian emissary if they had made all of their technology using an STC system. An STC system is an incredibly rare piece of technology which contains detailed and easy to follow plans for a vast array of devices, sometimes including designs for powerful lost technology. Horus, by this point, had already begun to formulate his plans for rebellion, and planned to use this system as a bargaining chip to sway the Mechanicum to his side (or at least some of the Mechanicum).
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Mar 6, 2015 18:38
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DirtyRobot posted:What are the best books for the background fluff on the Heresy outside of the novels? Just the rulebooks, codexes (codices?), or White Dwarf -- a painful combination of all these? Unless you can find the old Horus Heresy branded version of Epic I guess?
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Arquinsiel posted:The last. Yeah, that was "Space Marine" I believe. I can still remember a nice bit of fluff from that game with an Ultrasmurf captain losing his poo poo because the Word Bearers were kicking his rear end. It had some decent game advice hidden in the fluff too...don't hide in buildings too long or else the building will get blown up and everyone will die.
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Mar 6, 2015 19:32
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The Forgeworld books are really interesting but they're also something around $100 each.
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VanSandman posted:Well they are finally at loving Tallarn, which is basically the main deal of Act 3 of a possible 5 (pre-Heresy/Start of Heresy, Opening Heresy, Moving to Terra, Siege of Terra Begins, Siege of Terra Ends). Speaking of which, has anyone read Ironclad? I'm actually kind of looking forward to reading about the battle for Tallarn. Any goon reviews?
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Arquinsiel posted:The last. Yeah, though there really isn't much out there prior to the BL books, other than a few two page shorts. If I remember correctly, there was Horus and the Emperor on Horus' flagship and the Siege at the Gates of Terra, and that's it. I've got a PDF of the old Space Marine rulebook, but I'm guessing it would be  to post a link to (especially since it is GW...)If you can beg, borrow, or steal them, the FW books are really, really good for HH fluff.
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No one gives a poo poo about a thirty year old PDF.
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Especially since the part GW most cares about, the rules, are available updated and for free on a public website and no one cares. GW has long since abandoned the epic game and, in fact, pretty much every game except 40k and WFB itself. I sincerely doubt you'll get any flak for putting up a decades old version of rules GW doesn't care about anymore.
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I've read Andy Hoare's Rogue Trader books. Apart from the fact they are two books of an unfinished series I have to say they are quite boring. Maybe I just don't like the setting: Damocles Crusade against the Tau. Quite disappointing for me all the same.
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Riso posted:I've read Andy Hoare's Rogue Trader books. Those RT books were some of the only 40k novels that were so bad I had to put it away & not finish it. The first like chapter was just criminally bad.
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I randomly (it was a friends copy) read the second Damocles book. I quite enjoyed it. The Rogue Trader subplot was pretty dull. Most of it however is Space Marines first contact with the Tau and battle culture shock when meeting AI Drones, stealth suits and of course Railguns! etc.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Speaking of Blackheart, are there any other books that really deal with the Red Corsairs? Apart from the Forgeworld Badab War supplements and Night Lords. For a group that is allegedly the second largest renegade force in the galaxy after Abaddon's host, there isn't much written about the space pirates. And that's a shame. because they're SPACE PIRATES, and they steal more poo poo than the Blood Ravens. Huron appears in the Skull Harvest as the OG sponsoring the event. It's not a great story, but it's interesting. The Maesltrom really comes off as a huge regional empire brimming with xenos, warbands and other freaks. Other than that, I don't think it appears in any books. Which is a shame. It's a nice setting for a book about a young traitor trying to assemble his warband, or a covert imperial agent/Harlequin/Dark Angel chasing a key heretic to get into all sorts of weird trouble.
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boom boom boom posted:She's terrible at her job, the entire first book is about how she absolutely refuses to adapt to the new planet she's been assigned to. And wrt the ending of the second book, her job was to make sure that the transfer of the Rogue Trader license bearing a drop of the Emperor's blood went smoothly. It ended up falling into the loving Warp. That is absolutely her failure. She's an Arbites, adaptation is for traitors. They're the harsh unyielding justice of the Emperor, applying the law without fear or favor. I mean death of the author etc., but Calpurnia is supposed to be seen as being good at her job. Did you think the books were ironic?
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Deptfordx posted:I randomly (it was a friends copy) read the second Damocles book. I quite enjoyed it. The Rogue Trader subplot was pretty dull. Most of it however is Space Marines first contact with the Tau and battle culture shock when meeting AI Drones, stealth suits and of course Railguns! etc. Speaking of Damocles, the recent anthology by the same name has some really good stuff on White Scars vs Tau in it. The first story is mediocre, but the rest is really solid stuff.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Speaking of Blackheart, are there any other books that really deal with the Red Corsairs? Apart from the Forgeworld Badab War supplements and Night Lords. For a group that is allegedly the second largest renegade force in the galaxy after Abaddon's host, there isn't much written about the space pirates. And that's a shame. because they're SPACE PIRATES, and they steal more poo poo than the Blood Ravens. He shows up in the Space Marine battle book The Gildar Rift, he tries to steal a Silver Skulls experiment which involves turning a strike cruiser into a giant dreadnought I thought the book was all right, nothing amazingly special and the prose was very flowery. Though the bits with Blackheart were the high mark.
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So I'm going through the back catalogue of Space Marine Battle books, and spotted Andy Hoare wrote Hunt for Voldorius. Seeing as there's not much out there with Raven Guard in it, anyone want to drop a recommendation for / dire warning against before I grab it?
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Serpentis posted:So I'm going through the back catalogue of Space Marine Battle books, and spotted Andy Hoare wrote Hunt for Voldorius. Seeing as there's not much out there with Raven Guard in it, anyone want to drop a recommendation for / dire warning against before I grab it? As bolter porn I quite enjoyed it, though I seem to remember it being focussed more on the White Scars, with some interesting plot points.
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